Marshall victim wants justice, doesn't look good for Marshall

[Locke]

CK, we don't know anything about the layout of this particular nightclub. Yes, most clubs have cameras in many areas, but it is not unreasonable to believe that this particular incident occured out of sight from the camera. To top it off, these cameras aren't exactly HD. With poor lighting conditions, things will look like a big blur. In the middle of a scuffle, it might be hard to see what exactly happens. Who knowas, maybe a big fat body guard got in the way of the camera as Marshall threw the punch.

If it happened outside of a nightclub, especially a New York nightclub, it's on camera. That's a guarantee. Your point about the quality of video may be valid, but there's no way to tell.

What I do know is that whether or not he actually punched the girl, he was involved in yet another legal issue. Once or twice, you can blame it on bad luck or coincidence. After it has happened as many times as it has, it's a pattern. Personally, I doubt he punched her. The guy has too much to lose, and he knows he is walking a fine line with suspension. More than that, someone who goes out as often as he does has to know there are cameras, especially in New York. However, there is no denying that the people he hangs out with are volatile at best, and that he consistently puts himself in bad situations. He could still get suspended, but I think it's too early in the process to be able to make an educated guess on that...

 

[Vaark]

Not saying it did or didn't happen, but regardless, this is her version of a Trip & Fall on a wet floor at Tiffany's. She'll go for the criminal conviction to set the groundwork for an easy civil suit slam dunk.

 

[SkapePhin]

If it happened outside of a nightclub, especially a New York nightclub, it's on camera. That's a guarantee. Your point about the quality of video may be valid, but there's no way to tell.

What I do know is that whether or not he actually punched the girl, he was involved in yet another legal issue. Once or twice, you can blame it on bad luck or coincidence. After it has happened as many times as it has, it's a pattern. Personally, I doubt he punched her. The guy has too much to lose, and he knows he is walking a fine line with suspension. More than that, someone who goes out as often as he does has to know there are cameras, especially in New York. However, there is no denying that the people he hangs out with are volatile at best, and that he consistently puts himself in bad situations. He could still get suspended, but I think it's too early in the process to be able to make an educated guess on that...

But thats the problem, Brandon Marshall does not stop to think about the consequences to his actions. He explodes. He has a serious disorder, and that disorder makes him impulsive, explosive and violent. BM might understand that he is walking on thin ice, but when he is in the moment, that doesn't even enter the equation. He simply acts and reacts.

Who knows if he actually punched her, but I have no doubts he escalated the situation in some way.

 

[ckparrothead]

If it happened outside of a nightclub, especially a New York nightclub, it's on camera. That's a guarantee. Your point about the quality of video may be valid, but there's no way to tell.

What I do know is that whether or not he actually punched the girl, he was involved in yet another legal issue. Once or twice, you can blame it on bad luck or coincidence. After it has happened as many times as it has, it's a pattern. Personally, I doubt he punched her. The guy has too much to lose, and he knows he is walking a fine line with suspension. More than that, someone who goes out as often as he does has to know there are cameras, especially in New York. However, there is no denying that the people he hangs out with are volatile at best, and that he consistently puts himself in bad situations. He could still get suspended, but I think it's too early in the process to be able to make an educated guess on that...

Yup agree with this completely. Keep going to night clubs, even if you're smooth and think you're OK cuz your wife is with you, you're going to keep getting targeted and you're going to keep getting in trouble. Earlier in the thread when someone said that they imagine if a bottle fell off a shelf and hit someone in the eye, and Brandon Marshall is in the room, they're going to claim he did it...that's not far off the mark. Fights happen at night clubs and even if Brandon is just standing around, it gives people an excuse to claim he did something and then sue, hoping for a settlement.

 

[dreday]

Not saying it did or didn't happen, but regardless, this is her version of a Trip & Fall on a wet floor at Tiffany's. She'll go for the criminal conviction to set the groundwork for an easy civil suit slam dunk.

[video=youtube;AEEPVGtwsO8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEEPVGtwsO8[/video]

 

[DudeleBroski]

The dude didn't wanna pay his cab fare he definitely isn't gonna want to pay this San Diego state grad.

 

[hoops]

i smell a money grab...she'll get paid and go away

 

[flynryan15]

More likely the girl tripped, Marshall tried to catch her and her face bounced off his hands! Look close there might have been a goal line around the incident.

 

[Locke]

But thats the problem, Brandon Marshall does not stop to think about the consequences to his actions. He explodes. He has a serious disorder, and that disorder makes him impulsive, explosive and violent. BM might understand that he is walking on thin ice, but when he is in the moment, that doesn't even enter the equation. He simply acts and reacts.

Who knows if he actually punched her, but I have no doubts he escalated the situation in some way.

Borderline Personality Disorder has absolutely nothing to do with impulsiveness, explosiveness, or violence. Borderline Personality Disorder effects how you interact with people and how histrionic you are with those interactions. You can have Borderline and be completely unimpulsive, calm, and non-violent. You described personality traits, not a personality disorder. I'm a clinical psychologist and deal with these people regularly. His disorder is absolutely the reason he has so many conflicts with people, but to blame physical altercations on it would be erroneous. Blaming this entire thing on his disorder is a cop out. Without knowing all the details, that would be my professional assessment, if anyone were to ever ask me...

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I believe her story, and that it will be increasingly apparent that it's accurate.

Nobody screams civil suit in the early stages. A criminal verdict or settlement, or even publicized criminal scrutiny without enough evidence to go forward, increases the potential for civil relief.

Cameras are a non-issue in a case like this. Clubs invariably focus cameras on two places -- employees in the bar area who may be ripping them off, and on entrances to verify to police and authorities that IDs were checked when appropriate. That issue, beyond any other, gets night clubs in legal trouble.

If the incident happened outside the immediate scope of an entrance, it's likely not on camera.

Besides, cameras are insanely overrated. The establishments want it that way, as a deterrent. Movies like Oceans 11 have applied a bizarre sophistication to surveillance equipment that doesn't threaten reality. I have friends who are undercover detectives in Las Vegas casinos who chortle over the impressions left by movies like that. Day to day those roaming guys are asked to check out situations that turn out to be completely harmless but the cameras believed to be sinister. Years after Oceans 11 made Las Vegas casinos look like impenetrable fortresses with cameras everywhere, a couple of hooded guys jumped over the desk at the Treasure Island cage and made out with a major score, scampering out the front door and onto the Strip. The cage didn't even have bars.

If you want an accurate appraisal of cameras in a situation like this, take your impression of presence/effectiveness and divide by at least 10.

 

[SkapePhin]

Borderline Personality Disorder has absolutely nothing to do with impulsiveness, explosiveness, or violence. Borderline Personality Disorder effects how you interact with people and how histrionic you are with those interactions. You can have Borderline and be completely unimpulsive, calm, and non-violent. You described personality traits, not a personality disorder. I'm a clinical psychologist and deal with these people regularly. His disorder is absolutely the reason he has so many conflicts with people, but to blame physical altercations on it would be erroneous. Blaming this entire thing on his disorder is a cop out. Without knowing all the details, that would be my professional assessment, if anyone were to ever ask me...

I appreciate your insight, but from many things I have read, impulsivity is common in people with BPD.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/symptoms-of-borderline-personality-disorder/

The main feature of borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a pervasive pattern of instability in interpersonal relationships, self-image and emotions. People with borderline personality disorder are also usually very impulsive.

A person with this disorder will also often exhibit impulsive behaviors and have a majority of the following symptoms:

Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment
A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation
Identity disturbance, such as a significant and persistent unstable self-image or sense of self
Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating)
Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior
Emotional instability due to significant reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)
Chronic feelings of emptiness
Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)
Transient, stress-related paranoid thoughts or severe dissociative symptoms

 

[flynryan15]

I believe her story, and that it will be increasingly apparent that it's accurate.

Nobody screams civil suit in the early stages. A criminal verdict or settlement, or even publicized criminal scrutiny without enough evidence to go forward, increases the potential for civil relief.

Cameras are a non-issue in a case like this. Clubs invariably focus cameras on two places -- employees in the bar area who may be ripping them off, and on entrances to verify to police and authorities that IDs were checked when appropriate. That issue, beyond any other, gets night clubs in legal trouble.

If the incident happened outside the immediate scope of an entrance, it's likely not on camera.

Besides, cameras are insanely overrated. The establishments want it that way, as a deterrent. Movies like Oceans 11 have applied a bizarre sophistication to surveillance equipment that doesn't threaten reality. I have friends who are undercover detectives in Las Vegas casinos who chortle over the impressions left by movies like that. Day to day those roaming guys are asked to check out situations that turn out to be completely harmless but the cameras believed to be sinister. Years after Oceans 11 made Las Vegas casinos look like impenetrable fortresses with cameras everywhere, a couple of hooded guys jumped over the desk at the cage and made out with a major score, scampering out the front door and onto the Strip. The cage didn't even have bars.

If you want an accurate appraisal of cameras in a situation like this, take your impression of presence/effectiveness and divide by at least 10.

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No the alcohol beverage commision could careless about your camera on the door, especially since it won't show the age present on the id. Cameras are there to prevent theft and liabilty, with the increased violence in and around the vacinity of night clubs both the owners and the city have cameras outside. I see you are from Vegas well I can promise you every bit of the strip is on camera, this happened in Manhatten not east podunktown there is great security there.

 

[MarshallFin1]

Those clubs have cameras on the outside too. Especially the outside, as a matter of fact.

I'm supposed to be impressed she's a college graduate and former basketball player? She's between jobs, she's all lawyered up, and she's already bringing everything out into the court of public appeals. She's aiming for a civil suit I don't care what that lawyer says about their plans "at this point". LOL.

U dont know where they were outside, clubs have camera in the front entrance but not too far out so u dont know if they had cameras there where they were. It said they were on there way "out" meaning they most likely werent near the entrance of the club. Why is it always about money with you ppl?: the girl got slugged by a grown man as strong as marshall, she probably has no vision at all right now from the eye, give the girl a break and stop talkin about money for once in a situation like this, ffs.

 

[Locke]

I appreciate your insight, but from many things I have read, impulsivity is common in people with BPD.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/symptoms-of-borderline-personality-disorder/

Usually, but not always. They can also be very clever schemers, which doesn't really mesh well with being impulsive. It really comes down to the individual. I agree with you, Marshall has always come off as impulsive to me. However, if he is receiving therapy for his disorder, I can pretty much guarantee that the major theme they are working on is having him slow down and think things through. More or less, it looks we are generally in agreement and just debating some specifics.

I would be surprised if Marshall himself punched anyone. I think he may have been involved in a verbal altercation that ended with her getting hit by someone, but it probably wasn't him. Knowing his temper, I'd say with confidence that he was most likely involved in a shouting match or something. His name wouldn't get thrown into it if he wasn't involved in one way or another. I just doubt he did the punching himself...

 

[Vertical Limit]

Don't really care for all the Marshall supporters out here, why isn't Calvin Johnson, Fitzgerald, Andre getting these type of issues? Oh that's right, because they never put themselves in that position.