MERGED: Dwight Freeney Please!!

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Should Ireland look into Freeney as a free agent signing?

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  2. No

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  1. Jimi

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    Ok I hate these "sign newly cut player threads," but now we have a chance to get a guy who fits our scheme perfectly, fills a major weakness and still can play at an elite level situationally. I cant think of a better scenario then having Freeney and Wake on the outsides with Vernon rotating in.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. houtz

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    Do it!
     
  3. DolphinCurry

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    Freeney is not the ideal fit. He's actually almost a clone of Wake, the ideal fit would be a bigger, stronger, can set the edge, can also pancake offensive lineman against the run type guy who is also fast and tall and can rush the passer with speed as well as strength when if needed, e.g. Aldon Smith in San Fran type. Frreney is fast and smallish almost a pure speed and movement pass rusher. He would be a good low risk pick up however.
     
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    Aldon Smith plays in a 3-4. Dwight Freeney would be coming home to a 4-3.

    Not sure how i feel about him on the Fins, but Soliai and Odrick in the middle with Freeney and Wake coming off the edge COULD wreak serious havoc.
     
  5. uk_dolfan

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    People must think we have unlimited money. spend a fortune on a DE sure, but forget a WR/CB etc
     
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    Miami's not a team that should sign players with one year, maybe two, left in the tank.
     
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  8. DolphinCurry

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    I defintely agree, he could, you're right. I also think defensive co-ordinators sometimes prefer to have one apple and one orange however to give them more scheme flexibility, instead of two apples. Makes them harder to prepare against. A la Michael Strahan/Usi Umenyiora, Jason Taylor/Trace Armstrong, Justin Smith/Aldon Smith, or JJ Watt/Antonio Smith, those big and fast with really fast but a little smaller pairings seem to work well together and big numbers have been racked up with those combinations. Freeny's a very good apple to have though, if your gonna have two apples, especially if he's anywhere close to his old form, he's also be a great backup to Wake should anything happen to him, (hope not). I'm not sure what the latest is on where he's at with his current form. Like I said, just acquiring him is a low-risk, high-reward potential proposition.
     
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    BY ELITE LEVEL DO YOU MEAN THE 12 TACKLES HE HAD LAST SEASON OR WAS IT HIS 5 SACKS?

    Freeney...14 games....5 sacks...12 tackles
    Hughes 16 games...4 sacks...41 tackles
    Mathis 12 games....8 sacks...33 tackles

    Freeney was the third best de on his own team last season

    Yet everyone is falling in love with what Freeney USE TO BE NOT WHAT HE'S BECOME

    and at 38 in October he's just over the hill
     
  10. Dolph N.Fan

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    Dolphins have to at least consider adding Freeney. Still only 32, not much older than Wake. I'm sure Wake wouldn't mind if the Dolphins gave Freeney a 3-4 year deal.
     
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    For vet minimum with encentives he's worth a look.
     
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    Re: Dwight Freeney Please!!

    He straight up said the team should be a 1-2 players away from Superbowl. I don't think he signs with any team that didn't make playoffs last year.
     
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    This is a pretty strong draft for excellent pass rushing prospects. One of the best will fall to us at #12. Before I'd consider a guy that used to be great I'd grab a great DE/sackmaster in the draft. It depends who falls our way. Cornerback is a big need also so that may be what we do in the first. I'd like to go offense with our second round picks. Eifert at 42 would be really fortunate. Perhaps Hopkins later in the second. In FA we have to make a splash at reciever. Wallace or Jennings but my mind is open to other options should they present themselves.
     
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    IMO Freeney and Woodson are only sub package players at this point to be brought in with the nickel defense.
     
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    I think we have to sign him just to keep him from going to NE and ruining our lives next year. He has owned Jake, that is supposing Jake is even here. I think he will go to someone else though, maybe the Giants or Falcons. Who knows. But I would love for us to get him.
     
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    Progress Stopper? Who knows.. We need sack artists! Brady's vulnerable now. I wouldn't complain if we signed Freeney to make him a little more uncomfortable in the pocket.
     
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    Antwaan Barnes played hurt last year and had a mediocre year playing few snaps. The year before he had 11 sacks as a situational pass rusher.

    Forget Freeny! He is done! Barnes is younger,cheaper, and a better pass rusher. Barnes isn't an option as a starting end or LB, but he is a great ST's player.
     
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    If he returns to form I am with you bro.
     
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    Dwight Freeney Hitting Free Agency

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2013/02/15/dwight-freeney-free-agent/1923921/

    I am posting this in the "Miami Dolphins Forum" because it has everything to do with our direction in free agency. I am not positive if this guy is going to demand an elite salary as likely his last NFL payday, but if we can sign this guy to a bargain deal, Ireland should jump all over it. We need to have a play maker on the opposite side of Wake badly, we cannot waste more of his prime years, this guy is special, and cannot take on 2-3 tackles every time the ball is snapped. In signing him, we could also focus on another position with our 1st rounder. Under these circumstances, I would take into consideration trading up for CB Dee Milliner and swapping our 12th pick with a top 8, and trading our 3a pick as well. Oh yeah, and every time I think of Freeney, I have that vivid image of him constantly thrashing and abusing Jake Long midway through last season. Good times. Thoughts?
     
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    Everything should be considered. If he can be had at a reasonable contract why not.
     
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    Yes, but only as a fallback option should we fail to re-sign Randy Starks. Sign him to a two year deal and you then draft a DE with our second 2nd round pick and you have Vernon and that 2nd rounder backing him and Wake up and you move Odrick in to replace Starks and either re-sign McDaniel to back him up or you draft another DT in the late rounds to compete with Randall. But you try to re-sign Starks "first", of course. :)
     
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  24. Dr. Phin

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    No....his production has dropped off dramatically the last two years. He is done.
     
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    First of all, 2012 was the first year in his career that he played 3-4 outside linebacker.
    Second, he had 42 sacks between 2008-2011. 8.5 sacks in 2011, one of his "drop off" years.
    Where do you get the indication that he is done?
     
  26. uk_dolfan

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    two threads on him?

    NO, no overpriced old men.
     
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    I'd be cautious. Dudes got some serious NFL mileage despite only being 32.
     
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    Always thought he was an overrated product of being on Peyton Manning's team. In his best statistical years, the Colts always had leads and opposing teams could never run the ball. He benefitted from being able to just rush the passer, never having to worry about playing stout against the run (also why Von Miller had 18.5 sacks this season...well that and playing bum teams all year). I'd pass.
     
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    If you get can him on the cheap and use him as depth, sure, but if he gets starter money, see you later.
     
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    33 years old in 3 days
     
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    If he comes cheap I'd take him as a situational player, absolutely. Think Strahan with the 07 Giants, wasn't a great player but he was a great leader and played very well on 3rd down.
     
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    Agreed. If anything, it's another player to add to the defensive line rotation. With us, that has been one of our biggest assets on defense - the ability to keep players fresh.
     
  33. Jimi

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    no im saying he was not in his natural position last year
     
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    in freeney's defense, he was put in a defensive scheme that doesnt fit him as a player... they had him playing LB in the 3-4 defense that they changed to and he is a pure 4-3 DE. Hes not like wake and can do both.
     
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    He isn't 38 nor was he born in October so....
     
  36. Dr. Phin

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    Go look at his slope. Last year he only had 5. His production over the last 4 years in sacks has gone from 13.5, 10, 8.5, and 5....if that isn't declining...then what is? The guy is over the hill....and I could care less about first year in 3-4...he does one thing...rush the passer.
     
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    Last few years Freeney has been a shadow of his former self, but will more than likely still command top DE money.....I say pass
     
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    Yea let's sign a big name, old DE to an expensive short term contract. Great.
     
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    Is there a single old player you wouldn't sign?:idk:
     
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    not happening. word is we are looking to get younger.

    Ansah or Okafor works for me in upper crust of draft aside from moore and werner.

    if Okafor at 42 its a good pick. 54 is the bomb.
     
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    Call me crazy but I would rather spend a couple 7th's on DE's Caleb Schreibeis and Mike Catapano, and sign Desmond Bryant and keep Odrick playing mostly end. Give Vernon and Shelby another shot at earning some snaps.

    I would also sign Antwaan Barnes and draft Travis Long to be pass rushing LB's. Then bring on a monster hybrid defense.
     
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    For th e right price Freeney makes alot of sense.It gives us a short term ans. opp. Wake,it allows us to address other needs at 12,buys time to see if Vernon, or Shelby are any good! Depending on who we lose in free agency this year we could end up with multiple supp. picks.If you package them up along with our first next year you have shot at J.Clowney from South Caralina instead of going after 3rd and 4th rd guys this year Hunt,Gholston,Simon,Goodman.Solidify the secondary this year Freeney makes a ton of sense
     
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    Another poster already pointed out the decline in Freeny's performance even before last year's change in defense from 4-3. If he comes cheap (I doubt it) he's worth a look. I don't want us picking up a big name and "check" the box that we're done. We need a real pass rusher to go with Wake and at best he is a short term answer and at worst a time-wasting illusion.

    He was a great player but I'd pass.
     
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    Lol at people thinking Freeney would take a minimum contract, he's a future hall of famer who can still play at a high level who's also not that old. At 32, he's only a year older than Wake and look at how much he makes, now I don't think it'll take a huge DEAL to entice Freeney to come to Miami but we must be fair and offering Freeney the vet minimum is just an insult. We're not the Miami Heat guys, we can't make people take less money than they're worth.
     
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    Where'd you get 38 from? He is 2 days away from 33.
     
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    imo i think freeney would be the ideal fit opp side of wake and would be nightmares for an offence ,Freeney isnt the most power house guy at his poss , but with the quickness and the power he dose have would make it very hard for teams to play miami , so i say sign him up at the right price.
     
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    I say yes, but has to be at the right price, a player with two to three years left we can't overspend for.
     
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    Agree. He is a luxury if we were 1-2 players away. I also don't want another 30+ end which in 1-2 years will require us to replace both. I am for drafting a DE with a 2nd or 3rd, or getting a veteran minimum player in FA.
     
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    One of the few positions where the 2013 draft looks stocked is defensive end. With Miami having so many picks and Wake already 30 years old, the smart move would be to find Wake's eventual replacement to play opposite him.

    I'm a big Freeney fan (and Colts fan, yes even though I love Miami), but the only way i'd sign him is if it was cheap with incentives, and I don't see Freeney agreeing to that, let alone for a team not likely to go far into the playoffs. And as another poster noted, Freeney's specialty, which is rushing the quarterback with a lead in likely passing situations, may not be taken advantage of very often in Miami. I don't question his speed or skills. It's simply a matter of is it worth what we are paying for them?

    I'd much rather see us make our big money splash on offensive free agents **cough**cough** wide receivers. Give Tanny some targets. Re-sign Starks and retain our stout defensive line. Fill in other holes (secondary, pass rusher, etc) in the draft.
     
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    Draft our Wr's! Forget the free agent guys imho, they are overpriced band aids. Like paying 100,000 for a Honda Civic. Decent car but I'm still paying 100,000 for it.
    Patterson/Hunter are the guys to truly build our wr corps into something special.

    I rather use that Jennings/Wallace money on someone like Freeney. Draft/build our wr's. It's important to help Tannehill in his development imho.
    Even if we have to sign a stop gap pass rusher like Freeney this year, I much much rather do this.
    I don't want to shortchange on our wr's anymore. I can't take another year of that ****.
     

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