Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Nublar7, Jun 22, 2005.
Fox Sports: Second-year player spotlight for 2005
IF Bell could stay healthy he is a good player and can work his way into a starting role and deffinately contribute.
It certainly would be Nice to see Carey get Molded into something.
If Vernon Carey can get to be a close to productive as Larry Allen our running game should be looking good.
that wont happen larry allen is awesome carey will do mediocere and yerimaha bell will be good he just needs time
Blurb on Carey and Bell
Maybe it's been posted.... article on impact of second year players...
great post...backed by so much evidence in addition to your crystal ball
Wow, I didn't think bell was on anyone's radar except ours. He's defintely a talent that could push for playing time if not the starting position itself. Only negative is experience, but you've got to start somewhere.
I liked Ben Watson and PK Sam when they came out for the draft.We didnt need a TE but we could have drafted PK Sam in the 6th round I believe it was.He wasnt drafted by us because the dynamic duo needed players who could help imediately and Sam is very raw and will take some time to develp.
I am not convinced by Carey.I wouldnt be surprised to see him end up on the bench again this year.
Bell has the potential to develop into a top player.
I don't understand. If he has the potential to be the next Larry Allen at guard...then why don't we put him at guard and move someone else over?
maybe u should change ur name dude couse u dont sound to much like a phinsfan. :shakeno:
So all Phin fans have to believe that all our players are/will be better than average??
I'm not sold on Carey. I've said that he can be a dominator inside. But even then, he has to get his head on straight and improve his work ethic. Otherwise he'll be an inconsistent, average player at best.
I dont understand on why we dont put Carey at guard and let him start there. LT has got to be the hardest OL position to play, and i dont know if he is tough enought to play it. But i guess we will have to see in TC.
Bell seems like a forgotten man around here, i would like to see him start over Tillman. If he can stay healthy the full year, then i do think that he will be a stud at FS.
I think his point was we have heard enough negativity from the press and jill fans we don't need to hear more, besides last year was Vernons first year and Wise didn't exactly impress last year, consequently it was his last. I think giving Carey a chance under Houck before labling him anything is more appropriate.
I think that Carey will show a lot of improvement this year. For the most part offensive lineman are not big contributors in their rookie season and they often show significant improvement in their second year.
Also, I have a lot of confidence in the coaching ability of Houck to get the best out of the o-line.
I guess logic states you would take Hudson Houcks assessment over that of the writer. Even if Carey fails at LT it sure looks like he can be a force on the interior.... if properly motivated.
If lack of motivation is a concern or continues to be an issue with some players... they will not be on the roster... or in some cases in the league.
While I am intrigued by Bell... he is not a proven productive player by any means.
When the pads go on and the real "evaluations" begin we'll know more about what we have along the o-line and DB spots. If the current roster players fail to impress there are some proven vets in FA that will need jobs.
Kinda tells you what Houck thinks of Careys ability doesn't it. If Houck thinks he can play LT then thats fine by me.
Bell is entering his 3rd year in the NFL, not his second. A scout for the phins told me this guy has all the talent, he just needs to stay healthy, which he hasn't. As for Carey, this guy obviously is a mental midget right now. But this isn't rocket science, and I predict this staff will turn him around.
My thoughts exactly. I saw Vernon as a RG this year. Personally, i will be delighted if he somehow starts at LT. Therefore we can have him and Jeno on the left side, and el cheapo's playing the right side.
Vernon at LT would be the best scenario for this team. It would give us one less major position we need to address in next years draft and enable us to possibly move McIntosh and/or StClair and free up cap space.
- Just wondering, what's Yerimiah's size?
I surely hope Carey can produce SOMEWHERE on the O-line. He cost Miami a draft pick with the questionable move up in last year's draft. I was a little skeptical about the pick then, but feel that he will be ok once this line gels. Houck should get the best out of him. I just hope Miami can find a decent LT since all of the QBs on the roster are righties and aren't exactly mobile.
He is 6'1 - 6'2 around 200 lbs. Prototypical height, weight, and speed for a FS. If he stays healthy, he can be our FS for the next 5 years. His biggest downfall is his injury problems.
Carey has been very unimpressive for a first round offensive lineman pick.
Bell won't get his chance to truly prove himself if we sign Larry >.>
I don't think many people agree with this assessment. At UM Carey was ok at G his senior year. Based on his play that year I didn't think he was worth a 1st rd pick. But the prior year at T he was dominating. RS cited his play at T as the reason they chose him. Houck now sees him at LT. I was surprised by that, but you pretty much have to defer to Houck's experience here over that of the writer.
:lol: So has Gallery.... whats your point?
Offensive lineman that come into the league and dominate from their rookie position are very rare. I wont go into explaining that he was brought in by Wanny and taught by Wise. We had a horrible oline coach last year who couldnt hit water if he jumped out of a boat. Robert Gallery was the top lineman taken, and he didnt crack the starting lineup last year.....
If you think that Carey, under Tony Wise, was going to emerge as a stud lineman then you my friend are on some good crack.
Bell has already proven himself. His main holdback is his injury concerns.
Who is Larry?
Typically it takes 2-3 years for a solid offensive lineman to develop... there are exceptions.
We have arguably the best teacher in the game for the o-line and in todays NFL that is key.
Based on the best projections available, only two franchises (Cincinnati and San Diego) figure to have the same starting line in 2005. The latest lineup projections show that 10 teams in 2005 will have at least three new offensive line starters each. Only 10 teams are projected to have fewer than two changes from their 2004 lineups. ESPN
"Let's just say," Miami Dolphins first-year coach Nick Saban said, "that I was going to do just about anything I had to do to get (Houck) here. It's a (coaching) position where I always felt it was critical to have a really top guy. And the way the league is now, with the faces on your line changing so much, it's more important than ever." ESPN
Bell is a nice prospect... he is not proven producer.
When bell played FS he was very good. He proved he COULD be a starter in the NFL if it wasnt for his injury concerns. His injuries are what is holding him back, not his skills.
Yeremiah is 6'1 200 and according to Mel Phillips has the quickest step for an DB he has ever seen. BellÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s biggest challenge is staying healthy and on the field, something he hasnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t been able to do in his two seasons with the team. If he can recover from his broken ankle injury look for him to compete for the FS spot unless we sign Lance Shulters which might either show Tillman is not the answer or Bell isn't at full strength or going to be counted on to start. I really liked this guy when we drafted him in 2003. We knew when we got him that he was going to be stashed away. Lets hope he can get over the injury bug!
Bell has the potential... no question.... however, he is not a proven player.
A proven NFL player is durable and can get the job done over time.
Injuries have taken Bells opportunity to become a proven player.
Yea, I've been thinking the same thing for a while now...his shift to left tackle seems a bit radical for me and he seems like such a natural fit for guard...then again, if this is Hudson Houck's idea, then I gotta give him the benefit of the doubt.
Completely agree. I think we are both agreeing on the same exact thing only going about it differently......
When I originally said he was proven, I meant his skills were proven and that his injuries are holding him back from being a proven player..... which I cleared up in my next post. We both are agreeing on the same exact thing.... :lol:
Philter25...no worries... we are on the same page...
S Y. Bell has done nothing to prove he can start IMO....
He's been injured every year, and even when he wasn't injured, I never really saw anything that made me stand up and say he's got a chance to start on this defense. He's been a huge disappointment, and with his injury prone status, he's just too risky to take a chance on....
Everyone talks about his potential, but talk is worthless. I want results. Thus far, he's shown nothing that impresses me enough to conisder him as our starting S....
I'll watch him close at TC, but I doubt I'll see anything worth mentioning out if him. He's one of those players that provides competition, but nothing more...
what Bell were you watching last year? He had the results till he got hurt. His speed is amazing.
That's the one. You know, the one who never sees the playing field due to season ending injuries. The one who has contributed nothing since we added him. The one who everyone talks about every year, and then fades away like a fart in the wind???....You know the one I'm talking about????...
Don't get me wrong, I have high hopes for Y. Bell. But basing his past, on what to expect for the future, doesn't bode well for him. He's got potential, but so does every other player in this league. It's results that count, and waiting around for a guy to develope, after he's already been here two years, is kind of a waste IMO....
We could have signed a veteran, or any other "healthy" player with equal "potential"....
Just my opinion....
Bell according to NFL.com is 5'11" and 195lbs.
How long do you wait for someone to play a full season? I say after sitting out a year in college and 2 in the pros it's time to move on. Health is a seriuos issue!You can find healthy safeties all day with his potential.Come on!