Merged X12: Ongoing Henne vs. Sanchez Debate...

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  1. 16phinsrfast

    16phinsrfast Art Damage

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    Check out the comments, these kids/adults are friggin ridiculious. All Sanchez over there. One comment said henne would struggle Alot and another said Sanchez can take the Jets 11-5....where has football logic gone?
     
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  2. NYinBostonFin

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    Be happy we are in a discussion. The jets get more press, and I doubt most talking knew Henne was on the Dolphins or even a QB for that matter. You are looking for logic on a podcast? Relax...

    Personally, I'm happy the Miami / Jet rivalry is coming back in a big way.
     
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    Relax? First off its a general question not an overall outlloOk I was searching. Also in a debate over two rival quarterbacks a logical comparison is always nice to read aside from "henne sucks" "jets d number 1" "sanchez has this/that" just say'n
     
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    You won't find many, if any, people who would say the Dolphins had a better recieving corp than the Jets did last year. On top of that the Jets had the #1 defense and a better running game and yet with all that Henne completed a higher percentage of passes, had as many TDs in less games, threw for more yards and had less interceptions but Sun-chez is somehow the second coming. Whatever....
     
  5. eifmp

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    Hey. It's not really fair because Henne sat a year and learned behind one of the smartest QB's of all time in Chad Pennington. Mark Sanchez came in as a rookie and started. A year (or more) on the bench has does good for a lot of payers (Tom Brady, Steve Young, Brett Favre, etc). Not comparing Henne with those players, but just again pointing out the positives of sitting & learning.

    Edit: So who do you think would perform better, rookie Henne or second year Henne? If you guys started rookie Henne in 2008 would you have gone 11-5? I very much doubt it.
     
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    Just proves how delusional jets fans are :)
     
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    With the same wr's as sanchez, he would of done better his rookie year. A quarterback is only as good as his line and his wr let him be.
     
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    And cue nyjunc in 3, 2, 1.....
     
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    Is Sanchez even the third best in the division? I think not.
     
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    Just wait till they miss Jones and Washington and Faneca. We are loaded for the future and they got older.
     
  11. eifmp

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    Sanchez was the only rookie to play in the AFC east at QB last season. No slack being cut for that I guess? A second year QB who sat on the bench and learned behind a QB who was damn near a Rhodes Scholar, should be better than a rookie QB. By this logic Henne should be better than Sanchez. The fact that this is even a discussion is a loss for Henne.
     
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    If the comparisons are for the 2010 season than I feel that both quarterbacks have good weapons surroUnding them for strong offensive showings. The Q's for the Jets are the loss of jones/washington/faneca. The Q! For miami is Henne. All the pieces are there and if he fullfills than Henne has more of a chance for success years too come. Sanchez has a reciever whos as inconsistant as ted ginn in edwards. A running back who has shown hes lost alot and a huge part of the oline that can create a kink in their chain. Ill give the nod to the michagin kid whos even keel. Chad "Touchpass" henne?? Haha well find out come TC.
     
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    Sanchez got every first team snap in the preseason, Henne was thrown into his first game with no first-teram practice. No slack being cut for that?

    Clearly Pennington is better than Sanchez, and I think he's still better than Henne. I don't have a problem at all with Henne starting though.
     
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    Eifmp..... Jets have a d which in turn helps the offense. Numbers wise henne was the better QB. Miamis d making him play catch up and a senile OC didnt help Hennes cause either.
     
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    Comments aside, i loved the flip flopping Tim Graham did.

    Graham jumped on there, talking about how Sanchez is the better QB because he has more success and more experience and how he liked how he played in the championship game....though to be fair he then commented that neither Henne nor Sanchez are really anything special, just solid but never elite.

    The host Jay Soderberg came out swinging, saying Henne was clearly the better quarterback with bigger upside, tougher, a better thrower and will be a top 10 QB in the league, multiple pro-bowler, and its not really debatable.

    Graham quickly speaks up saying "oh, i agree, its how you phrase the question". When the guy writing the articles is so quick to jump sides, it might just be the people in the comments that are more logical.
     
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    No, they probably wouldn't have gone 11-5. However, don't make it sound like Sanchez was this amazing player that turned the Jets around. The Jets went 9-7 in 2008 without him and went 9-7 in 2009 with him. It isn't like he skyrocketed the team or anything. If Henne took over in 2008, he would have been taking over a 1-15 team, not a 9-7 team.
     
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    I don't think Henne vs Sanchez is even close really. I think Henne is leaps and bounds better right now. I think everyone is hyping Sanchez because of he played well in the playoffs and he's pretty raw and can be molded. Henne was also a 2nd round pick, and not 2nd overall (or 3rd or 4th or whatever Sanchez was). The two are going to be compared simply because they are young and 2nd year starters in the same division.
     
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    Generally fans are f'ing retarded. How much exposure did Sanchez get last year on ESPN? How much did Henne? Well that's typically how casual fans form their opinion.

    Jets are just the new flavor of the year.
     
  19. Joneildu

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    edit: accidental double post.
     
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    Well said! :up:
     
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    yea well i cannot wait to play the jets and knock the taste out their mouth twice this year. Henne already had one of his best games against them
     
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    whats with the new look to the forum too, its real ugly and non-dolphin like.
     
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    Yep, our team is old. We will be lucky to get one competitive year out of a team w/ old guys like sanchez, Greene, brick, Mangold, Cotch, Edwards, Holmes, Keller, Harris, Scott, revis, Cromartie,...:lol:

    Henne was "thrown in" w/ zero pressure at 0-3. Sanchez had pressure all year. I think overall henne had a better year last year BUT Sanchez stepped up when we needed him most and henne stepped back when you needed him most.

    This doesn't mean Henne won't be able to play under pressure but last year he wasn't able to. I think both QBs are going to be good based off what I saw last year.

    but he didn't take over a 1-15 team and while we were 9-7 we had a HOF QB at 9-7. Was Sanchez great? of course not but he had a good season for a rookie. I am very happy w/ our QB situation as I think you guys are. It is possible that both of our teams have solved their QB question for a while.
     
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    MARK SANCHEZ IS NO CHAD HENNE
    from The Bottlenose



    Though the NFL, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN Classic, FOX, CBS, NBC, CMT, HGTV, Spike, FX, Bravo, TBS, TNT, CSPAN, CNN, MSNBC, CBN, E!, Hallmark, PBS, QVC and Telemundo networks would have you believe otherwise, Jets Quarterback Mark Sanchez is NOT the second coming of Johnny Unitas.


    Rarely do you see such fanfare over a signal caller with passer rating of 63 and almost twice as many interceptions than touchdowns. But there he stands, a good looking fella in a very major market. A Saturday Night Live cameo already? At 23 years of age, and after one season? This guy is on the fast track.



    I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Henne will be better. Every year from now on. Better. Chad did more with less last year. No Dustin Keller with his 4.4 speed. No Braylon Edwards, with his All-Pro pedigree. Hell, did we even have a Jerricho Cotchery on our roster? Maybe Bess.


    Sanchez had a pretty nice arsenal of targets last year, yet it was Henne who notched three 300+ yard games, compared to none for Mark. Sure, Henne threw two more picks than touchdowns (12 TD, 14 INT), but at least one of those was slapped directly at the defender by Ted “Gabrielle Reece” Ginn.



    You ever go to see a crappy comedy, but they put some actually funny bloopers over the end credits? That’s Mark Sanchez’s rookie year. A nice showing in the playoffs against Indianapolis (padded by an 80-yard blown coverage against Braylon Edwards) doesn’t erase a twelve touchdown, twenty interception year.


    Starting in week five, Sanchez should have Santonio Holmes to throw to as well (assuming Holmes can keep his iPod off), and with a year under his belt, I do expect Mark to improve on his numbers. But Brandon Marshall in Miami looks to be a bigger game-changer for Henne.



    I think Chad makes the leap. He already did much more, with much less. Henne probably won’t wind up shirtless on the cover of Men’s Health, but give me Chad over that pretty boy any day of the week
     
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    What amateur wrote that garbage? what fanfare have we seen w/ sanchez?
     
  26. eifmp

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    Sorry good sir, I'm not buying that bold statement. Are you going to theorize to me that over the full 2008-2009 season Henne NEVER practiced with the first team? The NFL is a league where the backup QB is always one hit away from being in the game. Henne had to have practiced with the first team at some point during his first NFL season as he was the 2nd QB on the roster. Henne probably knew the playbook a lot better having studied it over an NFL season. Henne was probably able to watch more tape of NFL teams during his first season. He learned from one of the brightest QB's to ever play the game in Chad Pennington. He wasn't thrown into anything.

    Mark Sanchez had to learn an NFL playbook for the first time. Had to get used to his timing with the receivers. Had to adjust to the speed of the game. All this after only starting 1 year in college vs Henne's 4 years as a starter and a year as a backup learning the NFL game. So Henne has experience over Sanchez and that is why he played better. But does that mean he is the better and more talented QB of the two? No, it doesn't.

    And of course Chad is a better QB he's a 10 year vet. For goodness sakes...Joe Theismann was playing better than John Elway when Elway was a rookie (1983). Elway (famously) lined up behind a tackle(or was it a guard?) his rookie season. Doesn't mean that Theismann was more talented than Elway. Not comparing Sanchez to Elway or Pennington to Theismann. Just saying to try to be objective and keep things in perspective.
     
  27. mnphinfan

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    I didn't come up with this it was Phrozen Phish from Phinsider.com did, but this is probably the best arguement for Henne that i have seen in this debate.


     
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    Can't judge ANY QB by his first seasons...gotta let him grow into being an effective QB (although Jamarcus Russell took the wrong approach of growing into his position). Henne also had much more college experience than Sanchez. The sophomore slump is real as teams now have tape on the QB and start breaking down their tendencies.
     
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    How wasnt he able to play under pressure last year? Our offense was FINE our D is what blew us games....He didnt have any 5 INT games the way Dirty Sanchez did...and he did help bring us back "under pressure" against that awesome Jets D....Sanchez should have had a WAY better year then he did..he had weapons around him...Henne didnt...
     
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    Wait you mean the NFL playbook that requires him to turn his body and hand the ball off?
     
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    Yes, generally starting QBs practice with the first team. I don't think that's a bold statement at all. I won't downplay playing behind Pennington. I think that's huge, and certainly advantageous compared to Kellen Clemens.

    I don't really understand the point of the second and third paragraph. Henne played better. Talent is irrelevant in this context...you can be the most talented QB to ever play, but if you play like crap and throw twice as many INTs as TDs, then your talent isn't translating.

    To the people saying "Well, Sanchez stepped up in his biggest spots", you're having short term memory and only recalling the playoffs. Henne led game winning drives. He also made some huge 4th quarter and OT mistakes. The Titans game comes to mind (mostly because I was in the stands for that game), but to say that Henne shrank when he needed to step up is ignorance.
     
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    This has got to be a joke right I mean really. Henne will run circles around Sanchez. NFL NETWORK EVEN STATED HENNES THE BETTER QB
     
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    - This is the bias stuff that gets me when I read a response from you. Henne stepped in with 'zero pressure'?? Really? Would this be your 'professional' opinion on that or are you just pulling it out of thin air?

    - "BUT Sanchez stepped up when we needed him most and henne stepped back when you needed him most."


    So Sanchez "stepped up" and had games like;


    24-14win 12com 15att 80% 182yrds 1TD 0INT 139.4 Rating - Had a great game but looking at the attempts wasn't asked to do much.

    17-14win 12com 23att 52.2% 100yrds 1TD 1INT 60.1 Rating - Is this another game you would describe as he "stepped up"?

    17-30Lost 17com 30att 56.7% 257yrds 2TD 1INT 93.3 Rating - I don't want to go back and see where he got most of his yards from, if it was after the Jets were forced to pass or not, because I didn't watch the game.

    The point I am trying to make here is your defense and running game WERE the reasons the Jets won against the Bangels and the Chargers(although if there were ever a team as notorious as the Braves in baseball come post season it is the Chargers) and not Sanchez "stepping up".

    While Sanchez finished his playoffs with the best rookie stats I fail to see where he "stepped up" according to these stats that he finished with.

    It wouldn't bother me so much because I liked how Sanchez played in the playoffs but when you come on here saying Sanchez stepped up and immediately follow that up with Henne stepped back. It's that bias sentence. It's a TEAM GAME. You honestly think if the Jets made Sanchez carry the team that you would have won those two playoff games? Hell, it was BECAUSE of Sanchez that you almost didn't make the playoffs.
     
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    Thank you for this info. Maybe this will quiet the "Sanchez is better then Henne" crowd but I doubt it.
     
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    Really?

    Lets look at the stats...

    Last 5 Games

    Henne

    13NEW 22-21 29 52 335 55.8 29 2 1 80.2 1 -1 -1.0 0
    14@JACW 14-10 21 29 220 72.4 25 0 1 79.7 4 1 0.3 1
    15@TENL 27-24 (OT)29 46 349 63.0 57 1 3 66.3 2 11 5.5 0
    16HOUL 27-20 35 55 322 63.6 35 1 1 78.0 1 10 10.0 0
    17PITL 30-24 16 20 140 80.0 24 1 1 91.7 1 0 0.0 0

    Completions Att Comp Pct TD Int QB rating
    totals 130 202 64.3 5 7 79.18


    Sanchez

    12CARW 17-6 13 17 154 76.5 26 0 1 79.0 3 27 9.0 0
    13@BUFW 19-13 7 15 104 46.7 45 1 0 92.1 1 8 8.0 0
    14@TBW 26-3 Did Not Play or did not accumulate any stats.
    15ATLL 10-7 18 32 226 56.3 65 1 3 49.7 3 7 2.3 0
    16@INDW 29-15 12 19 106 63.2 16 0 0 78.0 2 0 0.0 0
    17CINW 37-0 8 16 63 50.0 14 0 0 60.2 2 2 1.0 0

    Totals Completions Att CompPct TD Int QB rating

    68 99 68.6 2 4 71.8


    So the numbers are pretty similar. How exactly did Sanchez step up? How did Henne step back?

    Here is what i do notice though. I notice that Henne was let loose, free to throw it all over the place. Yes he made mistakes but you live and you learn (hopefully) while Sanchez was some what protected. We can both agree (or at least the logical NFL fans) that at the time Sanchez had weapons unlike Henne. So we will see what happens this year.
     
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    Great post, and might also be worth noting that Henne tied(or broke?) a franchise record(set by that...whats his name...Marino guy?) for consecutive completed passes against Jacksonville.
     
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    Others have thrown out the numbers, and in the past ive jumped on the fact that our defense gave up 84 combined points during the last 3 games(and we were still within a field goal/touchdown of tieing or winning those games), as well as debating the "no pressure" thing while driving a team in a 3 game hole to playoff contention.

    So ill just ask this: instead of the 1st ranked defense the Jets were the 22nd, and you lost Thomas Jones and Alan Faneca halfway through the season as well, during that time, as Nick Mangold playing injured or out of games: does Mark Sanchez win 5 games last year?

    Keep those factors in mind, for a second question ill ask this: lets say the jets don't trade for Edwards, and Cotchery is a rookie: does Mark Sanchez win 2 games?

    Trying to figure out how to ask about having to start 2 rookie corners seemed like to much of a hassle, but you get the jist.
    Despite all those factors mentioned above(and many more), Henne was 7-6 as a starter, while Sanchez was 8-7. Very compairable, but you have to admit that Henne and the phins would have stood a damn good chance against the Colts and Bengals second/third stringers.
     
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    This thread has gotten pretty quiet huh? Seems like there might be too much ACTUAL information here in Henne's favor and isn't making the Sanchize look too hot. But I am sure there is a reason the Jets fans are staying away right now.

    Well, Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers out there!!!
     
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    Give me chad any day of the week personally
     
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    You know I think they both have ability for sure. From what I saw last year it seemed that Henne was able to overcome making mistakes better last year. Sometimes it seemed when sanchez started to have a bad game it went from bad to worse very quickly. With that said he was a rookie and did not really have any solid veteren mentor on the team. At this point in time both of their futures look bright but I would say I think Henne has the advantage. Of course I am a little biased.
     
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    haha cremember junc is in the "sports" business so his professional opinions are correct
     
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    and he went to the world series so we definitely know he knows what he is talking about
     
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    Your first paragraph: See that's my point...Sanchez was never behind Kellen Clemens, or anyone else, to learn anything at the NFL level. I also noticed how you mentioned about Henne not practicing with the first team (which I'm sure he did), but you didn't reference the other points of my previous rebuttal. About Henne studying the playbook, studying video, getting used to the speed of an NFL game all of those things over a complete NFL season: All advantages he had over Sanchez.

    Your second paragraph: I think you DO understand the difference between playing better and having more talent. All the aforementioned advantages I stated in the paragraph above gave Henne and advantage going into his first NFL game that Sanchez never had. A rookie at the QB position in the NFL can be very talented. But that talent doesn't always translate in that rookie season for many reasons. Maybe his eyes have yet to register complex NFL defenses a 2nd year QB might have studied previously. That has nothing to do with talent. The game might be too fast for the rookie QB and it takes time and experience to get used to that. That has nothing to do with talent either. Or, it could be that the rookie QB just made some bad decisions, reads, and maybe some miscalculations. So when a rookie QB throws twice as many touchdowns as interceptions it might not always be the talent (or lack thereof), that person can turn out to be Jamarcus Russell or John Elway; both of whom threw at least twice as many INT as TD's in their rookie seasons.

    My point is Sanchez can be terrible, average, above average, or even great, but one rookie season doesn't give the whole story. And if anybody thinks that it does tell the whole story, please elaborate. I mean, Dolphins fans are comparing him to a QB who sat and learned for an entire NFL season. The fact that you're even doing this means the battle is closer that it should be, even if Henne has the (slight) nod at the moment (not after next season though).
     
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    sanchez is to henne, as o'brien is to marino. this will be sorted out in another year or two. i think obrien started a probowl around 86, only to crash and burn like all other jet turds soon thereafter. wont matter though, as sanchez's "playmaker" moves hopping around the pocket are going to get him killed or left with brain damage.
     
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    henne is way better, sanchez is rex grossman just wait
     
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    This is an excellent point that can't be overlooked. I cannot remember the game, in which Henne really screwed up. He threw a really bad pick late in the game, but overcame that with composure to lead the team to a win. That shows mental toughness and fortitude. In my opinion, that's stepping up. Conversely, Sanchez, wilted after making mistakes, and later had to be coddled and protected to limit his mistakes.
     
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    zackmandude63 Poconos Phinatic!

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    What are thier head-to-head records again? Thanks!
     
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    sanchez played 1 year in college, and henne had a bunch. why are we even arguing this. cant compare them yet.
     
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    Who cares about 300 yd games? b./c Henne was ineffective early in games and had to throw a million times that makes him better?

    If Sanchez had as many attempts as henne he would have thrown for 150 more yards.

    Again, who cares about # of games w/ 20 completions? Henne's last 2 20 comp games? both losses in the 2 biggest games of the year for Miami.

    # of TD passes in the 4th qtr of a win? So it's Sanchez's fault that our D blew a lead against Miami in Miami and that we gave up 3 non-opffensive Tds to Miami at home? OR that we ran for a TD in the 4th qtr? This is so silly.

    Henne is 7-6 and Sanchez 10-8, 10-8 looks a hell of alot better when you consider he's 2-1 in the playoffs w/ both wins being road wins.

    In Miami's 3 most impoprtant games- Henne 0-3
    In NYJ's 3 most important games- Sanchez 2-1


    Sanchez was a ROOKIE, it's not good for rookies to throw 30-40+ times a game. Henne had a year to learna nd came in w/ NO pressure w/ the team 0-3 already. Once he faced pressure in dec he played his worst football while Sanchez played his best in our biggest games.

    The team was 0-3 and the season was just about done. he came in as a backup aftre the starter got hurt w/ the team at 0-3, he didn't face any real pressure to win until Decemer when they controlled their own desitny to get into the playoffs- how did that work out?


    You are talking about ME being biased and throwing out sill stats?

    Go watch those 3 playoff games and then tell me what you think. He was 12-15 but if not for 2 big drops would have been 14-15 w/ another TD and about 60+ more yds.

    In SD his #s weren't good but he made 2-3 HUGE plays that helped us win the game. W/o those plays we don't win.

    So you can criticize him in a win b/c he didn't have enough yards but when he has yards in a loss you have to check when he got those yards? :lol2:

    Shonn Greene and our D were the top reasons we made the run we did but Mark Sanchez was a major contributor. I don't think we make it that far w/ the 2008 version of Brett Favre that we had.

    You fail to see where he stepped up? he played his best football of the season in the biggest games on the road. You don't have to have 350 yds passing and 3 TDs to have a good game.

    The only bias statements are coming from yourself, b/c Henne had better #s as he was forced to throw b/c he was ineffective early in games and led them to big deficits you think he was really good in thoe games. Henne played his worst in those last 3 games, don't pay attention to those meaningless #s. He had chances to win all 3 and lost all 3(I know he left the Pitt game early but they would't have won that one either).

    when you expand the games to make your QB look better that skews the #s.

    Miami's 3 biggest games- @Ten, vs. Hou, vs. Pitt:

    80-121, 811 yds, 3 TDs, 5 INTs, 76.1 rating, 0-3 record against 3 non playoff teams

    NYJ's 3 biggest games: playoffs @ Cincy, @ SD, @ Indy

    41-68, 539 yds, 4 TDs, 2 INTs, 92.7 rating, 2-1 record

    We lost leon washington(the only pass receiving back we had) and kris Jenkins for most of the year.

    Thomas Jones was hurt and terrible the last month including the playoffs and last I checked w/ Jones effective and w/o leon he led us to the AFC Championship Game.
     
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    i really need you to explain to me how we got older at runningback and left guard. and fwiw.....greene was superior bvack than jones was last year.....and he's taking over for him. faneca was the worst strating lineman we had. his pass blocking was terrible and his run blocking was adequate at best. washington was gone most of the season and he now has to try to play with a rod in his leg. while i would have loved to have a healthy leon washington back......he may not ever be back to what he once was. i think you guys are going to be surprised by how good our running game will be. barring injuries of course. also where else exactly are we really old? the d-line is the one unit where we appear to be getting slightly old. but we have some young guys on the depth chart who ryan is pretty high on. and since ryan is the best defensive coach in the league i trust him to know what he needs. thefact that he didn't address it at all is not just an oversight on his part. he knows what he has......jenkins, who is maybe the most dominant NT in the game, went down and our defense was still number 1. and that was with revis and some scrubs at cb and a p*ssy at safety named rhodes. i can't wait to see the comments on this board when the jets go out and start playing some great football.
     

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