Miami 2nd in Total Defense...

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  1. Dolph N.Fan

    Dolph N.Fan A True Fan

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    with 1238 total yards allowed. Miami is 4th in points allowed per game (16.8) but first in total points allowed with 67. Finally, Miami is 8th in pass defense (234.0 pass ypg) and 2nd in Rush Defense (75.5 rush ypg). Yeah it's still early, and it's only 4 games but to be on pace to only give up 1208 rushing yards for the season after giving up 2247 last season is quite the turnaround.
     
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    Big improvement but let’s see how they play this weekend. Atl is far better then anyone we have played. But, our defense would probably be ranked even higher if the offense didn’t suck so bad.
     
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    Probably has to do with the fact that we've played one less game than everyone else.
     
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    Not sure how much those rankings(even the per game ones) hold up, but the D looks much better this year. Most encouraging is that young guys like Harris, Howard, Tankersly, Godchaux and Taylor look like long term prospects. Throw in McMillian and we may have a Long term D in Miami!

    Offense is fun and gives the fantasy geeks something to talk about but D is still the key to Ws.
     
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    Aha maybe it's due to the fact that we missed week one?? Either way it sounds great!
     
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    After a great performance against the Titans, I expect our defense to be jacked up to face a potent Atlanta offense.
     
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    This is a very important point. Additionally, the success the D is currently having will, at some stage, be directly impacted negatively by the ineptitude of the Offense as the season goes on - so if the Offense continues to operate at the current levels, just expect the D output to suffer as a result over time.

    On a positive note, it certainly does create some hope for the future with the number of younger players on the unit. One action I am keen to see and I would welcome it, is an extension for William Hayes - doesn't look his age at all with the way he's playing, and yes it's early in the season, but I do believe he has a great impact on the play of this unit, both run and pass, and will continue to do so, especially with the DE rotation we employ.

    One angle I'm very keen to see is when TJ McDonald is eligible to play is... do we introduce a 3 Safety, 4-2 package, as a base D in certain situations. With Jones and McDonald in the alley, you get the impact of an athletic 44 with the versatility of a bigger nickel package. Could be an interesting option to defend any teams that employ a 12 personnel Offense... hmmmmm :)

    And looking ahead, hopefully both Lippett & McMillan return in good health, then really with the above, what we're really missing is a true FS and a better Nickel.
     
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    The rankings are based on per game performance and not really effected by one less game....total points and total yards yes.
     
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    This. Most numbers are based on average per game. Clearly we have an advantage of total yards given up with 1 less game played but throw that out and look at YPG. Honestly the D looks much better than last year. Then throw in getting McDonald later on. .... Just need this O to stop looking so ****ty. I can only imagine how good it a team we would look like if Tannehill didnt get hurt.
     
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    We now have a pretty big physical Defense. Last year we couldn't stop the run and it was the obvious weakness that needed to be addressed. We added tough veteran players like William Hayes, Lawrence Timmons, Rey Maualuga and drafted Davon Godchaux to help Ndamukong Suh up front. Net effect, our Defense is a lot bigger and stronger than it has been for decades. For months we have had FH posters like SOS, absolutely ridiculing new Defensive Coordinator for having no idea how to coach the Defense, but it now appears to be the strength of the team.
    With the Offense struggles to come together, we need the strong Defense to keep opponents to low scores.
     
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    Lets talk after we play the patriots.
     
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    I fear the Falcons more than the current Pats.
     
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    Add about 225 more rush yards and 450 passing yards after next week and we will be right where we're supposed to be.
     
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    It's unfortunate that these numbers will drastically decrease as the season goes on as a product of being on the field too much because the offense sucks.
     
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    Very impressed with how the defense is performing. Burke looked lost the first few weeks but it seems he is settling in now. Also lol at everyone including myself freaking out over Charles Harris this preseason, dude can ball and we need someone to replace Wake desperately. Great pick by our FO, in fact this entire class is looking real nice.
     
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    They've been carrying this team and now they're starting to gain confidence and turnovers.

    I love how they deflect the praise and are far more interested in seeing how good they can get.

    William Hayes (kinda my new way of greeting or ending posts these days. It has supplanted all 'yours truly', 'sincerely' and 'good day' sentiments. Ex. 'William Hayes to you'...'and a fine William Hayes to you, good sir!'
     
  17. maralieus

    maralieus Lets get those balls deep!!

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    Denver just had their bye.
     
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    As well as Washington, Atlanta, New Orleans and Tampa already had their bye with Miami and they’re 11th in total defense.
     
  19. DuderinoN703

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    True. Miami is still 8th in yards per game. Those rankings will go down after this weekend.
     
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    The Falcons game will be a true test for our young for corners. Matt Ryan is a top 5 QB so I think he will be going at out young guys.
     
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    Never say never. Buffalo beat them and the Bears should have
     
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    Falcons put up 23 points in both games. Miami has 41 points in four games and that includes a defensive score.
     
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    That has been the case over the last 5 years with the Dolphins facing 460 more plays on defense than they ran on offense. Worst in NFL.
    This season it isn't as bad. 241-237. Only 4 plays difference in 4 games. But it will eventually catch up to you.
     
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    I hear ya. I was just pointing to our defense might be capable of winning but yes they do need a competent offense
     
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    I wonder where we'd be with McMillan and Lippett healthy. We still need to add pieces but the improvement is encouraging for both the players on D and Matt Burke. Finding a replacement for Suh will be high on our agenda in a year or two. Reshad Jones is improving weekly. Same goes with Charles Harris so at least we will get to our defensive highlight fix this year.

    It's a shame the offense that was expected to lead our team is so pitiful.
     
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    There is no replacement for Suh, he is a once in a generation type of talent. Probably the best DT in the history of the Dolphins, and imo one of the best DT's of all time. We will need to find more quality players at DT in the future, but finding another Suh will be next to impossible.
     
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    23 points total is enough for two teams to beat us.
     
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    maralieus Lets get those balls deep!!

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    We've typically played well against ryan and imo this defense is light years better than previous ones under philbin.
     
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    Possible sure. Never going to happen.
     
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    What could have been, if we had not lost Tannehill, or McMillan. :(
     
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    Even more impressive considering the offensive struggles.
     
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    These numbers will drastically change if the Offense doesn't give them more time to catch their breath. I suspect the O will get it together and we should be fine on D.
     
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    I guess if the team was stuck in only being capable of equaling their first 4 games performance your valuable post would be relevant.

    Pretty narrow minded to assume things won't get better.
     
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    It Miami holds Atlanta to 20 or less we may be on to something
     
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    Not once did I claim things wouldn't get better. Leave the insults to someone else.

    It'd be hard not to improve. Cutler is averaging 176.5 yards a game. Miami doesn't have a rushing TD. Their season high in yards was in their first game. Every game since they've gained less yards. They've been outscored 50-22 over their last 3 games.

    Improving upon that shouldn't be difficult. I don't see it this week though.
     

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