Miami Dolphins need to rethink roster, philosophy, coaching staff

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  1. DefensiveEnd76

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    I have said for a long time, we aren't winning a damn thing as long as Ross is owner. All he does is hire losers.
     
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    I guess that explains why the Dolphins keep drafting wide receivers, including trading up for Carroo.

    I love Parker's talent, but he has to be more productive and give more effort. Simply put, that's embarrassing.
     
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  5. DefensiveEnd76

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    Ross will probably keep Gase for the next 5 years. Even if Gase finishes 7-9 or worse in all of those years.
     
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    Ross will likely sell the team within the next few years. Old man on deaths doorstep..lol
    He made his profits for his estate, it will be time to move on.
    A new owner could not be worse.
     
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    You are a sick individual.
     
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    Ross is working on a major project called Hudson Yards in NYC.it will take years to complete and is supposed to transform the landacape of the city. His focus may be secondary when it comes to the fins.
     
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    Yep, there is talent on this team and young talent (granted it needs more). The big problem is there isn't an NFL caliber coaching staff to get them to their potential. The biggest indictment of the coaching staff is Miami is second to last in the NFL with 90 penalties and second to last with 34 pre-snap penalties. They are 30 in total plays. Seattle has the most penalties and pre-snap, but they also are second in total plays and almost 200 more than Miami. Poor attention to detail and a HC that is trying to be a HC and an OC and is failing at both. IF Gase is going to be successful he needs to surround himself with quality coaches and while he can have input on the offensive game plan and play calling he needs someone in there to do the bulk of it and take the responsibilities. If not he will be here one more season and then he will be gone.
     
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    ...and Miami Dolphins fans need to rethink supporting this sh!tfest.
     
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    That's a great statistic which really shows that we actually are the most penalized team by percentage.
    Don't forget, play calling is the ONLY thing Gase said he likes about coaching. He's not going to give that up without a huge fight. And who's going to tell him he can't call plays anymore? Ross?
     
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    Agreed. My problem is the QB/interior OL/TE are SOOOOO bad, it's hard to tell how much of everything else is as bad as it looks or just bad because of the VERY bad. For example, I watch other kick returns and see a returner with a lot of open space in front of him. Watch Miami and you'll see what looks like a defender every 2 feet. I'm not a fan of Grant, but the NFL's best returners would be pedestrian in Miami. It looks like most of the D is uninspired. Is this coaching, or have they just decided not to risk their bodies for this O? Yes, there is talent. A rebuild? Not needed. But those BAD players are killing the whole team.
     
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    If I had a dime for every time I heard the phrase "'________' could not be worse" and it is...I'd be able to buy the Dolphins myself. Pretty sure the same was said about Huizenga. Pretty sure I heard the phrase uttered last year concerning Vance Joseph. I think I heard it concerning Brandon Albert last year too. I heard that phrase so many times in the Navy it was ridiculous to the point where a new phrase was used. "Every time you think it can't get any worse....it does."
     
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    Miami needs to rethink it's fanbase as well. I mean look at us... we are pathetic. Nothing is going to change with this team until the fans are completely and utterly demoralized and new fans are raised to replace the crotchety old bastards. The mediocre record, 1-15 season, coaching carousel, scandals and QB after Qb after QB is not nearly enough to reach the bottom, now it's up to the fans and their collective rejection by the organization.
     
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    You mean like Brown' fans?
     
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    How many times must this team and organization demoralize its fans before rock bottom?
    As one of those crotchety old guys (fan since 1970) I had my fill years ago.
    Other than 2 seasons of false hope, this team has sucked since 2003.
    Yea...the younger fans have not lived through the losing. With this owner, it will not be long until they have their fill..
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New DVOA ratings looks at how <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Jaguars</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RavensFlock?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#RavensFlock</a> are challenging to be best pass defense in DVOA history, while <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Raiders</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dolphins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Dolphins</a> may be worst pass defenses in DVOA history. <a href="https://t.co/SS0Fe9SiUV">https://t.co/SS0Fe9SiUV</a></p>&mdash; Football Outsiders (@fboutsiders) <a href="">November 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
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    And what have I been harping on with regard to pass defense since nearly the start of the season?

    Again this is why Tannehill's presence would've been futile, at least in terms of producing a season at least as good as last year's.
     
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    Don't worry. Next year this lesson is going to be learned-- the hard way.
     
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    Based on this season and what's reasonable in terms of improvement for this team from this season to the next (including Tannehill's return), I'd predict a record between 6-10 and 8-8 next year.
     
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    My own personal feeling is that they should trade any player over the age of 28 who has trade value, including RT and Suh for reasonable compensation, IF possible. Dump/trade any players that aren’t playing up to their contracts.
    Stock up on as many draft picks between 2nd-5th rounds with these trades.
    Target one of the top QBs and attempt to draft him, even if it means trading up.
    I have to think that Gase and the FO have someone in mind.
    Start with a new QB and a young, hungry team. They have several young building blocks already.
    Half fixes rarely work.
     
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    I agree with all of that, only I would substitute the drafting of a QB with the signing of Kirk Cousins.

    With Cousins you have a sure thing -- a QB who has performed at a very high level over an extended period. With a draft pick you have a relative uncertainty at too important a position.

    If Cousins wasn't available I'd agree with you completely.
     
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    I'd love it if that happened, but . . . there's no way in hell that it's happening.

    Not to mention you're not going to be getting a "reasonable" return on a good, but not great, QB whose coming off two major knee injuries and hasn't played since early December of 2016. And I don't think any team is chomping at the bit to take on that Suh contract either.
     
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    Cousins will only be available for a ridiculous price that he is not worth, Tannehill is a much better value and under a fair contract for years to come.

    Washington isn't having a great year (again), and here are some facts before the year even started:

    Kirk Cousins’ starting record: 19-21-1

    Cousins’ record against teams with 9+ wins: 2-11

    Teams with 8+ wins: 5-13

    Cousins is a nice player, but no where near as great as he thinks, and struggles in big games against good teams.

    With his ego, I could see him pricing himself out of Washington, so us signing him makes no sense at all.

     
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    These three links suggest that Washington's won-loss record during Cousins's tenure is due to reasons other than Cousins:

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2016
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2015

    Those statistics account for the strength of opposing defenses in determining quarterbacks' ratings. And note where Cousins fell in comparison to Tannehill in 2015 and 2016.
     
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    Statistically Cousins is a great QB, but he struggles in big games against stiff competition, even Redskins fans know that.

    Tannehill hasn't had too many big games in his career either, but I still think he is a better QB than Cousins because he is more talented and typically less turnover prone (which is why we beat them in week 1 a few years ago).

    Cousins has a tendency to throw game killing picks against good teams, for example in this game below at the 5:40 mark in the youtube video, I don't think Tannehill makes this horrible game killing throw...

     
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    I get what you are saying, but, without the full offseason past us, you cant predict a record for next year. So many injuries mounted up, what about the return of Lippett, McMillan, growth from Godchaux, Tank, Howard, Harris. Add in some more talent/youth at all levels of the D and there is no reason it can't improve.

    Then factor in, hopefully, a revamped OL, and the offense will be better in better shape - defense on the field less, in theory.

    So I'm gonna say 8-8 to 11-5. Why not?







    ...well the why not is probably tannenbaum.
     
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    Like it.
    In my world I would do the following:

    1-New "D" coordinator, someone who is proven, preferably a press/man along w blitzes philosophy
    2-New O-Line Coach, again a proven guy would be nice
    3-Cut Kiko & Timmons
    4- Cut Pouncey, James, let Bushrod walk (retire)
    5-Rework Williams or cut
    6-Cut Grant
    7-Cut J.Thomas (today preferablly)
    8-Figure out Suh salary situation. Can't have him at $28 million/year
    9-Cut Branch
    10-Trade Parker
    11-Sign or tag Laundry

    Draft:
    1st - Priority would be to trade down and get as many picks as possible. Draft "Sam" LBer, OG, RB, WR, TE
    2nd - Should be able to get the best Center in the second round. Maybe have another second from a Parker trade-thus drafting one of the 5 needs mentioned in the 1st that haven't been addressed
    3rd and the rest of draft BPA and/or needs
    *** In the draft they always need to take a CB and DT at some point throughout***

    Then and only will we be onto something. Should we stay pat, another similar season could be repeated....
     
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    stop hiring cheap coaches,
     
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    3. Kiko wont be cut, that would cost them $13m against the cap next year. Timmons could be but still going to cost them $2.7m unless he is a post June 1 cut.

    4. Pouncey wont be cut. Gase loves him. He would be a $2m cap hit if cut him, but I could see a restructure. I would like to see him gone, but don't think that's happening. James has played the best of the O Line this year, my guess is they will sign him to a contract and he wont cost $9m next year. Bushrod is only signed through this year.

    9. Cutting Branch gives them an $11m salary hit, not happening.
     
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    F**king Tannebaum and his irresponsible contracts. Same thing he did with the Jets!!! Damn
     
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    I'll never understand why Ross allows Baum to go in a hidden office, pick players while getting no advice, dole out contracts with no advice, and trade players like JA without input from ANYone. Yup, it's all Baum's fault. He signed JT, Cutler, and Larsen just so Gase couldn't complain much.
     
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    I forsee the same thing. The issues with Miami starts at the top. The owner is balless and has no spine. I wish that I was a billion and the owner. I would fire everyone. TannenBUM first! But, Gase and TannenBUM will be with Miami for at least the next 5 years and will always be mediocre.
     
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    I think the big nickel thing has gone out the window. Tj McDonald hasn’t sniffed the role.

    Basically played a full time safety. Miami may be like many teams that only would go to it if lb attrition left them dire like Pittsburgh did with william gay the other night.

    Doesn’t seem like it’s a package we will employ which also means hybrid types need not apply
     
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    Don't have the time or inclination to dig up all the old posts about our team not locking up players before they peaked and then not being able to keep them. Now, it's look, we locked them up early and they suck.

    Since that covers all the bases, its clear that our FO (who have issues) simply can't win.
     
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    I’m really digging the Cousins idea.
     
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    Been begging for this to happen for years.
     

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