Miami Dolphins offense headed toward an overhaul

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  1. Jerrysanders

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    This^
     
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    8285B756-ACA4-4E17-841C-8F0B212CA919.jpeg This should be the first move!;)
     
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    So basically you saying you want a new GM because only an outsider coming in would shake things up this much
     
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    And fricken Asiata can't even present a challenge at guard. He must really stink since our guards flat out suck.
     
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    The cuts are basically obvious. The trades more unlikely but it's not like it's hard to see these guys don't have much role and are limited in what they give us consistency wise. Stills is absolutely a #3 wr in this offense.

    If you do nothing else other than cut the dead weight get tannehill back. We wouldn't be here if he was. The o wouldn't be scoring at any 10 point clip.

    I'm counting the days.
     
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    adam gase is nothing more than your average nfl coach/coordinator. he is doing NOTHING to get results from this offense. im really disappointed. i thought we might finally have something. but hes being stubborn and showing, like most coaches, he knows 1 system and must get players that can execute what he knows and is unable to adapt and get the most out of his personnel. next.
     
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    Dolphins gonna Dolphin. It doesn't matter the owner, HC, coordinators, or players. Since the Shula days, we are a lost wandering entity always searching for a new beginning every other year. Amazing.
     
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    here, i'll tell you whats going to happen, as if you all dont already know.

    cutler will continue to suck, we will be 3-8 following a primetime annihilation by Carolina when moore finally gets the starting job. he will lead us to a surprise win vs the Bucs and an unlikely sweep of the Bills to give us a 6-10 record and the 9th overall pick. There will be much clamor that we should draft a QB or trade down and draft a guard later in the 1st, or the MLB that we've been dreaming of. We will not draft the player the majority of fans want- we will be told we aren't the experts; in 3 years that player will be out of the NFL. We will sign a couple washed up guards in free agency. Tannehill will come back with a vengeance and 2017 will be a distant memory for a while, then injuries on OL build up and well you know the rest.
     
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    I don't understand why this isn't obvious in practice? I mean there's two possibilities: 1) They know their assignments in practice and "forget about them" in games. 2) They don't know their assignments in practice but the coaches still think it's a good idea to run these plays in the game. Would be interesting to know which of the 2 it is.
     
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    One of the first things Tannenbaum did after he was given the title of VP of football operations was hand Pouncey that new deal, and trading Stills a year after he just gave him a new 4 year deal? No chance... the Landry situation is different, he could be moved with or without a new GM...but either way we need a new leader in the front office to come in and shed all these bad deals, get rid of all these players stealing money and finally fix the offensive line.
     
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    Tannenbaum was crap with the Jets and he's the same in Miami. He needs to go.
     
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    All this "WR's running the wrong route" is bullshit. WR's have option routes depending on the coverages. If they and the QB aren't seeing the same things then they aren't running the wrong route, one of the two are reading the coverage wrong so there is poor communication. It's not like - "X runs a 7 yard out" and the X runs a 15 yard post. This may be an intelligence problem with these players, or some deficiency in their situational awareness. IMO it is foolish that Gase figured he could just bring in Cutler - stick him in QB1, and think that would work. That sabotaged the team. Gase, we've figured out, is no magician. There's no rabbit in that hat.
     
  14. evo8904

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    Yup, a good coach adapts his system and game plan to the players that he has. Gase just dubs it down to WR screens and draw plays on 2nd and long. Gase won’t be fired though. He will get a pass on this season.
     
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    I don't understand how the site basically agreed we had all kinds of talent on offense to the site basically knowing all along we had no talent on offense. Seems weird!
     
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    Here is why our Offense sucks:

    We play in a box (rectangle) 50 yards wide and 8 yards deep (5 yards past the los, 3 yards behind the los.)

    It is TOO easy to defend against this.

    When we had Tanny, he could throw deep and made defenses defend against that. Without that threat, teams will sit on our run game, sit on our ridiculous bubble screens (only a matter of time before one of those goes for a pick 6) and they sit on any other bullshit route that we run short of the sticks.

    It is just entirely too easy for a team to defend BOTH the run game AND our pass game at the same time.

    Either we push the ball downfield and risk turnovers to keep D's honest, or we will get shut down every damn week.

    Yes that QB sucks. Yes, that oline sucks. But we can still air it out often enough to loosen up Defenses.
     
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    You got more chance of trading Kenny stills than you do of tbaum being fired this offseason.

    They rebuilt the d in basically one offseason and they have a built in no plan a qb in tannehill excuse which is frankly a legit one.
     
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    We have plenty of talent everywhere except the most critical of em all qb.

    Cutler has talent he's just not willing to put it on the line anymore
     
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    The needed changes in my humble opinion:

    1. Get Tannehill back under center.

    2. Finally draft a tight end in the first round and put an end to the patchwork approach to that very important position.

    3. Cut Pouncey and free up cap money.

    4. Trade Stills and replace him with a much cheaper straight-line speed guy, freeing up cap money.

    5. Sign proven players at guard and center with the freed up cap money.
     
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    Draft mark Andrews of oklahoma
     
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    You guys are gonna watch cutler play to avoid contact for as long as he's in there.

    The only way this is gonna flip is if he decides he's willing to do the things he needs to do to make plays. There has been zero indicator thru a quarter of the season that he is.

    But that's your only real chance. We aren't exposing 11 man within 8 yards of the los cause he's not willing
     
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    So many people oh here are talking about trading Stills......why.
     
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    Maybe due to having 114 yds in three games qith 1td. Poor value for 8 mil. Not his fault though but the big picture.
     
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    That's my point........this is not (necessarily) his fault. Stills is a young, fast WR with a ton of upside, to get rid of a talent like that is a mistake plus you're creating an additional hole to fill on a team with enough needs. Fix the Oline and give your QB a little time to throw the ball and things will turn around.
     
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    Sorry but this story reeks. Someone wants to shift blame to players. Gase needs to find out who and fire them. I don’t buy that suddenly none of the offense knows the playbook or how to play football. Sure there are problems but this story is rotten. Even if true it should not have been leaked.
     
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    Kenny Stills is going nowhere, 1) because of the financial implications and 2) because of he's just too good a player and still young.

    If he's with us in 2018, his cap number is 9.8 million. If you trade him, the cap hit would be 5.3 million. So we would have to find a replacement for Stills with a cap number of 4.5 million or less. I don't see this.
    Also, as Wanny mentioned several times, Kenny Stills is very good at tracking the ball in the air. This and his speed make him a threat when Tannehill returns next year. I know it's not a popular opinion on this site but I'd rather not sign Landry than trading away Stills.
     
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    From the story:


    The question for me in this regard is, is that rate of blown assignments by offensive players any higher than the average rate in the league? Certainly no team is perfect and blows no assignments. There has to be a league average rate of blown assignments.

    It could be the case that the Dolphins' offensive players are blowing assignments no more often than offensive players throughout the league on average, and that the quarterback play for the Dolphins simply can't compensate for it like it might on another team.

    The quarterback play is certainly well below the league average.
     
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    Panic mode, those in charge deflecting. Scheme and plan has sucked for a while hence the consistent slow starts.
     
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    I'm praying Gase wins a power struggle at the end of the year to get his buddy Peyton in here
     
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    A yellow, orange and red sunset takes hold of the sky......

    Dry mountains and rolling hills fill up the horizon.....

    A tumbleweed rolls by.....

    And one lifelong fan, bleeding his Aqua and Orange, crawls through this desert landscape.

    2 Lombardi Trophies and an Orange Bowl in his rear-view.

    The future you ask? His destination you wonder? His Destiny?

    His destiny is his present, endless and eternal wandering through this desert, with nothing but a Logo and a forgotten name......
     
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    What i this upside you speak of with stills? He's a soft vertical wr a #3 wr in every aspect in this o making high #2 money.

    I do agree though that the qb plays into the production.
     
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    Yeah and the o-line has sucked all along. In spite of that magical 8 game stretch by Tannehill (and Moore). And the fact we were a top team in big plays. At that point it was taken as fact we had the talent, just needed real coaching, and 6-8ish games to learn the offense. And Gase was the QB whispering guru who even made Jay Cutler look respectable that one year. Now its like: what can he do, his starting QB went down, can't expect any coach to have success with a backup QB. Even though its the very same Jay Cutler that Gase coached "to his best season ever."

    Very weird indeed.
     
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    It's quite simple. We need an OL, and (given RT doesn't return) a QB, and maybe some WR depth, thats it.
     
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    Behind this o-line Marino would be drinking out of a straw by the second quarter. I mean, he might already have 300 yards and a couple scores, but still...
     
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    Marino never took a lot of sacks, including the season his o-line consisted of all backups. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are the same way. Its almost as if the QB can somehow impact how many sacks he takes.
     
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    Shula always got criticized that he went for OL that could only pass block leaving Miami with no running game. The Dolphins always allowed the fewest sacks but couldn't produce a 1,000 yard rusher for years. Then Marino went down before the half in a game against the Browns and was replaced by Brock Hoard I think. The Browns sacked him 6 times in the 2nd half, almost half a year's worth of sacks in one half. It turned out that Miami's OL couldn't run block OR pass block. The low sack totals were due to the awareness of the QB, his ability to get rid of the ball in a flash and although he wasn't mobile he had the uncanny ability to make the 1st free rusher run right past him while keeping his eyes downfield.
     
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    I suspect the issue there is that it isn't the very same Jay Cutler, number one because he's older, and number two because he's made his $10M for this year, will very likely retire afterward, and therefore has no incentive to play any certain way.

    See here for evidence of how the performance of NFL quarterbacks typically declines suddenly, rather than gradually as one might expect:


    http://www.advancedfootballanalytic...rch/payroll-personnel/93-how-quarterbacks-age
     
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    Imo we have a tackle and two guards. I say kick tunsil inside, he played way better at the guard position last year. James and Asiata are still up in the air. Especially james. He's so inconsistant. But probably something g a good o line coach can fix. So invest in a center and LT. No first rounders tho
     
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    I wouldn't include Tom Brady among those QBs. He's already been sacked 16 times this year in 5 games. He's had a couple of years where he's been sacked 40+ times. Marino had a quick release and knew what the defense was doing so he got rid of the ball quickly...but Marino also threw a lot of INTs. Manning was way ahead of the defense pre-snap and he also had a quick release but because he had such a high football IQ defenses couldn't fool him and he didn't throw many picks.
     
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    1.the biggest problem on dolphins is head coach. acting like he win superbowl last yr..
    2. bring in cutler. cutler is soft. doesn't seem like he want to play football any more.
    3. dolphins know that line need og since last yr...
     

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