Miami Dolphins offense headed toward an overhaul

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  1. JTech194

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    "If the Dolphins suddenly have to spend significant resources in either draft picks or free agency to address the guard position -- which has been a trouble spot for years -- then it would prove last offseason’s thinking that guard could be addressed on the cheap was a mistake"

    WE KNEW THIS! The FO and Gase kept telling the media not to worry, they felt good about the position. Most fans knew that going into the season with one FA signing and a lower round draft pick wasn't going to be enough. Now they seem surprised that the unit is underperforming.[/QUOTE]

    I think the front office and Gase are correct in thinking that Guards can be addressed on the cheap. However, this is assuming the rest of your offense is competent. If you can't throw the ball because the QB is no good, receivers can't get open and are running the wrong routes and the TE's suck.... Your oline has to be GREAT at run blocking in order to open holes when the defense stacks the box and focuses on stopping the run.

    The problem we're having now is that the passing game is so inept that teams are focused on stopping the run and forcing us to pass and we can't take advantage of it because our WR, and QB and TE aren't performing. Why can teams like NE, Philly, NO etc.... successfully run WR screens and quick passes? Because their WR's can block and get open quickly. Ours can't and that puts added pressure on the oline.
     
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    If Gase never recruited Cutler, and stuck with Moore taking over for Tannehill's injury, we would be happy to be 2-2 but understandable with the poor offensive performance. We were sold on this Cutler experiment.
     
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    These are for the most part made up excuses by the FO. The main problem is our QB play. By all means try and revamp the o line in the offseason, trade landry if the value is good, cut that bum Thomas, and draft a qb to develop behind tannehill, but let's not act like cutler isn't the main issue. Very few teams who lose their qb in training camp have good offenses.
     
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    This forum exaggerates Oline problems. Brady is 40 and getting his *** beat and they manage more than 6 points a game. Perfect protection WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
     
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    Don't worry Ted Larsen will save us!
     
  6. datruth55

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    O-line is not playing well. Not only have they had issues pass blocking but we can't run the ball either. Ajayi averaged 4.9 ypc last year, this year he's at 3.4 ypc. Pretty significant drop.

    Brady, however, is not afraid to take a hit and deliver a pass. Cutler is moving around the pocket sometimes even when there's not pressure. He's anticipating getting him and looking at the O-line cause he's so afraid of contact. Won't go through his progressions, and throws while he's backpedaling or he'll just flat out throw it in the dirt to avoid getting hit. Tannehill took a lot of shots last year but he at least gave his receivers a chance to make a play, Cutler has no interest in getting hit to make a play. Probably a good reason he only has one playoff appearance in his career.
     
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    I think we will have a lot of flexibility to make over the offense in 2018 and address some key issues if we're simply willing to do any of the following:

    1. Cut Julius Thomas
    2. Cut Mike Pouncey
    3. Restructure Tannehill

    That should free up enough money to go diving for replacements for the interior OL. Find a credible tight end (not even a good one, just someone who is CREDIBLE) and the offense should be OK. We will need to get some insurance for Tannehill, but that should not be a bank breaker.
     
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    We should have drafted a center.
     
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    3 first round picks on this o line and we still suck
     
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    If three first round picks could erase horrible OG play then we'd still have Dallas Thomas and Billy Turner.
     
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    I was upset when we let Sims walk away. I know we tried to re-sign Sims, but they blamed it on him asking too much. When you look at the salaries now, Sims is getting $6M from Chicago, and we ended up giving $6M a year for Julius Thomas (also had to sign a blocking TE in Fasano for $2M). Who would you rather have for $6M a year? One was a complete TE, and the other is a lazy WR posing as a TE.
     
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    Same approach as when we let Lamar Miller walk and Olivier Vernon. Miller we tried to sign C.J. Anderson and ended up signing Foster (although cheaply I think) but spent a draft pick on a RB who can't do much. For Vernon we spent a ton on Mario Williams and spent a draft pick on Charles Harris who we all hope develops.

    Seems like we spend a lot in terms of resources and money to replace guys that should be part of the foundation. Hard to build a foundation when you're contently tearing it down.
     
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    I think some of these GM's get too caught up in saving cap space rather than preserving talent. Every team's goal should be to acquire talent, not cap space.
     
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    Surely you guys can see watching qb play tonight even the difference in tbe willingness of these qbs to stand in and take contact to make a play and what your qb is doing.

    Surely.

    The ball is coming out in sync with the route combos because they are willing to lay it on the line physically.

    That's the biggest problem with this offense right now
     
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    Agree sir. Jay throws the ball away or into the ground so he doesn't have to take the hit. Tonight's game was of higher quality QB's that you really enjoyed watching even though they aren't your favorite team.
     
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    The problem is Adam Philbin is in over his head. He has his system and he's sticking to it. If a matchup isn't favorable he cowers and goes into a play calling shell. It was fun watching the Eagles offense last night dictate what they were going to do with motion and up tempo. Us? Ha. "The took away the outside zone runs" "Julius didn't have favorable matchups". They're laying the excuse groundwork early this year. It CAN'T be the QB Whisperer's fault! Can't wait for the bubble screens on 3rd and 10 and the subsequent 37 yard punt by Haack Sunday.
     
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    I said last offseason they needed to draft two guards and sign one in FA. They do this for a living, and they couldn't see it. Same old story no matter who's in charge here. I refuse to take them seriously.
     
  18. evo8904

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    But Adam is the “Guru”! He will change up the 3rd and 10 bubble screens to a draw. I’m still waiting on the TE screen to Thomas.

    Looking at the schedule, we will be lucky to go 4-12.
     
  19. roy_miami

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    People were sleeping on the Eagles. Statistically they were the anti-dolphins, they should have won 10+ games last season. Their passing game was the only weak link last season, their defense, running game, and special teams were all top 10, and now Wentz is looking like the real deal. At QB they were basically in the same situation we were in when Pederson took over. But instead of settling for "but who are you going to replace him with" Bradford and his sidekick, Pederson completely overhauled the position. Very envious of what they are doing over there.
     

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