Miami Dolphins: Stop worrying about the guards

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  1. Sons Of Shula

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    Pass blocking was phenomenal? Elite? Eek.

    We significantly improved from years past, but our outside screen game was a major factor in reducing the amount of sacks and taking pressure off pass pro. Sack numbers are more a reflection of that than the actual protection itself.
     
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    This is why I wasn't worried about Guards as much as I was getting a backup center.

    Tunsil should be just fine at LT. James came on and I really like Asiata and I think he will have a legitimate chance to start this year.

    Pouncey is the question mark. Is he healthy? Idk but based on those photos of him a month ago walking with a cane it makes you ask will he be ready? I liked Steen and thought he might end up a good center but he isn't more than a backup and isn't on Pouncey's level when Pouncey is healthy.

    We have three guys billed on the roster right now as a G/C and I'm guessing Miami is going to need someone to play center.
     
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    It most certainly IS an opinion.

    I gave you the reasons why those statistics are mitigated. I agreed that it was a much appreciated improvement.

    But you're not crediting Tannehill whatsoever for his part in taking a shot and getting rid of the ball, or escaping the rush, or releasing the ball quickly or throwing the ball away. Look, statistics are useful. But in a game as full of inputs as football, they are more general indicators than isolated proof. Your opinion differs from mine.

    We both agree that the offensive line improved. I think Gase had something to do with that through his playcalling and emphasis on getting the ball out quicker ... you ignore that. I think Tannehill's growth also had something to do with that, you do not. I think having a run game helped temper the pass rush at time, you fail to address that. I think having Stills force a safety out of the box matters, you just think that it's all about one statistic. Good luck with that.
     
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    I gave more than one stat, but if you want another one the Dolphins gave up the 15th most QB hits in the NFL, but again it's completely bloated by the performance in the first 5 games. The final 11 games they were top 3 in hits allowed on the qb. Another stat the help up when Matt Moore was in there. Just like sacks Matt Moore averaged less hits against than Ryan did, so to assume Ryan eludeding pressure was the reason for this vast improvement in sacks allowed and qb hits allowed is a bit foolish. The other reason I have a hard time crediting Ryan with this turn around is he got sacked 17x in the first 5 games. If he was a whiz at eluding pressure and getting rid of the ball so quick as you are claiming that would not have happened. What did chamge was 2 o line man cut cut, and others got healthy, and we started protecting the qb. When we started protecting the qb we started winning.

    I totally agree Gase, Ryan, and Jay, all had huge parts in a drastic turn around in pass protection. The bottom line is though if you are talking about pass protection, there are a few facts that you can look at to evaluate the oline. Those facts are sacks allowed, qb pleasures, and qb hits. The final 11 games our oline were the best or among the best in all of those measurable, and they deserve credit for that. The two biggest turn arounds of 2016 was Jay and our pass protection. In the cincy and and Tenn game Ryan was getting hit every drop back. After the Tenn game Ryan was given time and he started to look like the qb we all hoped he would be since he was drafted.
     
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    There's a lot we agree on, such as the reality that the first 5 games were a learning curve and the remaining 11 games are a much better indicator. But at no time did I "assume Ryan eluding pressure was the reason for this vast improvement in sacks allowed and qb hits allowed" as you suggest. I always said that it was part of the reason why these stats in isolation were not 100% a reflection of the OL. I also explained that Gase's play calling, in particular the short passes with a high number of screens and the focus on getting the ball out quicker, were a significant part of it too. So was the fact that we manufactured a run game, as well as having an effective deep threat in Stills given teeth by hitting the deep ball. IMHO, there is no single one "the reason" explanation ... that's my entire point.

    We are in agreement that this OL was much improved over Tannehill's previous disastrous seasons. He was the most sacked QB ever for a QB's first 3 years. I can tell you there was no more vocal critic than me of Dallas Thomas, Jamil Douglas and to a certain extent Billy Turner. I cautioned Turner's lack of technique was dramatic and very possible that he would never get it where it needs to be. I was THE first and most vocal anti-Dallas Thomas voice. I went off on his draft day and led the charge to get that bad player off the roster. I also clashed with people because I was one of the few not sold on Jamil Douglas. So yeah, I was super-happy when Gase cleaned house. But that doesn't mean I'm giving the rest of the OL a free pass. I'll give praise where due ... we improved in pass protection. But calling them elite at pass protection, IMHO, is not accurate. Again ... it's just my opinion, and reasonable minds may differ.
     
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    Film will tell you far more than statistics can try to explain. I've noted before we changed our pass protection sets from vertical to dish. That was the major difference for the improvement in pass protection along with the outside screen game, and run/pass balance to reduce the overall sack numbers.
     
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    actually just saw how bad he played last two years. Wow what a drop off. I remember lots on the board wanted him 2 years ago to shore up our line.
     
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    QB pleasures...Who's pleasuring Tannehill???
     
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    If the team regresses this year, I think Grier will be on very thin ice. Seems like last year's draft was mostly Grier so the Harris and Carroo picks could be his undoing. To not even answer the phone when Atlanta called is tunnel vision.jpg
     
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    Dont care what the writter, or team for that matter say, im still worried about our oline. Do i see improvememts? Sure...but i honestly wished they would have brought in someone better than Larsen. Im not saying he will not work out, im sure Gase likes him.... but still, i would have prefered someone who has a better track record. And although i do like Asiata, im not sure if he will be ready to start at LG right away.
     

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