Miami Herald: Dolphins have their eyes on Zack Martin

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  1. jim1

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    Although the Dolphins, as one scout put it, would “fall all over themselves” if Michigan’s Taylor Lewan somehow slipped to them, multiple sources in the know firmly believe Martin is the team’s first-round target on May 8.

    Sources say Miami has first-round grades on just five tackles: Martin, Lewan, Jake Matthews (Texas A&M), Greg Robinson (Auburn) and Ja’Wuan James (Tennessee).
    In their eyes, there’s a drop-off to the next level, which includes Virginia’s Morgan Moses.
    The Dolphins will not spend a first-round pick on Alabama’s Cyrus Kouandjio, whose injury red flags have the team concerned.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/04/26/4082782/miami-dolphins-have-their-eyes.html

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    Personally, I think that Kouandjio is one heck of a RT prospect if his knee in fact checks out, worthy of a #19 pick. Interesting tidbit about Ja'Wuan James, who to me seems a solid, efficient but unspectacular RT. Gotta give credit where credit is due, CK Parrot was the first I saw to tout James and mention that he's a better prospect than his teammate Richardson, good call.
     
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    Zack Martin is the real deal........ should be there too
     
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    I am not convinced he will be...I would put it at 50/50 right now.
     
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    I also don't see him being there at 19th. And I will hate if we have to move up to get him.
     
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    Don't see him slipping past the Giants, let alone the Steelers or Ravens.
     
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    I hope we don't like him as a RT. 308 is light for a RT, and it'll show in pass pro.
     
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    The way I see it is this draft will go one of three ways and the dolphins are actually in a good position no matter how it shakes out at the top.

    1. Only Bortles is taken in the top 18 at QB. This will cause all the lineman to get picked over early, leaving us with no good RT solution at 19. The good news in this scenario is those 3 qbs are great bait for a trade back, possibly netting us another 2nd.

    2. A run on qbs in the top ten drops a ton of talent into the teens causing Martin and possibly Lewan to fall in our laps. We would need Carr to join the top 3 qbs, but it's entirely possible. Bridgewater may actually be our hardest hurdle, I'm banking on jaxs doing something stupid and taking him off the board.

    3. The qbs go but the teams value linemen over the skill position early and we once again are left with none. We would have our pick of some pretty amazing talent though.
     
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    I think that if anything it's an OT being too heavy that shows in pass pro, especially when they're up against fast and quick DE's/OLB's that are 50 lbs. or so lighter than they are. Martin has very food feet and slides/mirrors well, he's just a good football player.
     
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    In the news, Miami really like Taylor Lewan and Zack Martin. In other news, water is wet.
     
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    It's not all about speed and quickness in pass pro. If you can't anchor or have to overcompensate to anchor, you're in trouble. 308 isn't impossible, but it's not ideal. Fluker did a very good job at RT, and people questioned his quickness. Meanwhile, the much more athletic Eric Fisher had very real struggles. Fisher weighed in at 306, and Fluker weighed in at 339. Joeckel also struggled (306). Even Lane Johnson (303) struggled early, but he's a guy with elite athleticism. Almost all of the top RT's in the NFL are 320+.
     
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    That is sooooo true and funny!
     
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    They won't take him as a RT. At least not long term. Depending on what they do they could play him there for a year. But long term they have to be thinking guard. Like you mentioned.. 308 and short arms.. he's gonna struggle to anchor. Even tho he does a great job keeping his hands inside, and his hands are very strong.
     
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    If Miami likes him as an All Pro LG like you do, I can understand it at 19. I'm not there on him, and I won't be before the draft. That said, it makes a lot more sense to me than hoping he can play RT. He is very slick moving to the 2nd level.
     
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    I was going to preface the article with a comment about how obvious the title was, knowing that at least one poster would have to comment on it, couldn't resist themselves. Sure enough...
     
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    Short term right tackle unless they find something that surprises them in the draft to handle it more suited as a right tackle only long term left guard...but provides the position versatility that this unit desperately needs...

    I'm not worried about his strength at tackle he turns people with leverage and strength in the run game as much as any tackle not named Greg Robinson yeah he's a little light but his technique is so good and he has plus Feet where I think he can make up for being a little light...plus I think he can play at 315 over the long term...

    Clean as a whistle off the field 52 collegiate starts locker room leader and high character...exactly what Miami is looking for durability high character leadership

    What team can't use a Logan mankins like player with more core and functional strength coming out
     
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    I don't buy this at all. He's 6-4.5, 308 lbs and his arms are all of one inch shorter than the 6-7 Taylor Lewan. Martin anchors very well, well enough to be a top OG candidate, and has some very good feet, quickness and reflexes. His value imo is more as a RT who can play LT if Albert goes down, and then as a guy who can play as an excellent OG depending on how the draft goes.
     
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    What's your grade on him? What don't you like with a projection at guard, besides lack of snaps there?
     
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    Miami likes everybody apparently tell the press
     
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    The dolphins have their eyes on Martin? So do another 8 teams that are drafting ahead of us. He'll be gone imo.
     
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    Martin will be okay at RT and outstanding at OG.
     
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    I really like Martin's versatility. I think he can play both guard and RT, but I'm curious to hear how others think he stacks up against Su'a-Filo purely as a guard. I don't think that Martin spends his whole career at RT. Even if he starts out at T, I think he eventually kicks inside, so I think when looking at him it's best to measure him against the next best guard prospect which is Su'a-Filo hands down. Thoughts on the comparing the two?
     
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    I read where Zack Martin has top position flexibility and while a good tackle, he would make a top Guard and that will likely be where he ends up playing in the NFL. Su'a-Filo is also best suited to a Guard role. Frankly I'm happy with either. Both sound like they are beyond reproach, excellent character guys in the locker room and have good work ethics. It sounds like Martin is a little more powerful than XSF and has better knee bend, but Xavier has top class lateral movement and is a more naturally athletic. The mock drafts now seem to consistently rate Zack a little higher than XSF, but I wouldn't trade up to get him. It sounds like there is decent depth of good O-line prospects but many teams have needs and so they could go faster than expected.
     
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    Zach can start at any OL position LT, LG, C, RG, RT. I take him.
     
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    FIFY

    He hasn't shown that he can play at every position, its just speculation. In his 52 starts he has only played LT(50) and RT(2).
     
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    Hey, thank you very much for taking the time to post the article. We all really appreciate it.
     
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    Look at Martins base versus Eric Fisher, who's 6-7 306. Martin has kind of a squarish build to him, but also the quick feet, hands and reflexes that you want in an OT. I don't see his size at 6-4.5 308 lbs as an issue at all- powerful enough to play OG, quick and athletic enough imo to play LT. My concern is who is a better value at #19, all things considered- Martin or Brandin Cooks? I don' know, but given how bad the OL was last year I'm leaning towards Martin.

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    No problem.
     
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    I am really starting to doubt Martin makes it to 19....That is why I go with Brandin Cooks and fix the O-line in rounds 2 & 3.
     

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