Miami is currently $6.6 million under the cap.

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  1. CashInFist

    CashInFist Banned Hammered

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    wpgfishfan Pro Bowler

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    It says 3.6


    Is there any advantage to be under the cap if we don't sign anyone elae??
     
  3. BennyVW

    BennyVW I'm the Man in the Box

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    HA!!!!!! Clumpy was right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And all those newspapers were wrong!
     
  4. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips Ready for Henne.

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    Ahem, Randy McMicheal...wants a new deal...Anyone seeing how that could work now...
     
  5. LarryFinFan

    LarryFinFan Left So Fla, never the Fins...

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    I'm still confused...where did the $6.6 come from ?? Or was that a typo...
     
  6. PhinsTD

    PhinsTD Phins fanatic

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    It says 3.6 million.

    How did you see 6.6?
     
  7. RAS25

    RAS25 dont act like your not impressed

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    :yes: and we should have some more cap space next year if feeley is cut and will poole will be back so howard could be gone so i think that is a big priority we need to extend mcmike
     
  8. Dudeman

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    no, Clumpy was wrong.....he even has the wrong cap limit on his page

    Clumpy does it as a hobby though, and he doesn't get paid for it, so thats cool
     
  9. Dudeman

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    phinfan2003 Perennial All-Pro

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    If we are 6.6 mil under the cap, why was everyone (experts) saying we couldn't sign Simon?
     
  11. Dudeman

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    its NOT 6.6 mil....that was a typo in the thread title
     
  12. SF Dolfan

    SF Dolfan Well-Known Member

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    I remember reading an artcile early in the offseason that there is some kind of incentive or loophole in the cap accounting by which unused cap space may be rolled over to the next year. I don't think it's done automatically, but you can file something and the difference is credited towards next years cap. It was an article in reference to the way certain teams seem to be able to sign lots of guys every year.
     
  13. Dudeman

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    thats not necessarily the case. Each year, contracts escalate, taking up more cap room. You dont just go into next year with a free 3.6 mil to spend
     
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    Actually, I just remebered what it is. There's a loophole where if you have extra cap room, say 3M, you can add some kind of escalators or unlikely to be reached incentives that bring you up to the cap limit. I guess we could say Gus get 3M for 50 TD passes or something. At the end of the year, teams get credited the unearned portion back to their next year's cap. The risk would be that you push yourself to the cap limit. I'll try to find an article.
     
  15. Fin Fan in Cali

    Fin Fan in Cali Joanne Shaw Taylor Super Donator

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    Plus you need to go into the season with a couple of million to bring in players to replace injured players throughout the year.
     
  16. ohall

    ohall A Miami Dolphins fan, not a players fan.

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    This pains me like you have no idea, here goes!

    Clumpy is the man!!!

    I feel so dirty!
     
  17. SF Dolfan

    SF Dolfan Well-Known Member

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    there's a brief mention of the loophole here at the very bottom. its actually "likely to be earned" incentives that credited back. they are couted during the current year as salary and credited back the following if not acheived. the trick is writing in likely to be earned incentives that aren't really that likely. some teams were becoming very adept at it. Minn, Philly, and a few others were supposed to be getting very good at it. If someone can find a better article, let me know. I need to be productive soon and get some work done.

    http://www.vertgame.com/sal_cap.html
     
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    Actually there is a way to do it. Philly has been doing it for years. You take a good chunk of this years cap say $3 million. You put it into easy to obtain escalators but for those that would never earn it like your LT getting an escalator for $1 million if he plays 30% of special teams that he never would.

    When he doesn't obtain that it applies back to your cap the following year so you get that little extra cap room.
     
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    Bingo! That's it. The challenge for us is that you need cap room to start with. Philly's FO is freakin amazing BTW.
     
  20. painnotpleasure

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    Damn, I got all excited thinking it was 6.6 million... change the thread title! We are currently 3.6 million under the cap for those who did not read the whole thread.
     
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    We're saving it till next year to give Brees a fat contract after we trade for him. ;)
     
  22. Ruderic

    Ruderic Fantasy Football Guru

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    And the COLTS STILL have 5 mil!
     
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    GrnMtnMan There's no school like The Old School

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    Gotta love 50 million dollar signing bonus'
     
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    Sorry, it DID say $6.6 million first...ESPN must have changed it after I posted it.
     
  25. Oregonfinfan

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    Guy sthat cap space means nothign Ronnie gets a huge bonus next year along with escalating comtracts and new signs for next years draft. In fact if I was to guess that # wont equate very well to what we at this moment are set to put out next year for players as even if feeley is still here he deffinately wont get 3 mil!
     
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    Unbelievable....How do the Eagles manage to stay about three times over that cap more than anyone else? The closest anyone gets to them is the Texans who are 4.8 million less in pocket
     
  27. WestCoastPhins

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    wierd those numbers are not the same as the ones when i first clicked the link
     
  28. PhinsTD

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    Miami is one of only four teams I believe to already be over the projected cap number for next year.

    The cap situation here is not gonna get much better until we start to use the money better and jettison some high priced veterans and replace with cheaper, younger players who can give near the same results or better. Like the Eagles and Pats do.
     
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    Dolfan73 Finally Back Home

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    can somebody tell me larry chesters cap numbers and if the cap has been adjusted since his departure?
     
  30. Dudeman

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    Its Taylor's, Thomas', Madison's, Howard's, and Mare's cap #s that are so high.
     
  31. Jaj

    Jaj What you say?

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    The Pats are almost always up against the cap...
     
  32. Philter25

    Philter25 MORE COWBELL!!!

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    Its because they have the greatest front office and cap management in the NFL. They dont overpay for players. Sam Madison and Reggie Howard make more than the ENTIRE Philly PROBOWL secondary. Makes you want to throw up huh? Reggie Howard and Sam Madison or Sheppard, Brown, Lewis and Dawkins? :lol:

    Thats like choosing a toolshed over a waterfront mansion.

    They had the ability to sign ANYONE they wanted this offseason, even with the TO trouble and Westbrook possibly holding out. Edge, Alexander, Corey Simon, you name him, ANYONE who was on the market.

    They have a great system and it works and they flat out dont overpay for players.
     
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    I read something like that when I was reading up on cap space earlier this year (with the whole Surtain situation looming).
     
  34. Nicky Napoleon

    Nicky Napoleon We'll Miss You Nubs

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    We should definately look into adding some of the likely to be earned bonus's for this year. We may be in some trouble next year and adding say a 1.5 million cushion would be a nice way to cut some of it down. On the other hand with so many people signed to 1 year deals there is no way we are already over the cap. Didnt Madison say that he would take a pay cut so he could retire a Dolphin....Time to step up bro!
     
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    That's because some of those guys are still on their rookie contracts. Trust me 1 or 2 of those boys "Will" be paid by Philly or another team.
     
  36. Nicky Napoleon

    Nicky Napoleon We'll Miss You Nubs

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    Actually I read on KFFL.com that the Eagles had started working on long term contracts for a couple of them.
     
  37. MDFINFAN

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    Well after all that I was impressed with philly's 12 mil under, this a possible SB team we're talking, with a 2 players who wanted more money ane neither one got jack..that's a tough front office and now they set to do whatever they want.
     
  38. Rich L

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    Does that mean... that if Ronnie Brown has a terrible year (hypothetically speaking) is it possible the Dolphins might have some extra cash lying around if those incentives were not achieved?!?!:confused:
     
  39. Wildbill3

    Wildbill3 Misery Loves Company Administrator Finheaven VIP

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    when you sling it you really sling it. What are you PFT website defender?:lol: Also Clumpy's numbers do not include the dead cap space, etc from these last rounds of cuts. When clumpy updates his stuff, I doubt there will be that much difference between his numbers and anyone elses.
     
  40. alopez34

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    3.6 and we could not keep ed perry?
     

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