Mock Draft Jake Long replacement

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  1. No1skewenjack

    No1skewenjack Active Member

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    Why do nearly all mock drafts have us drafting a OT when Ireland has said he will go after playmakers?

    Does this prove that they are a waste of time?

    Will Ireland really draft a OT with the 12th pick?
     
  2. Bumpus

    Bumpus Are you gonna drink that? Administrator Finheaven VIP

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    If he does, I'm jumping off a bridge. Either that, or I'm throwing him off of one.
     
  3. No1skewenjack

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    both would be quite heroic
     
  4. MARSHALL~LAW

    MARSHALL~LAW Well-Known Member

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    Im no Ireland supporter, but this years WR class isnt very good. I do not think Keenan Allen is worthy of a #12 pick. CB is an option, but should we reach for depth at CB?
     
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    All the Mocks I've seen, (about 4 or 5) seem to have us all taking Keenan Allen... I've yet to see an OT.

    however if History serves any purpose it will show you that Ireland isn't scared to take O-Lineman in the first round... Mock drafts before the start of free agency, combine and College workouts really only serves the purpose of where some guys are valued.

    I'd be all for drating an OT, but a lot and I mean A LOT of things would have to happen before the draft and during the first 11 picks for this to happen.
     
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    If Ireland drafts a damn tackle first round oh my god I think I might go to jail lol
     
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    ain't gonna happen. but i'll laugh when the chiefs draft a tackle with the 1st pick.
     
  8. Miamifinz

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    Take the BPA that isn't an offensive lineman. I do agree with you that there likely won't be a corner worth using our 12th on but heck I think we learned the value of depth in the secondary after last year.
     
  9. Strangeworld

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    That Jake long over Matt Ryan pick looks worse and worse as time goes on.

    Thanks Jeff!
     
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    We already have Jake Long's replacement. We need a replacement for RT since Martin will be our starting LT.
     
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    Hopefully RT will make us forget
     
  12. The Omen

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    We have our own Ryan now...
     
  13. insomnia411

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    This class of WRs is deep but not top heavy with top 15 talent. I personally want to address WR in FA and draft a pass rusher 12th. I'd like to see us draft skill position players with our top 3 picks and go after a lineman in the 3rd. Obviously you need to go BPA, but linemen and runningbacks I am philosophically opposed to drafting in the top 2 rounds.
     
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    While I wouldn't be surprised if this happened, obviously it wouldn't be unprecedented. My hope is that we retain Jake at a more reasonable rate and draft a tackle with one of our latter picks. PFF's stats on Martin's QB pressures has me concerned that he may not be the answer at LT.
     
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    Draft WR first (K. Allen only, unless Patterson beast it and workouts). But if this was ever a year to trade down this is the year. I wouldnt even demand much in return (even though i would want alot in return, just might not get it).

    We would be better off drafting in the high to mid 20s, especially if we thinking about a OG/OT. Double down with WR/TE in the second round. STL (Dream) or a veteran playoff team (Den/Hou/GB and etc.) who only need a piece here and there and are willing to give up the world to draft someone. (I.E. what ATL did for Julio Jones).

    Okay, that may be a pipe dream, but you get the point. No OL and Trade down. WR/TE/DE/FS/CB in rounds 2 and 3. Did not include FA
     
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    I'm surprised that none of you have mentioned that: 1) if we address WR in FA, 2) if we address Right Tackle in FA (assuming Jake is not re-signed), 3) AND the BPA at #12 is a lineman....then we should simply trade back and try to pick up an extra second or third round pick.

    If we stay at #12, then the pick has to be a playmaking DE or LB as most of you have stated, as there are no playmaking WR's/CB's/TE's (Eifert disappointed me in that Alabama game) / or Safety's worth the pick at 12.

    Edit: OK I see the guy above me just did mention trading back....I was typing this as his post came thru - but yeah, trade back if there is no other option.
     
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    Why are we drafting a LB? Why on EARTH?

    The only reason you draft a LB is if he's a pass rush specialist or a true talent like Jarvis Jones or Barkevious Mingo, who are so versatile they would easily go into 4-3 DE and rush the passer.

    Or maybe you just make Misi your situational pass rusher, while moving either of them to full time starting OLB (I likely only do this is Jarvis falls).

    Taking a guy like Allen seems like a reach. An understandable reach but a reach none the less. I'm not sure I want Dee Milliner in the top 12 either. Ireland has a lot of pressure on him, and has his work cut out for him.
     
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    if OT is the the BPA at that time in the draft, then i'd support it as long as at least 3 of our next 4 picks in rounds 2-3 are used on playmaking positions
     
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    Because nothing in Ireland's past suggests that he will actually go after playmakers.
     
  20. No1skewenjack

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    De Milner anyone?
     
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    Milliner or Rhoades would suit me just fine.

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    The only lineman I would want in the first is Warmack, and that's after a trade down in the 20's. We need a game-changing player and I think most of these WR's are second round talent. We need to sign Jennings and then go BPA if we can't trade down. That would most likely be a CB or DE, which are both needs. There will be plenty of talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The only problem is that we have probably the worst talent evaluator in the NFL!!!
     
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    I go TE or WR. Eifert may not have lit up the world against Bama. But I seen enough over the course of the season, to take him. Last year I was told if Tannehill is your man, taking him at 8 isn't a reach. Well I would think those same people would be consistent when talking about this draft. Give the young developing QB what every young QB needs, a TE.
     
  24. PeterNorth

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    Because most people who do mock drafts are mental midgets, frankly. It makes their drafts easy to fill in if they just slot need all over the place. Long potentially leaving creates a big hole in the eyes of people who aren't intimately familiar with the team so it's a quick solution. Same reason why I've seen some mocks project a DT to replace Starks in round 2 when it's obvious that they would just move Odrick inside.

    And honestly, I know people are going to hate to hear it, but Ireland wouldn't be stupid to consider taking an offensive lineman at #12. It is maddening that even after spending all the money and picks on the OL that it is still in shambles......but it is. The line play was just dreadful for most of last season. Even if they re-sign Long they still need more there.

    After re-watching some games and looking at some of the highlight videos, the horrific performance by the OL last season really stood out to me more than on first viewing. I have really warmed up to the idea of taking Chance Warmack at 12. Or even Eric Fischer. That's if they let Long walk. If they re-sign him, they should not be using premium picks to try and upgrade the other spots.

    Ireland did say the offseason would be about trying to land playmakers but that doesn't have to mean the entire draft, or even the first round pick. If they add Wallace or Jennings in FA and keep Hartline, they really don't need to spend a first rounder on someone like Keenan Allen, imo. Would it be nice? Sure, but there are other areas they really need to improve as well.

    I would be happy with Warmack or a pass rusher in round 1 and then in round 2 some combo of WR, CB, DE/LB. If Tavon Austin was still there for their first pick in R2 that would be great.
     
  25. jason_taylor

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    imo he did a fine job in college for andrew luck , he just needs time to develope at the elete level and i think he will do just fine going into next year .if Big Jake will take a discount and can play RT then im all for him coming bk but if not then soooooo long .
     
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    YOU MUST BE LOOKING AT THE WRONG MOCK DRAFTS

    http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/mock-draft-hub-2013-nfl-draft

    16 Mocks and zero offensive lineman
     
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    Walter Football has us taking a LT from Central Michigan named Eric Fisher with the 12th pick. I would just move Martin to LT and draft a tackle later to play RT, or leave Martin at RT and get a left tackle in the third round. We need receivers, tight ends, etc. I can't see us re-signing Jake Long for what he is making and think we just have to let him go. We could probably draft Kyle Long, LT Oregon (son of Howie) in the third round.
     
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    imo i think we have our LT in John Martin , if jake long wanted to come bk and play RT im for it , and he dosent have to be as quick on his feet playin RT just has to have alot of power( strength) to move the defence line for the RB to break through and lock down on DL to give Tanny enough time to throw the football .imo i think Long would be able to play RT in this part of his age ,better than he could LT .
     
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    To be honest I've been looking on Walterfootball and CBS mock drafts
     
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    Not if Matt Ryan blows yet another playoff game tommorrow. If he blows it, he will start to be talked about as the classic "cant win the big one".
     
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    the thing I noticed about Eifert vs. Bama was Milliner was covering him. A TE!!!

    He was split out often and he runs his deep routes pretty fast for a big guy. A couple of times, even though the ball didnt go his way (that QB was not good at all), he was open or he showed that he can split out and do it well. The big play Pitts made today vs. Denver for a huge first down over the middle are the same kinds of plays Eifert would make just about every game. I just think he will do well in the NFL particularly if he ends up on a team with a good QB.
     
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    I am all for getting Werner or Moore at DE. The others do not interest me at 12. I am just thinking of hitting on guys for long term studliness. Jordan is a good player, but I dont know if he would make an instant impact in the NFL his first year.

    I am good with drafting the Utah DT.

    I am good with getting Jake Joekle. I dont care what anyone says. Great Tackles need to be taken and guess what, we have a hole at Tackle.

    I am ok with getting Tyler Eifert. I know he is a stud. What diff does it make what someone thinks he should be drafted. All I care about is knowing he will be great and taking your shot. Like you did taking Tannehill, a guy who had 19 starts.

    I am ok with Milliner or Banks I guess. Havent really looked at them.

    I am ok with getting Vaccaro the safety. We need one should Clemmons not get resigned.

    I would be ok with getting Keenan Allen except a few things. I am not convinced he would be any better than a guy projected in the 3rd round and if we do get a big name WR in FA, what is the point now in taking Allen? There are going to be a slew of WR's and swope might just be a guy who comes in and contributes right away as a 4th/5th rounder.

    Alot depends on FA and who we resign IMO. Once we know that, things will come together between a couple of players at 12 we will be zeroed in on. I hope its Eifert in the end.

    Jennings, Hartline, Bess, Matthews, Bailey, Eifert, Fasano. Thats all you need IMO. Throw in some outsiders looking in in Swope, Binns, ect. and you have yourself a very very strong cast my friends.

    I dont approach the draft just looking at the talent. I look at it as pieces to a puzzle that would play well together and produce big results.
     
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    This is truely the only answer at who we should draft at 12. This draft has quite a few elite prospects at DE. You dont pass on talent over need in the first round. We need to take a DE and worry about filling needs with the rest of our picks. Personally i would love to take a DE at 12 and then trade up in the mid to late 20's if Allen or Patterson drop.
     

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