MORT: dolphins internally discussing signing Wallace AND Jennings

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  1. PhinMagic

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    Just heard on sports center live, mort said the phins are internally discussing signing both guys in FA. WOW dream come true. Let this happen......c'mon Ireland.
     
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    Both guys would be a dream come true, but I am not holding my breath on that. Just get me one of those two.
     
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    you let hartline walk i don't think this is a bad idea at all...
     
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    I don't believe this for a second. You don't hand Wallace $60 million then sign the second most expensive player at the same position on top of that. It would put you in salary cap hell.
     
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    Im down, but I dont want to be a where the Jets are in a few years.
     
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    Not a good idea. So this means we will most likely let a younger faster hartline walk for a 30 year old greg jennings who cant even get on the field? not smart. And that most likely eliminates the approach of drafting a nice red zone threat for tannehill. Tannehill needs a big body. Resign hartline. Sign wallace. Then draft patterson, hunter, or allen. Tannehill needs at least one WR target that is bigger than 6'2
     
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    If you sign Wallace you can forget a round 1 WR, we have too many other needs like CB and tackle
     
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    putting the team in cap hell by signing both is incorrect...
     
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    Jennings replaces Hartline. Draft Tavon Austin to replace Bess and all of a sudden you have a very formidable WR Corps. Nice dream.
     
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    How? Unless they sign very team friendly contracts which the Dolphins could get out of in 2/3 years if it doesn't work out. But why would they do that if other teams are looking at them as well? Tieing up 20+ million in two receivers in one off season is just too rich for me. I think Jennings will be looking at least 7-9 Million and Wallace will want 10 + if a bidding war breaks out he could get over 12. I just don't see how both can be signed whilst keeping a good salary structure. especially under a conservative GM like Irleand.
     
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    The WR does not have to come in the first round if we sign wallace. We could easily land justin hunter in the second round. Signing jennings and wallace is a huge mistake.
     
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    I've been saying this from the beginning. If you break down the numbers, it's nowhere near as far-fetched as some guys have been making it out (at least if Jennings is being anything near reasonable). And, yes, this eliminates any WR picks until at least the 3rd round. Ireland knows better than most just how much of an utter crapshoot taking a WR early in the draft can be - and this isn't exactly a draft brimming with Top 10 talent at that position.

    All you need then is Eifert or Ertz in the 2nd and we are golden.

    I've been saying from the start one area of need that's seriously gotten lost in all this offseason WR discussion is the lack of any kind of pass rush apart from Wake. That number 12 pick has Ezekiel Ansah written all over it.
     
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    Make it happen Miami.
     
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    a mistake imo is letting jeff ireland use high picks on wrs...take the guess work away from him by signing proven nfl commodities...wallace and jennings to replace hartline would be a nice haul...

    jennings for 3 or 4 years wallace for 5...
     
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    Arguably, Wallace and Hartline will only be a couple mil cheaper. I don't see Wallace getting more then 10 and Jennings around 7-8.

    I'll take 2 guys that produce TDs and let a WR that can't find the endzone but wants a reported 6.6 mil to go test the market.
     
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    Wallace and Hunter, Hopkins or Bailey works for me.

    ---------- Post added at 09:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:46 AM ----------

    Especially in this class. Not a lot of top end WR's in this draft.
     
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    you do realize that there is a very strong possibility that b/t the 20's wr brian hartlines market is in the $6 mil range right??? let him go pick up jennings for a couple mil more...hartlines never gonna give you consistent td production...roll the dice on jennings on a 3 or 4 year pact an give yourself an out in a few years...
     
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    Hartline will probably be more expensive than Jennings. Hartline is coming of a solid year with a rookie qb, and Jennings is older and barely saw the field last year. I like the idea of having Jennings in an offense he is familiar with, and then we can draft Patterson round 1. Wallace, Jennings, Bess, Patterson. NICE.
     
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    Can't believe we still have 18 days until free agency starts. :(
     
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    by the way i still burn a top 75 pick on a wr...but it's not dire that he produce right away...preferably a red zone win option and physical force
     
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    Tom Pelissero of ESPN Twin Cities "heard" at the Combine that free agent Greg Jennings is seeking $14 million a year.

    $14 million annually would make Jennings the NFL's third highest paid wide receiver behind Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. No one is going to pay that much for an injury-prone wideout entering his age-30 season. Per Pelissero, there is a "popular theory" among NFL front offices that wide receivers will "sit on the market" like inside linebackers did last year. In other words, they may price themselves out of the initial wave of free agency.

    Wow if this is true, forget it.
     
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    Yeah, Jennings is delusional if he thinks he's getting more than about 7.5 or 8 million per.
     
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    don't pay that no mind...it's bunk
     
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    One guy "heard". I don't buy it as anything more the BS or agent talk if what he "heard" is accurate.
     
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    I realise Hartline could get paid yes, but I also don't think Wallace is worth what he is asking. I would rather get Jennings and Hartline for a similar price to Wallace on his own than sign Jennings AND Wallace, I think Wallace will be massively be overpaid when all is said and done. Especially if teams like the Browns and Bengals are in for him as well.

    I don't think committing 20+ million to two receivers in one off season is a smart salary cap decision and we could live to regret it. if it wasn't the last year of his contract I dont think Ireland would consider it.
     
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    Funny how Jennings had more TDs than Hartline last year despite he "who cant even get on the field".
     
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    We won't sign both if GJ wants 14mil yr. To much for injury prone wr.
     
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    well it appears that i don't value what hartline brings to the table as much as you do...i can tell ya this though...if jennings issues are all injury related and not age related he's a TOTALLY different level than brian hartline...jennings is murder and actually gets in the end zone...it if't all injury groin issues and not all off due to age this is a no brainer
     
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    Of course they "discussed" it - they have to be diligent. But reality still says this is a fairy tale idea.
     
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    If you really think about it.. It would be very similar to signing Hartline and Wallace. Hartline is asking for maybe a mill less than what Jennings will get(7mill/yr).


    I personally wouldn't do it, but i'm not an NFL GM either..
     
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    Dont forget about Matthews developing for another year. As much as i desperately want this to happen, no way we take Patterson at 12 if we sign both of those guys. It's all gonna depend on what goes down in FA. Pass rusher can be had in FA as well....Osi can come fairly cheap and if cliff Abril doesn't want Mario Williams money, I'd give him a look.
     
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    he also had a guy by the name of aaron rodgers throwing him the rock and a whole plethora of weapons that opened the field for him to get the ball, nelson, jones, cobb, finley, i mean seriously.
     
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    they like mathews...he's in the rotation and part of the future plan...no doubt in my mind...he's also the one wr we have that can win physically and be a tough tackle...they like him...he'll be active in 2013
     
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    No i don't think Hartline is a stud or even close to a number one receiver I just think he is effective in our system. I love Greg Jennings I always have, I just think the amount of games he has missed in recent years will lower his price significantly. If you give me the choice of any free agent WR right now im taking Jennings (injury and all) over the lot, including Wallace. I just think Harltine is a nice complimentary receiver who can still get a bit more productive playing opposite someone like Jennings.

    Give me Wallace and Jennings over Hartline any day of the week, its a dream partnership an elite route runner and elite speed, I just think its too expensive thats all.
     
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    chomping at the bit bro
     
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    **** thats too much for any wr not named Calvin Johnson
     
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    well we have to be smart with the contract...and ireland probably has to come off the "i won't overpay" thing...but it's workable...i tell ya whats not smart...paying hartline $7 mil per for the return you get on the field...not smart at all
     
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    We will get a much better draft picture in 5 days. See how these DE and WR grade. I honestly dont see us going OLine in rd 1 unless they plan on addressing all skill positions through FA and later in the draft.
     
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    If he can work it then Ireland deserves a new contract and I will be delighted to be wrong, but with teams like the Browns in for Wallace.. then he will really need to want to live and play Miami if we are going to get a decent deal done.

    I agree with that about Hartline, im a big fan but I wouldn't give him a penny over 6. I think when all is said and done Hartline will sign somewhere between 4.5 - 5.5 million. 6 is too rich for me.
     
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    IF this happenes.....I say it tells you a lot about what Ross wants. This put Miami in win NOW mode. I think it can happen myself...... Add a TE early in the draft and Miami is an offensive team. I wouldn't even address defense until the 3rd round. This is an offensive game now....
     
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    If your had your choice of Milliner, Warmack, Patterson or Ansah, who do you take. With our current team, no FA signings.
     
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    if you see miami start signing guys like bush and smith to deals before free agency or jake long for that matter then you can say signing both these guys is a pipe dream...but say they lock up starks with the dt tag they sign clemons to a 1 year $3.5 mil deal and we hit free agency with everyone else...

    BUCKLE UP FELLAS...that's all i can say...this would absolutely be possible
     
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    you talking to me???
     
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    I take Warmack - our oline is a mess and this is an offensive game. An improved Offensive can win us some games. We can get by with our defense.,,,,,, It has done enough in the past we just have had no Offense.... I have some concerns about Patterson. Not that he is not a good player and has HUGE potential,,,, Just not so sure Miami is the place for him and as I said many time before I could be completely wrong just my 2 cents
     
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    At Ohio's current state income tax bracket, if Wallace signed a deal worth $10M per season, state tax would be just over 500,000K. So when people say that he will choose miami over Cleveland just because of the taxes is ludicrous. 500,000K is nothing, if they offer him $11M and we offer $10M, where do you think he's going?? Probably Cleveland since all he probably wants is money. Then again the beautiful Miami weather and women might sway Mr. Wallace just enough.

    ---------- Post added at 10:26 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:25 AM ----------

    Anyone really....
     
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    signing those two and letting hartline walk absolutely would work. jenning is *only* going to draw a couple more million than what hartline is asking for.
     
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    And move cogs to the right side? I would flat out cut him or restructure. No way is he worth $5M a year. Or extend him if you really wanna solidify the line. Martin, Warmack, Pouncey, cogs, draft pick. Dont sound too bad
     
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    Anyone down for trying to sign Vollmer at RT? Help us, weaken the pats. Then if we did draft Warmack, that would finally fix the line issues. Martin, Warmack, Pouncey, cogs, Vollmer.
     
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    This sounds to me like morts old friends at his sports agency told him to says this since we are obviously the top suiters for WRs, and they want to bring there value up.
     
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    will this even be possible to do and not be over the cap?

    it would be a dream come true, lets hope we can make it happen. not holding my breath though, and as a dolphin fan for so many years, i am so used to disappointment, so im expecting us to miss out on both, lol.

    hope i am wrong though
     

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