Mr. Ross, It Is Not Too Late. Fire That Head Coach!!!

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  1. phinking

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    Ted Wells is out there trying to convince the rest of the world that Joe Failbin was unaware of what was going on in the locker room. I do not believe that and evidently former players, and GMs don't believe him either. Armando Salgero is right when he said in his article that the job is too big for this guy (Failbin). Stephen Ross missed out on an opportunity to get very good GMs primarily because they all saw what I see. And that is that Failbin in an idiot. I am sure Dickey will be a much better GM than the last guy we had here, and Ross can still right the ship by firing the HC sometime next week. It is clear Incognito, Jerry and Martin will not be back. But I will also say this; as good as Mike Pouncey is, I hope I never see him in the NFL again. If Ross doesn't clean out the garbage he still has in this organization, I hope the Miami Dolphins get sued by all three men that were harassed. Next season is a washout anyway, Get rid of Failbin now and start bringing this franchise back to relevance.
     
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    Let me explain something to you: if you want your opinion to be taken seriously you can't act childishly, e.g., intentionally spelling the coach's name wrong to support your agenda.
     
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    You can predict it, call for it and complain when it doesn't happen, but Philbin isn't getting fired this year. If it was even possible the GM would be Nick Caserio
     
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    Cesario was the only guy we interviewed that had any kind of idea of how to turn this thing around IMO.
     
  5. OnDaChainWax

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    It is exactly too late. After all of this press you want to make more fumbling headlines? Do you think further backpedalling will be a benefit or a detriment to the organization and to us fans? Think it through.
     
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    I think firiing him would be a positive step in putting this thing to rest. The added benefit would be we may actually be something other than mediocre next year. I know money talks but free agents wont be pounding down the door to play for deer in the headlights Philbin.
     
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  8. OnDaChainWax

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    You cannot go "this coach has our support" then "no we changed our minds" if you have a history of "no we want this coach. Oops we have to keep our current coach." or recent we are offering to this gm/settling for the other. At this point, its public suicide. You think the very same media that has been killing us will give Ross credit for the move or does it make more sense that it will add gasoline to the "organization is lost" wildfire?
     
  9. DuderinoN703

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    Why would Philbin be fired?
     
  10. AllFinsAllDay

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    Because some of the fans of the Dolphins fan base are dumber than a box of rocks, that's why
     
  11. DuderinoN703

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    That doesn't answer my question. Why would Philbin be fired?
     
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    No, I do not think he should be fired. I was commenting on the sheer stupidity of some on this board which never seems to cease.
     
  13. matt11390

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    Philbin isn't going anywhere for at least 2 years unless he flubs next season with a horrible record. The Ted Wells report doesn't give enough reason to Ross to fire him. Ross wants to give Philbin and Hickey a chance to work together.
     
  14. 1972fins

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    Phibin was in charge of the locker room, he brought in the coaching staff and all of this **** was happening under his eyes.
    When does the guy on top take responsibility for what happens while he's in charge, do you need the NFL to suspend Philbin or do you deal with it yourself.
     
  15. DisturbedShifty

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    This is what I said I the VIP forum.

    I bet if you ask players that have played for some of the great head coaches, you will find that the players did things that their head coaches never found out about. I would like to think that a head coach knows every aspect of what's going on in their team but realistically that probably isn't the case. The thing is they are in charge of a lot of people. So that means they need help keeping an eye on things. When their hired help fails to inform or enforce their rules then things are going to happen that shouldn't happen.

    If you put it in a every day work place situation, a head coach is a store manager. He has assistant managers (coaches) to run things when he isn't around. The store manager relies on his is assistant managers to keep him informed and to enforce the rules he puts in place. When the assistant manager is covering up for the employees under him then the store manager thinks everything is fine because the reports from that assistant manager indicate nothing is wrong.

    Again there are times Philbin should check in at spur of the moment times, but that can't always happen. He needs to surround himself with people that are willing to enforce the integrity that he wants instilled in the team.
     
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    He knows about as much about the team/locker room as he did about game planing the last two games of the season!!
     
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    Ross is in damned if he does, damned if he doesn't scenario.

    Which would've been eliminated if he simply cleaned house hen he fired Ireland.

    Ireland is the least of the issues in this report.
     
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    Ask any player and they will tell you the players are in charge of the locker room not any coach but keep convincing yourself Philbin is to blame.


    Why would the nfl suspend Philbin?




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  19. Dolphins512

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    This is well said.
     
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    That this point the team needs to heal. Philbin will not be going anywhere.
    I want to see the team perform with a new oline, new OC, and new GM before I would make any more changes.
    In 2-3 years, if the team has not improved to division titles. You blow it up and start over.
     
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    Great post.

    However, this certainly has now got to change. Philbin needs to apply more micro management due to the situation. It may not be the right move or even the needed move but its the only move.

    As much as I defend Philbin in this matter, you have to employ some sort of maneuver to gauge your locker room. Hide behind chairs while players arent looking if thats what it demands (i exaggerate to clarify).
     
  22. SkapePhin

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    I am one of the biggest Philbin detractors around here, but it would be dumb as hell to fire him now. Ross already made his bed when he wouldn't accept Caserio's vision and tied Hickey to Philbin. Now we must all sleep on it.

    Firing Philbin now would do more harm than good


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  23. Dolphins512

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    I fully agree with you. Make whatever decisions are necessary with the players, fire the OL coach and move on.
     
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    It's funny because he put this whole thing into place. I mean seriously, he was masterful in putting this situation into place. Think about it, you couldn't have mixed all 4 of these guys together with a result like this if you tried. Ireland was truly a mastermind in that regard. :chuckle:
     
  25. OnDaChainWax

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    Completely agree on the damned if he does/doesnt point. We all killed him for swinging for the fences and horribly missing on Harbaugh but no one came to his defense pointing out how at least the guy is trying to swing for the fences. Thats one mere example but it happens to the guy in every situation. I have almost gone from an on the fence perspective to all out feeling sorry for the guy and rooting for him more than he is deserving.

    I do not agree that cleaning house wouldve eliminated anything that has been the result of such an atrociously embarrassing explosion. Those who are bias would damn Ross for not showing backbone and supporting his coach. The constant criticism of the man not being able to properly run an organization would not have lightened. Again, damned and damned no matter what.
     
  26. EvilDylan

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    Another zinger of a thread from phinking.

    Keep it up, we all love your persistence.
     
  27. finfan54

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    Its always about bashing the next guy for some so-caled fans.
     
  28. DuderinoN703

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    Are you saying he needed to wiretap players phones? How else can a person know what's going on when those with issues didn't tell him about it?
     
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    I'm still waiting for you to answer why Philbin should be fired.
     
  30. OnDaChainWax

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    Ill honestly concede that if I were a head coach, I would honestly and idiotically consider wiretapping rooms in spite of the possible consequences. Well not idiotically, right? If signs are placed alerting players that they are being recorded, does that make it legal? I believe it would.

    Trust me. Idiots will forget from time to time that they are being recorded even if they know it. My parents house had a camera on the front door when I was in high school and I was caught skipping school and bringing a hot girl home because I was too stupid to use the back door or to remember to erase the footage.
     
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    How about we ban this guy. Everything is anti philbin and he makes up stuff to fit his narrative time and time again
     
  32. Wishfishin

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    Or just use the ignore option. Works great, I'm no longer subjected to any of Gravity's posts.
     
  33. DuderinoN703

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    No idea. I assume tapping phones and recording players is illegal. I have no knowledge of that either way. My consensus is that a head coach will only know so much about his players when he's around them. I don't see Philbin going to a titty bar and hanging with these guys so how is he supposed to know about that sort of thing?
     
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    There are a small handful of these posters on here,

    I could swear they probably wear tights or something...

    They read an article, and then it's like "Presto", Magic time,

    all of a sudden whatever they just read became their opinion. :read:
     
  35. FinHopeful

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    Which former players?
     
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    Another Philbin conspiracy theory....
     
  37. FinHopeful

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    Why do you believe that free agents will not be knocking on the door? How would you expect firing Philbin to help? Philbin just hired Lazor. Lazor deserves a chance to demonstrate his skills. It is too late to fire Philbin. The organization just hired a GM that they believe is compatible with Philbin. You want to fire him. Then we need to find a coach that works well with Hickey, or we just wasted a lot of time. If you think about the organization as a whole, then some of these immediate knee jerk reaction ideas stop making sense.
     
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    he's not banned but there wont be any more threads created by him.
     
  39. Buff

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    Does your boss know every single thing that happens in your workplace? Does he kno what happen in the change room, in the meal room, on weekends when some of you and your workmates get together? Does he know about comments that you or others make about you, about others, too others, even about himself? No...Why would Philbin be any different?

    Just another hate campain.
     
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    Well said, but I believe it is worse for the head coach than your store manager. The store manager can fire an employee and replace him more easily than a GM replacing NFL talent. The pool of qualified applicants is small. Also, the NFLPA has negotiated contracts that limit the power of coaches. There a limits on hitting. I expect there are limits on how intrusive the team can be.
     
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    Thank God, I wouldn't be surprised if this was sr7 posting under a different user name.

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    Erm.. no
     
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    Firing him is only half the problem, who are you going to replace him with at this late in the game? It is much to late to fire Philbin this yr, he should be given the 3rd yr to finish what he started
     
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    Why would He (Philbin ) allow that behavior? you say many things but it has no substance. Please explain why.
     
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    Ok now if you don't believe all of the report by Wells then don't believe any of it. It was a fact finding investigation and it is what it is, deal with it, Incognito is the villain you believed that but you refuse to recognized that Phibin had no knowledge. Man you and I don't even know what's going on in our home from time to time.
     
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    We have to believe some of it because he named names. I think his attempt to absolve Philbin of any knowledge may be to protect the Dolphins in the event of a lawsuit.
     

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