My Blueprint to an Immediate Offense Rivaling New England's

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  1. AFCMiamiEast

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    If I am GM, this is my blueprint and the guide I follow to create a respectable offense in Miami. Another FinHeaven poster, JMarino, has stated in a recent thread that the reason the Patriots stretch the field so well is because of their plethora of play makers. This is obvious, but what he further states is the addition of Brandon Marshall, and what he did for Miami and Chicago. Both franchises and their fans believed Marshall alone was the key to a top offense, and this is extremely flawed. Both Miami and Chicago have little, to no play makers behind Marshall to stretch the field with. Opposing defenses had no one else to respect on the field besides Marshall, and this limited his production, as well as the offense. The Patriots for example, have proven play makers all over the field that demand the defense's attention, and leave little room for double teams. We need Miami to follow the same suit in order to knock of Brady and Belichick's Patriots. Here is how we start.

    In the 2013 NFL Draft, the Miami Dolphins trade down from their 12th pick in a trade to gain an additional 2nd rounder, sliding down to the 20-25 range. With their 1st round pick, they select Justin Hunter out of Tennessee. This kid has all the tools of an Olympic athlete, and I believe will leave an AJ Green type impact on an NFL offense in just year 2. The kid is an absolute stud, and will excel in everything the NFL combine throws at him. Everything. With the 1st round trade, we would gain our third 2nd round pick...giving us the advantage of selecting six players in the top 90 selections, an NFL best. With Miami choosing THREE times in the 2nd round, WR Robert Woods out of USC should be available with their 1st 2nd round selection. In selecting another top WR prospect in Woods, the Dolphins get a Mike Wallace type burner, and legitimate deep threat down field.

    We all know we need to go hard in adding Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe in free agency, giving us yet another PROVEN play maker on offense for Ryan Tannehill. Let's say we add Jennings as he is clearly a Philbin guy. This leaves us with an offensive line up consisting of Greg Jennings, Justin Hunter, Robert Woods, an elite slot receiver in Davone Bess, and Reggie Bush for Tannehill to throw to. Hunter and Woods are obviously un proven at an NFL level going into the draft, but look these two up and tell me they do not have tremendous upside. I am drooling over the thought of this line up for Tannehill, and everyone knows this current offensive roster is devoid of play making talent.

    The defense is solid, and has kept us in all but 2-3 games this season, all we needed was the offense to step up in its part, but it succeeded less than even 50% of the time and amounted to a total of 7 wins. The offense is the biggest issue by far, not the defense. We can line up a pass rusher opposite of Wake in the 2nd round, this is an extremely DE heavy draft and we do not have to use our 12th pick on the position. Werner will without a doubt be gone by then, however Barkevious Mingo may be on the board by our 12th pick, but racking up on picks for round 2 can prove a pass rusher of near equal upside as Mingo.

    Elite offenses like New England have Gronkowski, Hernandez, Woodhead, Welker, and Ridley that demand attention and respect from opposing defenses, and all FIVE are homerun threats if not double covered in open field. We have one player on this roster who we can boast the same about, and that is Reggie Bush to no surprise. I would have little faith in Hartline, Bess, Moore, Matthews in shaking any defender downfield for the score. That is the different between New England, and Miami on offense. Tom Brady obviously leaves tremendous impact, but it finally looks like we have our QB, and we cannot waste time in supplying him play makers. That was Marino's downfall in his ringless career, devoid of a running game. The defense is near in place, but with additions of Justin Hunter, Robert Woods, and a Greg Jennings, Tannehill would have no excuse in a failed offense. The same goes to Mike Sherman.

    Final Line-Ups:

    Miami Dolphins: Greg Jennings/Mike Wallace - Reggie Bush - Justin Hunter - Robert Woods - Davone Bess - Brian Hartline - Lamar Miller

    New England Patriots - Wes Welker - Danny Woodhead - Stevan Ridley - Rob Gronkowski - Aaron Hernandez - Deion Branch

    Thoughts?

    Edit: I did not proof read my post before submitting but have wanted to sign Jared Cook from Tennessee as my primary TE target. In free agency, Dustin Keller from the NYJ would be my close alternative. However, if somehow Zach Ertz from Stanford fell down to one of our slots in the 2nd round, I would jump on him even more so than Robert Woods, as he would likely still be around for our later 2nd round pick.
     
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    You are in luck my friend. I work for Stephen Ross. I'm going to forward this post to him. Wait by the phone son.


     
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    We're not keeping 5 legit WRs. That's stupid.
     
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    One way to score like NE is to get the sort of opportunities as NE ie. create turnovers. Who leads in turnover margin? NE. In fact 10 of the top 11 teams in to margin are in the playoffs.
     
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    I agree with this, but I would take a guy like Ertz in the 2nd, and then add Woods or Bailey, both will probably be available in our 2nd pick...or 3rd if we trade back like I hope we do. It would be my dream for Tannehill to have 2 stud rookie WR's along with a guy like Jennings..I would also keep Hartline because he consistently makes those sideline catches, and he gained 1,000 yards with all the focus on him, imagine how much easier his job will be next year.

    WR: Jennings, Hunter, Woods/Bailey, Hartline, Bess....and then we even have other guys like Matthews and Binns. Never bad to have even more weapons.

    The Patriots show the importance of using TE's....so having Ertz is yet another threat, and I wouldn't be opposed to signing a guy like Cook, Keller, or Finley as a second TE option. The offense will be unstoppable, and it will show if Tannehill is good or not. If he can't succeed with all those weapons, then he might be the problem. I have all the confidence in the world that he will become an animal when he gets those weapons.

    On top of that, we would still have Reggie Bush and Lamar Miller as passing options. I just hope we learn to use screens, because I saw various teams destroy us with it, along with quick slants.
     
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    Well for starters Tannehill has to first be as good as Brady which means he is going to have to go into legendary status.

    Baby steps first though, Tannehill needs to be comfortable throwing down the middle like Brady is.
     
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    Great post, great ideas.Personally,i grab Jennings great hands and route runner able to teach our youngsters yet contribute greatly.first rd. i pick Hunters teamate C.Patterson all the tools,speed size,,yac he is just raw with route running which is where Jennings comes in.2nd rd Ertz the t.e. from Stanford for our seam threat then in 4th or 5th R.SWOPES from Texas a-m
     
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    Like the aggressive thinking to get playmakers. IMO our FO needs to be this way. The only thing I would ad is two good TE's, one from FAand one from the draft. Then we have the WR's you suggested and upgrades for Tanney at TE ... Like NE.
     
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    Exactly. I cannot go and edit my post as I forgot the TE side of it all (an error is not letting me edit for some reason) but I agree. I was looking at stats and Fasano had 41 receptions, and not a single drop. That is the best from any TE in five years...however, he is not one with speed that can create separation downfield and this is obvious. Hopefully we can hit on an athletic, seam threat TE with one of our 2nds.

    ---------- Post added at 08:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:59 PM ----------

    Text makes it hard to understand if you're being sarcastic, or siding with the idea lol.
     
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    Hmmmm, I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure I remember Fasano dropping a crucial 3rd down ball at some point this year. Anyone else remember? Doesnt matter much, I love Fasano, dude makes some amazing grabs for someone his size. When we get a deep threat and Tanny becomes more comfortbale throwing down the middle Fasnao should do very well in Miami. He could be huge next year. Clay on the other hand looked bad pretty much all year, he made some horrible missed blocks, that got Tanny creamed, he dropped balls all year, couldn't seem to get open consistently. He may be riding the bench if we pick up a TE in the draft, which I would be shocked if they didn't do. I'm betting last pick of rd 2.
     
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    We need tight end help as well.....
     
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    This was mainly a 1st round thread, but I'd go after a TE in free agency. Jared Cook is my primary target, but Dustin Keller is an obvious alternative. I honestly don't like this draft for tight ends, Tyler Eifert doesn't even impress me all that much and he is the top rated TE.
     
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    Forget all this "teaching" bull****. I'd go after BOTH JENNINGS and WALLACE, and NOT to be teachers, either. That's why we have Coaches.

    I'd grab a proven "burner" in the Draft. But NOT in the first Round. And that would be the only Pick I'd use on a WR. My WRs (6) would be JENNINGS, WALLACE, HARTLINE, BESS, "COLLEGE BURNER", and MATTHEWS/"best of the rest" not named MARLON MOORE. Finding a "diamond in the rough" would thus also be covered w/o having to make a tough decision.

    The rest of my F/A acquisitions and players selected in the Draft would be CBs, Gs, and pass-rushers...UNLESS in the Draft, a certain MLB from ND should happen to fall to us. If so, HE is my 1st Round Pick, and I'd run a 100 M Olympic Gold Medal time up to GOODELL on the stage.
     
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    That young man from STANFORD (forgot his name) is the best TE: his only problem is that he doesn't play for the #1 ranked team in the country.
     
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    Zach Ertz is who I want as well but most will think he's a reach at 12. Maybe we trade down, get another second round pick, and pick up Ertz at 20ish? I don't know.
     
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    Look at those two lists. What is it about NE list that is different from our list??

    OMG! Where is your friggin TE!!! Fasano is a FA.
    Major fail.
     
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    I dont want someone else's garbage that will cost too much. There are good TE's in this draft early and they have to be taken in rounds 1-3. The teams who take these guys will be much better teams for doing so.
     
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    It 's my fault, I submitted before I proof read and there is an error which will not allow me to edit the post again. I'm all for signing Jared Cook from Tennessee, and Dustin Keller from you know where as an alternative in free agency. If there is a stud TE still available after "my" Robert Woods pick in the 2nd round, I'd go after him, however I do not think Ertz will be there. Although thanks for patronizing the whole thing, I appreciate it. I had no idea a tight end could possibly be involved in the receiving part of the game. We learn something new everyday. :idk:
     
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    Thts just not going to happen.we need DE and CB n TE as well as WR.
     
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    I think above everything Philbin wants smart football players, thats why I don't think Hartline is going anywhere and I think we'll either trade down or trade up to get Ertz late in the first.
     
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    yeah sorry about the harshness. I am just a homer for someone. But damn Bro!
     
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    The Pats only have one guy that is a true "playmaker" and that is Gronk. Brady makes the rest of those guys better, they should give Brady half of their pay checks.
     
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    apparently you missed Hernandez in the first game. Second game too. He made a couple of plays. That is New England. They gameplan with all there guys involved. Intriquite sets and motions where even little danny woodhead scores. Gronk tends to make the big plays but really they all do plus Gronk has been injured just about evey year for a couple games it seems.
     
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    @abnormal You can't possibly be talking about the same team...every player I named(all their starters on offense) have tremendous speed, do you think Welker and Woodhead are slow? They have huge bursts of speed which is why their YAC is so good, our current core's YAC is absolutely awful...they seem to fall after every time they catch the ball for no reason as if they lack the instinct in making the bigger play after the pass has already been completed. Brady cannot make his receivers faster, and they're all damn fast as Hernandez and Gronk display fantastic athletic ability. Go look up Robert Woods, he is a complete juke artisit and a Reggie Bush type threat in open field...hell, he seems to display incredible YAC on any area of the field period. Justin Hunter is the same kind of receiver, but more physically gifted.
     
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    Woods is a slot WR himself. He doesn't play outside in USC's offense.
     
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    I've seen the kid play and he could easily convert, he has played on the outside on many huge plays as well and is extremely elusive even in double coverage.
     
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    Why take a guys biggest strength away? He's a beast in the slot. Lot better scoring threat than Bess as well.
     
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    Nice post. Obviously the Patriots have had a lot of success during the past decade, but while everyone seems to focus on the Pat's offensive weapons, it was probably their defense that won them their three SB's between 2001 and 2006. They had players like Brushi, Vrabel, Law, Seymour, Harrison...all of those players are long gone, and the Patriots have not had a defense that has been close to what they had early in the 2000's.

    I think the Pats have been able to overcome their defensive problems against most teams because they can simply outscore most teams with their high powered hurry-up offense. I think the Pats not only are right up there in turnover differential but they also averaged about ten more plays on offense than the 2nd closest team. But they have not had as much success in big games against teams like the Giants, because they have great pass rushers, and can match up with the Pat's big weapons (Gronk, Welker, Hernandez, etc.)

    I remember in the 1980's, the Niner's West Coast offense was virtually unstoppable. Montana had Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, John Taylor, and Roger Craig running the ball. But they also had a very good defense led by Ronnie Lott. Most Superbowl winners are well balanced on offense and defense...you have exceptions like the St. Louis Rams who had the "Greatest Show on Turf" offense and a pretty average defense, and you had the Baltimore Ravens in the early 2000's with a great defense and a pretty average offense.

    I think we definitely need to add a couple top WR's and a TE, either through the draft, free agency or a combination, but we also have to add another top pass rushing DE, and some quality D-Backs, along with some better O-lineman. I think we are heading in the right direction. I just think if Belichick takes advantage of the rules by running a "hurry up" offense, than we should do likewise.

    EDIT is messed up.
     
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    I appreciate it, and a lot of people have the mindset that if we sign Jennings, Wallace, or Bowe that our offense is going to ignite as if they have completely forgotten the Brandon Marshall trade. This team NEEDS one of those 3 (Jennings IMO) AND at least three more play makers to thoroughly ignite this offense into elite, to near-elite status and I believe we can do that with the combination of Justin Hunter and Robert Woods. I am praying that Zach Ertz will be available with our second 2nd round pick but I have high doubts.
     
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    No they're not slow or untalented....Welker didn't do diddly when he was a Phin, well maybe that's an exaggeration, but his career went into overdrive when he plays with Brady, and Woodhead was cut by the Jets, and weas an unknown until he went to NE. And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Branch play in seattle for a year and didn't do anything??? I'm just saying, take those guys out of NE and away from Brady and Belichech and they are average players, except Gronk, he is a stud, that's all I'm saying. Put Bess and hartline with Brady in that system and they would look a lot better, too. Great QB's make the other players better. RT is not there yet, he needs some weapons. We even left out Julian Edelmann (sp). He stepped in for Wes and looked pretty good. Part of it is continuity too. Brady knows his system like the back of his hand, it's the only one he has ever played in, all they do is add wrinkles to it now and then. I don't follow college ball so I can't comment on Robert Woods or Justin Hunter, but if we get them, I'll be rooting for 'em to do well. Oh and regarding YAC, I think it was Marino or Fouts that said a great QB will throw the ball so the WR will not take a big hit when he catches it, you know, like not leading him with the pass into a big hit by the defender, our wr's seemed so suprised when they catch the ball they just want to get to the ground so they don't get smacked by a big hit, punk *** deion sanders calls it a "making business decision." Once our QB learns the system, and our wr's become accustomed to making plays they will hopefully start to trust that RT won't throw them into a big hit, and they will stay on their feet to get some YAC. If not our current Wr's then whoever we have when RT blossoms.

    Hopefully some of that is coherent and not just babble...
     
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    Agreed. Nice post OP, and if it happens I'll be very happy. But, I like joeylats' post even better. Cordarrelle Patterson has speed, decent size and physicality, good hands and RAC. He is raw, but once he gets the route running and offensive hot reads down, I think he will be a fantastic WR for us. While he is big, he isn't a real jump-ball type of player or a huge strike zone guy, but he is solidly built and probably can withstand the physical nature of the NFL better than most WR's.

    I think we will try to grab Swope. He is a guy that is ready right now, will take over the slot position with good routes, good hands and good RAC. He is a size and speed upgrade to Bess as well as already having chemistry with Tannehill. Although, he will probably be selected in the 3rd round, so if we wait until the 4th we'll miss him. He may not have as high of a ceiling as some of the other WR's in this draft, but he is a very good bet to be a strong slot WR and can get deep on many nickel corners.

    Ertz is what this offense lacks. Sure, we need 2 or 3 good WR's, but I'm fairly confident we're going to add 1 veteran and 2 rookies. The X factor is our TE position. Apparently Egnew was drafted to be our mismatch seam threat TE ... but he can't block and isn't a good route runner, so he's not being trusted to do the job. Tyler Eifert or Zach Ertz are immediate plug-and-play guys who are not only seam threats, but also size mismatches in the red zone. I sincerely hope we can get Eifert or Ertz as well as WR's this draft, because Fasano is neither a seam threat nor a size mismatch in the red zone. I like Fasano as a 2nd TE, but we need more from a starter.
     
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    Great idea OP! Why not go balls up on O in FA and draft. Our D can hold us afloat for another year.


    Revamp O in 1 season:

    7 Needs: 2OG, 1RT, 2WR, 1TE, 1RB

    FA: 
    WR Jennings
    OG Levitre

    1 TE Eifert
    2 WR Patterson
    2 OG Cooper
    2 OT Fluker
    3 WR Bailey
    3 WR Swopes
    4 RB Lattimore

    OL: Martin, Cooper, Pouncey, Levitre, Fluker
    WR: Jennings, hartline, Patterson, Bailey, Swopes, Matthews
    TE: eifert, Clay, Egnew
    RB: bush, miller, Gray, Lattimore
     
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    Add in a Cook or Keller at TE in FA as well..
     
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    Note: forgot to mention in the previos Post, that the mock is based On a trade down in the first, picking up anoter second in the process.
     
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    I would love to see us trade down and grab up another 2nd. I'd also love to double down in the first 2 rounds on WR and sign Jennings. He's older and injury prone but would be perfect to mentor the rookies while they develop. To be able to do this while still having two more 2nds & 3rds + $$$ to address our other needs would make for a dream offseason.
     
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    Woods is not a slot WR. He can play slot, but he's not a slot WR. Is G. Jennings a slot WR just because he lines up in the slot at times? We're not talking D. Bess here.

    Woods isn't Wallace or Bess. If he can get healthy, he can be a G. Jennings kind of WR. Obviously, Jennings didn't just become Greg Jennings overnight. For Woods to reach that level, he'll have to put in a lot of work, and it wouldn't hurt to have A. Rodgers throwing him the ball.
     
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    I agree 100% with this thread. We need to add as many playmakers as possible, our offense is boring and predicatable. Our D would instantly improve because they will be facing a better team in practice every day, and they will be able to compete more on game day due to us not always playing from behind, and forcing opposing teams to play catch up, thus instantly causing more turnovers!

    I do feel the trade down isnt as easy as we think, unless a stud slides to #12 and then we are left considering taking this stud as well! I would love to be able to stock pile picks and add more weapons on both sides of the ball!
     
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    You prove a great point as well, and I feel for the defense when they have nothing to play for late in games because I know they have confidence in themselves to get it done, however when they're on the sidelines I guarantee they cringe watching that offense attempt finishing the job. Opposing offense's playing from behind could also create more turnovers as you stated, Reshad Jones has two game closing picks because of just this against the Bengals and most recently the Bills. I would much rather we home grow a TE like Ertz if he falls to the 2nd round instead of signing Jared Cook, but I would still choose Robert Woods over Ertz with my first 2nd round selection. The kid is just a complete juke machine lol.
     
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    Until we have an O'line that can give RT more than a nano-second, doesn't much matter who his weapons are.
     

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