NFL draft order week 13

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  1. datruth55

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    1. Kansas City 2-10 SOS .505
    2. Jacksonville 2-10 SOS .552
    3. Oakland 3-9 SOS .464
    4. Philadelphia 3-9 SOS .510
    5. Carolina 3-9 SOS .516
    6. San Diego 4-8 SOS .464
    7. Cleveland 4-8 SOS .516
    8. Tennessee 4-8 SOS .536
    9. Arizona 4-8 SOS .552
    10. Detroit 4-8 SOS .563
    11. Buffalo 5-7 SOS .490
    12. New Orleans 5-7 SOS .503
    13. Miami 5-7 SOS .510
    14. Jets 5-7 SOS .516
    15. St. Louis 5-6-1 SOS .536
    16. Tampa Bay 6-6 SOS .466
    17. St. Louis (via Washington) 6-6 SOS .497
    18. Dallas 6-6 SOS .516
    19. Minnesota 6-6 SOS .531
    20. Cincinnati 7-5 SOS .453
    21. Pittsburgh 7-5 SOS .464
    22. Seattle 7-5 SOS .495
    23. Giants 7-5 SOS .513
    24. Indianapolis 8-4 SOS .469
    25. Chicago 8-4 SOS .495
    26. Green Bay 8-4 SOS .510
    27. San Francisco 8-3-1 SOS .495
    28. Denver 9-3 SOS .469
    29. Baltimore 9-3 SOS .500
    30. New England 9-3 SOS .510
    31. Atlanta 11-1 SOS .396
    32. Houston 11-1 SOS .500
     
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    lol remember when zona was 4-0
     
  3. madridfinfan

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    Never thought our picks From Indy and Chicago, especially Indys, would be hovering in the mid 20s!
     
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    We are one loss away from having the #7 pick. I want us to win out, but if we lose to SF, NE and Buf or JAX, we are going to have a really nice draft pick. Some consolation for what seems like the inevitable. Say we draft 6 or 7; a couple of teams ahead of us will take QB. We will therefore have a chance at the best player available at multiple positions. Let that be our silver lining if Henne->Short lights us up. And as much as I'm normally against the idea of trading down past elite talent (see E. Thomas, J. Odrick, K. Misi), a 6 could give us back a high 20 + high 30 + a later rounder for R. Swope if we are not absolutely in love with one of the guys available that high. My wish lest though has me wanting a superfreak DE JPP clone, if one exists, with our high 1st because we will have already signed a #1 WR in FA.

    Late-night baby bottle feeding insanity scenario:
    FA: Sign Hartline, Wallace, levitre, smith
    Draft:
    #6 overall sent to Cin for #20 + #37 + 4th


    Dolphins ammo list:
    #20 (Cin) {TE Eifert?}
    #37 (Cin) {OG Mathews?}
    #40 (ours) {that freak DE who slipped due to lack of PT, competition level etc}
    #56 (Indy) {best CB left from the SEC}
    #72 (ours) {WR Austin}
    #89 (Chi) {WR Swope}
    #105 (ours) {RT}
    #117 (Cin) {LB}


    Actually all the picks above 37 would be two slots higher as CLE and NO have their 2nd rounders forfeited.


    Now even I don't think JI could F up double pics in the first four rounds. I really hope philbin is at least partly running the show.
     
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    You want to draft Swope and Austin? We can only have so many people in the slot at once.
     
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    I just hope we come ahead of both Arizona and Buffalo in the draft order in case one of them wants to leapfrog the other to get their QB. Would be a good trade down for us. If we can get one more 2nd rounder, we can have a great draft.
     
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    as of now we have the 13th, 42nd, 54th, 73rd and 87th picks.

    expected da bears to be in the late 20s but indy? thought they'd be in and around the top 10. damn you andrew luck.
     
  8. datruth55

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    13th, 42nd (due to no picks for Saints and Cleveland), 56th (24th pick of the 2nd from Indy, they drop behind Chicago and Green Bay in 2nd), 73th (11th pick of the 3rd round) and 88th (26th pick of the 3rd round).

    Teams with similar records are ordered by SOS but then rotate in each round so in Indy, Chicago and Green Bay's case Indy goes first followed by Chicago and then Green Bay...in the next round Indy would move to last place between the three and the other two would move up one spot so it would be Chicago, Green Bay and then Indy. 3rd round would be Green Bay, Indy and Chicago.
     
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    Just a guess but I think we'll end up picking around #9 or #10.
     
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    Sounds good to-me! I'm very very curious what this FO does with the first few picks. As long as one of those picks is Stedman Bailey and not Lamar Thomas..sorry I meant Justin Hunter I will be a happy Dolphins fan. Although I would be stoked about drafting his runningmate Cordarrelle Patterson in addition to Stedman.
     
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    if we finish in the top 12 i think elite tools pass rusher might be there for the taking...and probably makes the most sense...although i see us winning 2 of the last 4 buffalo and jax and who knows if the pats clinch a first round bye early they may give us the week 17 game also...

    anyways unlike years in the past when i felt like we had no qb and we were best off losing i'm hoping that we win em all and i'll let the draft pick chip fall where it may...again though top 12 have to like the pass rush odds if all the high end guys come out
     
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    yah I just read it off walterfootball without really reading the order

    depends how much of a splash we make in free agency, if we get one of the top FA receivers then I'm all for pass rush with our top pick
     
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    Who do you prefer? Not just DE, but any position?

    You know how I feel about Bjoern Werner already and I know you don't exactly agree.

    Excluding the DEs, it looks to me like the highest rated players in this draft (not necessarily by me) are going to be Matt Barkley, Geno Smith, Giovanni Bernard, Keenan Allen, Tyler Eifert, Chance Warmack, Luke Joeckel, Star Lotulelei, Manti Te'o, Jarvis Jones, Johnathan Banks, Dee Milliner and Matt Elam. Could possibly see Phillip Thomas sneak into that group in a discussion between GMs whether they prefer Thomas or Elam.
     
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    I can see two OT coming off the board in the top 10 between Philadelphia, San Diego and Arizona.

    And if he comes out, I would be all over Demontre Moore in the draft.
     
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    The need could be there for those offensive tackles, especially with San Diego.

    Philadelphia is arguable just because Jason Peters may be hurt, but he's not dead. Arizona is arguable just because they need a quarterback so bad. Hard to say if Matt Barkley is their style, they seem to prefer the big-armed guys. Geno Smith may be more their cup of tea.

    I think the rookie wage scale has pushed us a bit beyond the days where offensive tackles are pushed into the top 10 and top 5 just because they're the "safe" picks.
     
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    Keenan Allen please
     
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    Given this draft order I could see the following draft happening:

    1. Kansas City Chiefs - QB Geno Smith, West Virginia
    2. Jacksonville Jaguars - CB Johnathan Banks, Mississippi State
    3. Oakland Raiders - LB Manti Te'o, Notre Dame
    4. Philadelphia Eagles - FS Matt Elam, Florida
    5. Carolina Panthers - DT Star Lotulelei, Utah
    6. San Diego Chargers - OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
    7. Cleveland Browns - DE Bjoern Werner, Florida State
    8. Tennessee Titans - OG Chance Warmack, Alabama
    9. Arizona Cardinals - QB Matt Barkley, USC
    10. Detroit Lions - CB Dee Milliner, Alabama
    11. Buffalo Bills - WR Keenan Allen, California
    12. New Orleans Saints - CB Jordan Poyer, Oregon State

    13. Miami Dolphins - ???

    That would leave pass rushers like Damontre Moore, Sam Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo, Jarvis Jones, Alex Okafor and Dion Jordan on the board. IF the Dolphins parted ways with Jake Long then that would put Jake Matthews on the board. There would be some backing for Chase Thomas.

    But for me if that scenario were to happen then my choice would be between TE Tyler Eifert, S Phillip Thomas of Fresno State and RB Giovanni Bernard of North Carolina.

    I like the defensive ends in this draft but I think once you get beyond Werner, you can shoot for a bargain player with one of the 6 picks we have in the top 110.
     
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    ??? Outside of maybe the TE I can't see how the Dolphins could possibly make one of the two selection you listed especially @RB!
     
  19. TedSlimmJr

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    Werner is a nice player but I couldn't go top 10 for him. Over half his sacks came against FCS competition and a bad Florida offensive line. He plays the DE position good, but I don't believe he's an elite pass rusher. Damontre Moore and Sam Montgomery are about the only two defensive ends I'd take in the top 10 if they were to declare early.

    Now, Moore also had 3 sacks against a bad Florida offensive line. A lot of these sacks that come in bunches against Florida are on Driskel because he can't help running himself into 'em.
     
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    Peters DID tear that Achilles twice though. So it's not a gimme that he'll be what he was pre-injury.

    Right now I see only 2 locks in the draft.

    1. Kansas City will take a QB.
    2.The Panthers will take a DT if Star is available (they were gonna take Fletcher Cox has Kuechley not been there). Their DTs are awful.

    Philly will depend completely on what the new system is.

    Almost positive the Jags will still go pass rush. Babin has been pretty bad outside of the WIde-9 and that DL as a whole is awful.
     
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    Thank you! I might have bad eyes, but they're not that bad...I just don't see it with Werner
     
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    If we're in around 12... attempt to trade down to low teens/20 and go with Eifert while picking up another 4th... doubt we'd get a third but you never know if there's someone desperate enough.

    Go FS/CB/DE in round 2 - which ever is the BPA with the 2 picks.

    Would like to see them toy with the idea in these last few games of moving Jerry to RT and giving Samuda a look at RG which if it was an option could mean a ZBS LG could be on the billing in rounds 3 or 4 to solidify a young athletic OL of Martin/Draft Pick/Pouncey/Samuda/Jerry.

    I'd also like to see Reed [TE-Florida] or Toilolo [TE-Standford] in rounds 3 or 4 also. to give us a nice young, athletic, target rich set of TE's - added to Clay and keep Fasano around for a year or two leadership within that group.
     
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    i'm not a woerner top pick guy either...if i can get mingo which seems crazy to me given his tools and how he's gonna test with our top pick i run the card up...no question in my mind...i get that he lacks strength in his upper body and will be liability as a run defender but i would take that guy right now as my pass rush specialist opposite wake and develop the rest of his game in a nanosecond...those tools are too damn good and on that length...

    give me mingo...he's a top 5 talent imo

    i don't see jarvis jones as the end all be all prospect at olb...i just don't get they hype there...i fail to see elite rush tools and get off the ball and when i hear von miller like prospect i say pump the damn brakes
     
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    I'm shocked when we take about pass rushing specialist we don't mention Jarvis Jones! Every time I've seen him play he's making something happen.
     
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    Jones is still the top OLB prospect.... might even be looked at as a LB by 4-3 teams.

    The kid gets it done on the football field, unlike Mingo.

    The next Von Miller is a bit ambitious... but he's a more well rounded player than Von Miller was at aTm. It's not as if you snuffed out Von Miller anyway. There was a time you didn't buy into him either.

    Hell, Jones' sack/forced fumble on one play vs. Alabama in the 1st quarter of the SEC title game was more than Mingo has ever done against Alabama in 4 games.
     
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    the guy got handled by te's all game long against bama...i mean moved out the hole moved off the ball...rolled...only thing i thought he did show well at was maintaining his feet when guys tried to cut him...he seems like a heady player...but the rush tools are not elite imo...and if miami is going with a pass rush talent with the top pick get elite physical tools...an explosive get off a real burst some serious athleticism and length...

    barkevious mingo
     
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    It's just incredibly ironic to point out Jones being run at by Alabama, and turn around and chirp out Barkevious Mingo in the same breath. That poor kid has been dominated his entire career by Bama running right at him.
     
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    i saw miller as a junior i guess it was playin on a bum ankle didn;t know it at the time but he didn't then look like the explosion athlete i saw as a senior...and of course miller wrecked the senior bowl week and game to top it all off...

    anyways like i said prior i'm fine if you and i disagree about mingo...no problem...the production hasn't been there all that much this year...i'll bet on the upside length and tools...

    we can disagree about jarvis jones also...i'm not seeing top 5 worthy pass rush talents there...
     
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    call it whatever you want...i don't believe a single te can just move mingo around the room like what i saw with jones...
     
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    I'm not as high on Mingo, Werner or Dion Jordan as some of you. Someone compared Jordan to JPP and JT...he might have the build of JT but he's no JT and JPP has him by 40 lbs. I've not seen Jordan do anything but speed rush, he gets owned every time they run at him, he can't bull rush...he's strictly a speed rusher and I don't see elite pass rushing tools from him. I like his athleticism and the fact that he can drop back in coverage but that's OLB tools for a 3-4 team IMO. Mingo is another guy that I think is a better fit for a 3-4 as an OLB. I just didn't see enough as a DE for LSU to make me think this guy was elite. Sam Montgomery made a heck of a lot more plays for that defensive line. Werner I've never been very high on but I think he has a lot more functional strength and decent explosion to be good at the next level but he's not top 15 IMO.
     
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    I don't see it on Sam Montgomery and I barely see it on Damontre Moore.
     
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    who gets doubled on pass rush downs over and over at lsu...mingo...sam montgomery has to eat constantly to maintain his weight...it's not even natural for him to get to that size...his rush tools are average anyways...i wouldn't use a top 20 pick on him...i'd go to another position before i did that
     
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    dion jordan screams 34 olb to me...he's fluid in space i like his hips his cod his burst off the ball on the edge the way he can drop but he's a liability vs the run and his pass rush is very one dimensional...he's a speed edge rusher all the way...rather go around you than thru you...one trick pony at this stage...still if you are gonna not bring much more than one thing to the table as a pass rusher a plus get off is the one thing i think i can work with the most...or at least i feel like can make tackles respect you and have to account for you...without a plus getoff i think you're toast unless you are bull strong and even then nfl tackles will just sit on your power rush and anchor and lock their arms out...

    i bet he goes top 20 though given the way he'll test and he's very athletic
     
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    dmontre moores quite productive and he's playing the run better this year but nothing he shows on tape pass rush wise stands out as elite for me at the next level...
     
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    Thomas is a kid we'll agree on. Outstanding all around safety.

    If he didn't have a significant history of injury he'd be one of cleaner prospects in the draft.
     

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