NFL week 10 draft order

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  1. datruth55

    datruth55 Starter

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    Here it is for those that care.

    1. Kansas City 1-8 SOS .507
    2. Jacksonville 1-8 SOS .558
    3. Cleveland 2-7 SOS .503
    4. Carolina 2-7 SOS .527
    5. Oakland 3-6 SOS .451
    6. Buffalo 3-6 SOS .466
    7. Philadelphia 3-6 SOS .493
    8. St. Louis (via Washington) 3-6 SOS .500
    9. Jets 3-6 SOS .514
    10. St. Louis 3-5-1 SOS .565
    11. Tennessee 4-6 SOS .545
    12. Cincinnati 4-5 SOS .448
    13. San Diego 4-5 SOS .448
    14. Miami 4-5 SOS .479
    15. Dallas 4-5 SOS .486
    16. New Orleans 4-5 SOS .500
    17. Arizona 4-5 SOS .558
    18. Detroit 4-5 SOS .595
    19. Tampa Bay 5-4 SOS .462
    20. Giants 6-4 SOS .490
    21. Seattle 6-4 SOS .503
    22. Minnesota 6-4 SOS .555
    23. Pittsburgh 6-3 SOS .432
    24. Indianapolis 6-3 SOS .463
    25. Denver 6-3 SOS .472
    26. New England 6-3 SOS .493
    27. Green Bay 6-3 SOS .557
    28. San Francisco 6-2-1 SOS .514
    29. Baltimore 7-2 SOS .469
    30. Chicago 7-2 SOS .520
    31. Atlanta 8-1 SOS .414
    32. Houston 8-1 SOS .503
     
  2. Geordie

    Geordie A True Fan

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    Could be back with a top 10 pick if we lose on Thurs.
     
  3. datruth55

    datruth55 Starter

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    Taking a quick look at some mocks and team needs...an early guess to how the draft falls I would say something like this:

    1. KC - QB Matt Barkley
    2. Jags - QB Geno Smith
    3. Cleveland - DT Johnathan Hankins
    4. Carolina - DT Star Lotulelei
    5. Oakland - CB Dee Milliner
    6. Buffalo - QB Tyler Wilson
    7. Philly - LT Luke Joeckel
    8. St. Louis - LT Taylor Lewan
    9. Jets - DE\OLB Barkevious Mingo
    10. St. Louis - OLB Javis Jones
    11. Tennessee - DE Sam Montgomery
    12. Cincinnati - FS Eric Reid
    13. San Diego - WR Keenen Allen

    That leaves us a few options...DE Demontre Moore, OT Jake Matthews, DE Bjoern Werner, CB Johnthan Banks, WR Justin Hunter. If those were the choices I'd take Demontre Moore and look to get Desmond Trufant with our first 2nd rounder or Terry Hawthorne with the late 2nd rounder.
     
  4. SCOTTY

    SCOTTY Well-Known Member

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    Please remove Matthews from our list of possibles with our first pick. Not happening. Am I missing T'eo? No way he doesn't go top 10. Don't be surprosed if KC goes Smith insted of Barkley. It won't effect us, but I can see Geno going #1. I think Keenen has a chance to fall to us at 14. Then our pick is a no brainer. Then we go best DE on the board with our second pick.
     
  5. datruth55

    datruth55 Starter

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    If they let Jake Long walk Matthews is a possibility...and a probability given Ireland's history with playing it safe.

    I can see Te'o landing with the Jets or Cincy but those are really the only teams in the top 14 that may have a need at MLB.

    If Chan Gailey stays in Buffalo another year I can see them making a push for Geno Smith...that's a Chan Gailey type QB but if KC is smart they'll stick with Barkley.
     
  6. SCOTTY

    SCOTTY Well-Known Member

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    Even if Long walks, we still do not take LT with our first. It's not happening. Philbin will push this. He needs play makers and we can find a servicable LT in the 3rd if needed. Te'o is definitely a pick I can see the Jets going with. This guy is serious top 10 talent. I think he has an off chance at the Heisman. I don't get the whole "smart" comment. Personally I feel Barkely is unbelievably over rated. Much like EVERY single QB that comes out of USC. I think the "smart" pick would be Smith. This guys is way more athletic than Barkley, more accuate and is a film whore. Barkley is surrounded with more talent and still cannot produce. If I'm a betting man, I say Smith has a better NFL career than Barkley.
     
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    datruth55 Starter

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    Green Bay hasn't taken a WR in the first round since 2003 or 2004...LT is a possibility. There are WRs to be had in the 2nd and 3rd that fit the offense...the preference would be Keenan Allen IMO but personally I think DE and CB are higher priorities. Not saying LT will happen just that it's a possibility.

    The "smart" comment is that Barkley is playing in an NFL style offense and has been for 4 years now. I think that makes him more NFL ready than Geno Smith. Barkley won't wow anybody with his physical attributes but he has the intangibles. Geno has lost the last 4 games and he's faced some tough defenses that made him look bad and it's hurt his stock. In WVUs losses this year Smith's numbers have been bad where in USCs losses Barkley's numbers have not been.

    There's definitely something to be said about the history of USC QBs in the NFL but IMO Barkley is still the best QB in this class...it's not a great class.
     
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    I know LT is "possible" because anything is possible. But seriously. LT is not going to happen with our first pick. I'm fine with WR in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and going DE or CB, but if Keenan (the best WR in the draft) is on the board when we pick with our first...that's gonna be damn hard to pass up. Especially if the top DE and CB are already off the board. I don't agree with your statement that Barkley didn't play bad in his loses. I watched the Stanford game, he was atrocious. Smith has a better completion %, more yards, and a waaaayyyyy better TD to Int ratio. I also believe WVU competition was way better than USC. I'm not sold on Barkley being more NFL ready that Smith. I stand by by statement: Smith will have a better NFL career than Barkely. I think Barkley can flame out, i.e. the road of Dirty Sanchez.
     
  9. datruth55

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    lol, you just contradicted yourself.

    We'll agree to disagree. I think Barkley can be a serviceable QB in the right system, I don't think Smith is going to turn out that good and I have my doubts about Tyler Wilson as well but Wilson may end up being the best of the bunch.
     
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    Where is the contradiction?? The arguement of "it's possible" is completely non supportive of any arguement. But even if I give in to "it's possible", which I did for your sake, doesn't mean it will happen. Which I restated. Sorry, no contradiction there. Let's meet up after the end of next season and compare Barkley and Smith :) I think I will come out ahead on this one. I am not to sure about Wilson either but agree that he may surprise just like Russell Wilson this year. So two questions, pick it now: 1) if Matthews and Keenan are on the board who do you pick 2) if Matthews and Keenan are on the board who does Ireland pick. { My choices: Me - Keenan, Ireland - Keenan}
     
  11. datruth55

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    1st answer is Keenan...no brainer. 2nd answer I need more information. Is Long still on the team or not?
     
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    1) With Long on team 2) without Long.
     
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    datruth55 Starter

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    With Long on the team...Keenan. With long not on the team...Matthews (it's just a typical Ireland move....safe pick).
     
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    Old mentality of what will happen. With Long gone, still no chance of Oline with our first.
     
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    If Ireland is in charge of the draft still in April then our draft could look like this
    1-OT
    2-DT
    2-OG
    3-S
    3-RB
    4-ILB
    5-OLB
    Then after all the playmakers are off the board,
    6-corner
    7-WR
    7-WR

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    There's no proof the old mentality is gone.
     
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    I think RT with our 1st last year shows that old mentality going. There is definitely new direction with this team and I feel Philbin will have alot of influence.
     
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    datruth55 Starter

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    But then he took an OT in the 2nd and a DE in the 3rd...he didn't stray far for long.

    Only the 2009 draft did he not take an O-lineman or D-line in one of the first 3 rounds.

    2008
    1st round OT
    2nd round DE
    3rd round DE

    2009 none

    2010
    1st round DE
    3rd round Guard

    2011
    1st round Center

    2012
    2nd round OT
    3rd round DE

    He still hasn't shown me that his priorities in the draft have changed. He values O-line and D-line more than any other position. You can argue he took QB in the 1st round in the last draft out of necessity as much as available talent. You could have said in 2009 that he was going in a different direction, the only year he didn't take an O-lineman or D-lineman in the first three rounds, and had a better argument but not after 5 drafts with the evidence presented.
     
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    The majority of the older drafts are Parcell driven. We all know this. Last year Ireland is on his own and goes QB. Yes he then went OT in the second, but come on man. Do you remember Columbo. That was our biggest need!
     
  20. datruth55

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    Ireland has been running the draft since 2010. Parcells pretty much quit after the 2009 draft in which he took Pat White...and he should have been fired along with Ireland for that pick. This is Ireland 3rd draft running the show...not just the last one.
     
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    I don't agree. 2010 was Parcell driven. I give Ireland 2 drafts. And he took an All Pro Center in his first and the first 1st round QB since Marino in his 2nd year. I don't think there has been enough "Ireland on his own" to peg him as a consistent safe drafter. I will step out there right now and say again no matter what happens with any our Oline, we do not select one with our first pick.
     
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    Fine, then Ireland's been robbing money from the Dolphins for 3 years if he hasn't been doing anything. What is the point of having a GM if he's not doing his job.

    Either way, not enough proof that Ireland is heading in a different direction...with two drafts there's not enough proof Ireland even knows what the heck he's doing. If you want to say Parcells was in charge you could also argue that Sparano picked Pouncey as the rumors have it.
     
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    i thought i saw dmontre moore was staying in school...anyways on the mathews front i'm sure if jake long is let go sherman is gonna vouge for him...and i'm sure sherman has some say in offensive draft personnel...not sayin it will be tackle with the top pick but i don't think you can auto rule it out either...if we stay in the top 15 tackle is a tough pill to swallow...joekel is a prototype zbs left tackle imo and heck mathews might even be the better pro cause he's got better feet than he's given credit for
     
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    Moore is staying in school as of now, but general rule is never believe somebody until after the bowl season. Earl Thomas said he never considered leaving until after the season and he was pretty much locked into the top 15. Moore hears he's a top 10, he'll leave.

    Pretty much going on in Michigan, everybody thought Lewan would stay, but since he's proven to be so good at both power blocking and zone blocking, he's seriously considering leaving early because most are telling him he's the number 2 tackle at worst.
     
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    I just don't want Ireland running anymore of our drafts. Period. We have some good picks in 2013 and we don't need Jeff screwing it all up.
     
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    [sitting in front of Ireland taking my hand and showing his idiotic waves to players he gets rid of] "Jeff, you have too much uneven work. We gotta get rid of the valleys and only have peaks."
     

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