Nick Saban: Daunte Still a Prime Time Player (Post-Game Presser)

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  1. ckparrothead

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    Just some notes from Saban's post game presser.

    He's pissed....but he's exercising remarkable self-restraint. He's spoken with a lot of sports psychiatrists about our situation and they all say the same thing you have to stay positive, correct mistakes in a positive way, continue showing them how to do what they need to do...and the thing you don't want to do is get negative and get extremely angry.

    The reporters asked is he angry at the players and he said if he thought getting angry was the best thing for this football team he'd jump up on the mic stand and create a bloopers hi-light reel for everyone. But he's spoken with those psychiatrists and they've made it clear what he needs to do.

    He pointed out that Randy should have caught the ball that got returned for 6 points.

    Also said that a lot of these tipped balls are because guys try and body catch the ball. Chambers last week and McMichael this week were examples.

    Said they played a lot of Cover 2 and Quarters, split safety stuff to where they found a lot more success to the middle guys than to the outside guys...partially explains why Chambers didn't get involved. The other thing was he got open a few times and got behind the defense and we just missed the throw period. Kind of "so there you have it"

    Said he's not concerned about Randy himself just concerned that they continue to put him into position to have success, and that he actually made a couple of great plays today just didn't see the consistency they would like. He said that's the story of the season everyone takes their 1 and 2 turns at negative plays and the cumulative effect is overwhelming.

    Game plan was not to throw the ball 60 times that is for certain. Game plan was to go some 2 minute on them to try and speed things up. They went "red ball" in the first half but really didn't see the kind of tempo or urgency they wanted. Then in the second half when they would have liked to run the ball, they go up on us 13-10 and then 20-10 and continued putting us in catch-up mode and there you have us going constant 2-minute passing.

    Said the weird unsportsmanlike on Zach was because he called "Move!" a little before the snap which is the term that means the D needs to stem the rush on the FG attempt, we've called it exactly like that all year long and its at the discretion of the ref to decide if it is an attempt to get them to false start and they've called it one way all year and all the sudden they called it another way.

    Pointed out we had two people in the area that failed to make a play on the ball on Donald Driver's TD. Jason Allen was one of them, although Saban never mentioned him. The way it was explained to Saban, Driver did not catch the ball on the way down but he caught it once he hit the ground and the ball never touched the ground.

    Doesn't have a clue what happened on the long TD run...said he saw a picture of it but the picture was pretty inconclusive. Said we were in eight man front...should have had all gaps covered. Seemed to suggest mostly that the safety playing middle field should have been able to squeeze the runner for a 10 yard gain but that there's no way he should have been able to break out of contain.

    Then just before the end he was answering a question about team mentality and I believe Harvey Greene tried to end the PC by asking anymore questions...and all the sudden Saban added in "And you've got to have prime time players to do it."

    A reporter bit on the remark and said "Do you feel you have enough prime time players to do it?"

    And he answered "If they play like they are capable of, I do. Some of them aren't playing. One of them is playing up in Canada. And there's one that's hurt right now that were brought in to be guys that make a significant difference."

    Then he continued to talk about how we could have won each game we played so far this year...we had playmakers in position to make plays.

    "When you consistently give up points off turnovers...Turnovers have been absolutely killers."

    Finished the press conference by losing his cool when a reporter asked how is it that a runningback can outrun an entire secondary for 70 yards. Saban started to talk technically about the responsibilities and said he hasn't had a chance to really dissect it and then it seemed the press were fishing for him to criticize a player and he refused to. He said that really pisses him off, the press can criticize him all they want and they can even criticize his players but *he* will never criticize his players...publicly. He'll tell them what they did wrong when they have team meetings but he's not there to criticize them.

    Pretty much ended it quickly after that.

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    William of Ockham would be rolling over in his grave if he ever listened to Saban's press conferences.

    Saban is an idiot. He does not know how to coach at the professional level. Any analyst with any amount of sense has said that nearly all of personnel decisions were risky and to date next to none of them have paid off. Saban's now the proud owner of a 10-13 record as a head coach.

    Yes, in theory, ALL plays can be blamed on the players. Saban can say that this particular individual should have covered this part of the field when the fact remains that that particular individual simply may not have the talent. You can't fault the #8 hitter for striking out on a triple-digit fastball because that's simply not what he's supposed to do. We have guys on the defense who aren't supposed to be anything special - "role players" as they are called by people who can't understand that they aren't talented - and they aren't really getting it done. We have an offense coached by somebody who fashions himself an autistic savant and all that talent is horribly misutilized. Then we sit here and wonder why the offense can't get anything done. Why they aren't catching the ball or clicking or what have you.

    We need a new coach.
     
  3. RoninFin4

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    Sounds like the same song and dance we get every week...pretty standard. CK - do you think he's lost a little of the fire, or changed his philosophies from last year at all? We certainly don't seem to have the confidence we had during that 6 games streak...or is that just a mirage. Your thoughts?
     
  4. alen1

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    he is a second year coach ...... give him two more years ....... if he keeps up coaching like wannstedt then give him the boot
     
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    He's got a long, long, long ladder to climb to reach "Wannstedt" status. Wannstedt at least won we had talent on the team.
     
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    Yea, we need a new coach. OK. Let's see...maybe we can get Denny Green for cheap! Come on.
     
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    I don't have any answers other than Jim Bates, but I've been saying since last year that Saban is not the answer.
     
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    I think that what is happening right now is pretty similar to what was happening last year when we went 3-7.

    If you remember, last year I believe the Cleveland game was the first real game where we got absolutely drubbed. Everything else was a bunch of mistakes, penalties, etc that represented the difference in the game.

    Saban isn't a bad coach because of what is happening right now but we are certainly not a good team because of what is happening right now.

    I don't think we've found the right QB...I think that is obvious. I think Daunte will be that right QB but in his post-injury form his first four games back from the injury he wasn't really in the form that this team needed to get that spark going.

    And Joey Harrington isn't what the team needs right now either. That much has become exceedingly obvious.

    One thing that I take from the PC is basically a re-affirmation that Daunte is the long term answer to this coaching staff at QB. Saban considers Daunte and Ricky to be two of the prime time players on this team. I don't think it would be a stretch of the imagination to say that he considers the other guys to be Chambers, Ronnie, McMichael, Zach, JT, and maybe Kevin Carter.

    It's a tough thing being where we are right now. So close and yet so far away. We haven't gotten absolutely thrashed by any team but we also haven't absolutely thrashed any other team. There doesn't seem to be a go-for-the-throat mentality on offense...and the D finds it hard to play in the second half like they did in the first half.
     
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    I loved Jim Bates! Agree with you there! Disagree that Saban is not the answer. I think he'll make some changes and turn things around. Was he supposed to do it in 2 years??? I'm not sure. It may take 2 more years. Dolphin fans, including myself, are impatient after 33 or whatever years. I think Saban will turn it around if he has the time.
     
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    I don't know of any psychiatrists who've won Super Bowls.
    I wonder what his shrink crew would say about Lombardi and Shula.
    Maybe we need more "Kumbaya" sessions.

    “Losing is a disease, as contagious as the bubonic
    plague. Infecting one but affecting all.â€Â

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    BY JEFF DARLINGTON
    jdarlington@MiamiHerald.com

    Dolphins wide receiver Marcus Vick did not make the active roster for Sunday's game against the Green Bay Packers, but he has replaced Daunte Culpepper as the No. 3 emergency quarterback.

    That means Vick, who was signed to the 53-man roster after spending the season's first six weeks on the practice squad, would only play if quarterbacks Joey Harrington and Cleo Lemon were forced out of the game.

    It also means Culpepper is not eligible to play under any circumstances, which marks the first time this season the Dolphins have gone with that scenario.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    Hence Saban's explanation that after the week they spent of heavy rehab on his knee, his knee got really sore and his patellar tendon got inflamed and really he made the decision himself that his knee was in no condition to be able to play today under any circumstances, even emergency ones.

    Nice try though. Saban just clearly pointed to Daunte as one of our prime time players, implying strongly that we miss him as a difference maker, and this comes in addition to numerous statements to the effect of a healthy Daunte is our long term starting quarterback.

    But go on taking every opportunity to defend Joey and attack Daunte. It has quite literally become your only activity on this message board (with well over 70% of your posts discussing Joey Harrington). It is truly the *only* reason you are here, on this message board. Just like Joey Harrington's presence on the Lions roster was the *only* reason you hung around Lions message boards defending Joey constantly.
     
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    I think we have the right head coach, we just need a new OC, and I think instead of drafting Allen this year, we should have stuck with schulters and then draft LaRon Landry next year.
     
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    first let me say that im not bashing im just asking a question. let me give you props for your post about dc coming to miami last oct.
    heres some of your quotes from that post


    So, he threw a hissy-fit with the staff, threatened holdout, and forced them to beef up his contract so that he is paid commensurate with the top quarterbacks in the NFL. After all, the Vikings were talking him up so much about how he's the best, and they started stripping the offense under the guise of "building around Daunte" so why not?

    Problem: The wheels are falling off on Daunte's game now that Scott Linehan isn't there anymore.

    Now, Culpepper is VASTLY overpaid compared to the way he is playing, and until they clean house with the coaching staff this season there is really no hope in sight that things are going to get much better for Daunte.

    There is a very REAL possibility that Daunte can never reach his potential again without a coordinator like Linehan, and a receiver like Moss. Even if that is not the case, there's a very real possibility that a lot of people begin thinking that way.
    Think of it this way: Minnesota's "powerhouse" offense STARTED when Randy Moss was drafted, and ENDED when Randy Moss was traded, and has survived the likes of Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, Gus Frerotte, Todd Bouman, and Daunte Culpepper at quarterback while still performing at a high level.

    Just looking at the situation that way is a very sharp criticism to the money being paid to Daunte
    I am not so sure that it was Moss' departure that makes him look this bad. It is the offense, clearly. It has him thinking too much, acting with a lot of hesitation, everything. Daunte playing in Miami right now would not be playing this badly


    now my question is why do you think that he can become the long term answer.it seems that you didnt think to highly of him before.you pointed out many probs with him,so why change your mind?
     
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    I can honestly say that Renaldo Hill is head and shoulders better than Schulters was a year ago.
     
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    It's been a long time since we looked like this with all the talent we have. 2004 had most of the team running around like chickens with their heads cut off, but a lot of the talent was simply not here. Last year and this year had a lot of guys with talent and look where they are.

    Don't get me wrong, I want the Dolphins to succeed. I'm simply not surprised that Saban isn't getting it done.
     
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    Thanks for the info CK....man I tell you what this is the part I like the most:

    "A reporter bit on the remark and said "Do you feel you have enough prime time players to do it?"

    And he answered "If they play like they are capable of, I do. Some of them aren't playing. One of them is playing up in Canada. And there's one that's hurt right now that were brought in to be guys that make a significant difference."

    That made me fell alot better about still having Ricky next year...after Ricky's failed drug test came out of Denver I always wondered if Saban was trying to trade him...sounds like he really misses Ricky.
    Another thing that made me fell better it sounds like he still has faith in CPEP.
     
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    Yes indeed.
     
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    That statement in itself completely sums up the lunacy of your argument and viewpoint.

    You had already decided that a coach in his very first year was going to be a failure.

    It's not like he's a first year coach taking over a stocked team either despite your relentless claims of how great Wannstedt "built" a "good" team.

    This first year coach faced and still faces the job of almost completely rebuilding the offense. Starting with 2 of the most important playmaking and leadership positions on the field, QB and RB. I won't even get into the long list of positions needing to be filled on the Defensive side of the ball.

    Saying you knew Saban was a bust his first year removes any bit of credibility in your posts.

    Your posts on this issue are a joke.
     
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    Both your obsession with me and your ridiculous obsession with Saban are quite tiring. It's also no credit to you that you continually change what you think I said.

    This "first year coach," by the way, was given the #2 pick in the draft with a fairly well-stocked RB draft class. It is hard to say "I have no options at running back." He got a good running back. The problem is he hired a moron to run the offense.
     
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    And whatever the sports shrink told him to do, its not working. Maybe he should throw a fit. Whats he afraid of, they'll come out and lose to the Bears off the bye week? Wow...like that could happen.

    The guy is grasping at straws because hes out of answers...and week by week more people are coming to the conclusion that he just sucks.

    But, hes not going anywhere. 10-1 he'll be the coach next year as well. And when we are out of the playoffs after next season, maybe something will get done so we can get this team winning again.
     
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    Saban is searching for excuses. Last week it was "Last year at this time we were 4 games under .500 also and we turned it around." This week it is that our best players aren't here to play. I am a Saban supporter and I think he will turn this thing around in the next couple of years. He says what he wants to say, and what he thinks the media and all of us want to hear. You all shouldn't read so much into what he is saying. It means nothing.
     
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    No. Maybe he saw something telling that the rest of us didn't see. I swear to God in Heaven that after the Buffalo game, I didn't think this team would win two games the rest of the year. Veteran playes couldn't block, throw, tackle...and veteran players made stupid mistakes. Veterans aren't going to wake up tomorrow and suddenly be better. After a few games, they are what they are. And what we are (the very veteran football team of ours) is very bad.
     
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    Then his words are just like his coaching...meaningless. A homeless guy could coach this team to a 1-6 record.
     
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    LOL!

    I'm just imagining one of the homeless guys I see on a regular basis - drunk, stumbling, pushing shopping carts around with what looks like trash in them, on the the sideline wearing headphones and coaching the Dolphins.
     
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    My mind has not changed...at all. I've appreciated how good of a player Daunte Culpepper is probably since about 2003. He had some challenging years in 2001 and 2002 as the wheels began to really fall off the Vikings organization. 2001 was the worst year really.

    What I was pointing out in that thread is the bifurcation that happens between perception and reality when a certain set of conditions present themselves. That's why I made the statement "even if it isn't true, that's the way it is going to look"

    I was pointing out everything that really was the truth. There was and indeed still is the possibility that Daunte cannot achieve the success he enjoyed in 2003 & 2004 without having a good coordinator with a style that suits him, and a good receiver.

    He doesn't have that coordinator here in Miami right now...or at least not yet. Scott Linehan really did a bit of a 180 in the second half of 2005 and I'm not going to discount the possibility that Mularkey does the same.

    Anyway what I was predicting would happen in Minnesota is exactly what ended up happening. The perception became reality for them, to the point where Daunte's trade value went from sky high in 2004, to a 2nd rounder in 2005. The perception would be based on the coincidental correlations between the Minnesota offense and Randy Moss.

    Well one thing I totally forgot before that was that Minnesota was already a good offense when Randy Moss got there. Denny Green usually led a good offense while there. They were #4 in offense in 1995, #11 in 1997, #7 in 1994, and #4 in 1992...all under Denny Green.

    But if I could forget that, so too could many other people and that showed when everyone conveniently attributed all of Minnesota's offensive success to Randy Moss and then conveniently overlooked how Randy has hardly helped turn Oakland into an offensive juggernaut.

    Also a thing I was inaccurate on was Daunte's contract. He didn't get new money added to it at all. They converted some of the roster and salary into guaranteed then promised that they'd review it again after the 2005 season. I was unaware of that..

    That's what I was getting at...perception vs. reality. Daunte was NOT playing well in 2005...and was certainly not playing up to his salary. There were a myriad of reasons and I even said what it was...it was the offense. Probably a lot more about Scott being gone and about the horrible OL, ground game and WRs than about Randy Moss in particular not being there.

    I think what we had here in Miami is a lot of perception vs. reality too. When did Daunte lose games? Right at the beginning of the season, when everyone was STILL under the impression that we were going to be a good team this year.

    That made those losses from Daunte all the more unforgivable.

    Once it became clear that we're not a good team from head to toe, Joey's performances have been much more forgivable, and indeed many people out there keep trying to pretend he's looked better than Daunte when the stark reality is that he has not.

    The misnomer is that I'm excusing everything Daunte did while failing to excuse everything Joey did. This is just not the truth. I don't excuse anything either of them has done. However, the simple fact of the matter is that there are a lot of people out there that are giving Daunte less credit than he deserves, and giving Joey more credit than he deserves.

    I made it clear that before this game I gave Joey a C grade for the year and Daunte also got a C. I think my expectation was that Daunte would have given me about a B grade in his four games, while I've never expected Joey to give me better than a C on anything, so if anything I'm much more disappointed in Daunte per se than Joey...because Joey has turned out to be just what I thought while Daunte turned out to be a little ways away from achieving what I thought he'd achieve.
     
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    I think a homeless guy would do worse. Although, I believe the homeless guy could use the money more than him.

    His words are meaningless. I just think that most of the people around here like to take all of his words as meaningful. They are not. He's not going to tell us anything. I beleive his coaching will be more than meaningless.
     
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    This is absolutely the right coach, we are all frustrated and we are not used to this kinda play.

    I seriously question the heart of some of our so called offensive playmakers, they lolly gagged towards the end of the game.

    Its hard to watch this team simply cause I don't beleive we have been outplayed in most of our losing efforts.

    I just think that we have to many new faces and are trying to build continuity in a quick time, and it can't be done.

    Im listening to the press conference now sounds like he's willing to bench players that aren't willing to give it there all, good for him!

    CP I appreciate your post as it gives clarity to this team, I'm upset that this season is heading in the direction that it is, but if it must it must, sometimes you need to have short term sacrifice for long term success, and if this season is over, I am confident that we will get it right eventually.

    We might see a lot of player turnover in this offseason, which is unfortunate cause it might cause another lag in terms of having consitency.

    Should this have happened last year, yes probably but as Saban states Ricky is a gamer, and right now we lack a game breaker offensively.

    Do not run this coach out of town he's a darn good coach.

    As for Jim Bates, sorry i don't buy it.
     
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    I have no obsession with Saban. Truth is that I'm not completely in support of him or against him. There are some things that trouble me that I've seen and heard. There are also some things that I see that give me hope Saban will be just fine. It's still up in the air. I am just a smart enough guy to know that anyone calling a new coach taking over a team with a number of holes a bust after his first year is absurd.

    As for an obsession with you.... :lol:
    There you go again with this obsession stuff.
    Are you lonely? Do you need to feel someone is "obsessed" with you? Fact is that you are always the one leading the charge in these threads about Saban being a bust. I'm clearly against this "well thought out viewpoint" and counter this argument. If that equates to someone being a personal stalker to you.... what ever blows your skirt up.



    The point being is that he didn't have an option at RB when he took this team over nor did he have an option at QB nor did he have many options on the OL, etc.

    That's the whole point. He had to and still has to fill a number of positions on this team. Building a team's core of youth back isn't something that can happen overnight.
     
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    I don't know if what I'm going to say is positive or negative but I hope Daunte Culpepper is the answer because I really get the impression that Joey Harrington is not.
     
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    daunte is still a prime time player he is still playing as good as a fully healthy joey

    daunte will be back to form next year and having ricky will be a big help, well that is if we have an OC that calls some runs for ronnie and ricky
     
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    One positive about Saban stating that one of our prime time players is playing in Canada is that he probably has no plans to trde Ricky this offseason. If that's as clear as I think it is that should save finheaven from about 500000000000000000000000 garbage threads about trading Ricky. Ahh nevermind I'm sure they will still be here.
     
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    I'm not calling Saban a bust....I'm calling him a coward....how many times today did he go for a fieldgoal....needing 2 or 3 yds.....with a team thats 1-5 at the time....I'm sorry....seems you have little faith in your running game to get 2 or 3 yds on a third down....never mind a 4th down when you are losing late and have even less to lose. Why did you spend the 2nd pick in the 2005 draft...on Ronnie Brown....if you have no faith in him to get a couple yds?
    If thats not coaching scared...I don't know what else to call it....even on the last drive...it was 4th down....he brings in MARE...and you can see Harrington face....like what the heck are you doing? Whats 3 points going to do....opps....fieldgoal missed....I'm sure that made the team happy....it did me....so Saban stop being a coward....stop coaching scared....you have a team thats 1-6....and NOTHING to lose.
     
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    i see what your saying. i do think that joey has looked better, not tons but better. but like you said it may be because dc was supposed to be alot better than what he has shown.so in your opinion what happens this off season,if dc doesnt play the rest of the year how can we keep him at his salary.you know that if we draft a qb high it will send him through the roof.
    like you said dc has to be in the right situation and i dont believe that we will have those pieces in place next year.
    also i think that calling either one of these 2 a franchise qb is wrong i think there are only3 maybe 4 franchise qbs in the afc.every starting qb is not a franchise qb even if they made it to a probowl
     
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    What I think is that fresh off the knee surgery, a mediocre stint surrounded by a pathetic team is hardly anything to start concluding things.

    You judge Daunte by what happened from 1999 to 2005, a heck of a lot more than you judge Daunte on those four games in 2006. That's what I am saying right now.

    We will not be drafting a QB high, unless Daunte comes back in this year and does a heck of a lot more damage to his name. I'm not discounting that possibility...but I do not find it likely either.

    Saban wants us to get players that help this team become overachievers. If we pick REALLY high, I expect him to be really high on Calvin Johnson.

    Our receivers group is good, they get open and they are capable of making plays, but they are not consistent and that is really led by Chambers who is most inconsistent of them all.

    If Derek Hagan has shown anything this year, in his rookie year, it is that he IS what we thought he might be coming out of the draft. He's big, and he's fast, he's a hard worker and god help him that boy can get open. BUT, he drops the ball. Not every ball, but he does drop some of them. I think teams allowed that to drop him into a 3rd round pick because, in the end, he'll never reach above the level of a guy like Eddie Kennison so long as he drops balls. Eddie Kennison, btw, is no Marvin Harrison or Torry Holt.

    Miami got a great deal though, Hagan in the 3rd. That's a good deal because he's going to be a solid player that gets open a lot for a long time, and he works hard too.

    And of course if you had a bunch of Wes Welkers you'd be ok.

    But Marty Booker is not long for Miami...injuries, age, salary just pretty much ensure that much.

    And truthfully, Chris Chambers is still too inconsistent. You need prime time difference makers...and if you're depending on Chambers to be a prime time difference maker every game you're going to be disappointed 60% of the time.

    That's why you diffuse the responsibility as much as possible and add the best playmaker possible to the team and if we draft #1 or #2, to me that is Calvin Johnson. Period.

    And if not, then a Joe Thomas or Sam Baker for the OL.

    And if not, then an Adam Carriker, Marcus Thomas, Justin Harrell, etc for the defense.
     
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    Yeah real nice try. Saban didn't even mention Daunte Culpepper by name did he? Just referred to "prime time players" but you're twisting his presser to somehow focus on Daunte?? The presser was discussing many things - not Daunte.

    Your fixation on Daunte is truly amazing, what are you gonna do when he's history? Just move on I guess. Thanks again for the personal stuff, Pot calling Kettle Black - all you do is write long posts promoting the Pooper and making excuses for the Pooper. Hey at least MY guy is the starting QB - your guy isn't even listed as active.

    The real NEWS is that Marcus Vick is now our 3rd stringer - not your attempt to spin Saban's press conference. Nice Try is right!! :lol:
     
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    All I know is whatever method of "psychology" Saban is using isn't working. He needs to make some MAJOR changes. This team is playing just about the sloppiest football I have ever seen at the NFL level. My confidence in Saban's coaching ability is rapidly falling. Even if we lose we can still clean up all the stupid mistakes. IMO we are getting worse, not better.
     
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    Your football knowledge doesn't even begin to compare to that of CK; not to mention he makes a much better case for his argument.

    As for his "fixation"; CK is one of the least bias persons on this board........which is more than I can say for some.
     
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    To someone obsessed with asserting that Joey Harrington is better than Daunte Culpepper, I will naturally look like I am obsessed with Daunte Culpepper. This is because, despite the fact that I post about a wide variety of topics having to do with the Dolphins, Mr. Ducks Fan over here is only jumping into the arguments that concern Joey Harrington.

    And since I'm of the opinion that Daunte has shown that he is a much better QB than Harrington, from Mr. Duck Fan's angle he will forever see me as obsessed with Culpepper...simply because when I post about something else, he doesn't bother to jump in.

    I can guarantee one thing though. When Joey Harrington is traded or cut from the Dolphins, Mr. Ducks Fan will leave FinHeaven, never to be seen again...just as he left the Lions message boards when Joey was traded to Miami.
     
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    Well, when Saban says "we're missing prime time players, one is in Canada and the other one is hurt" who the hell do you think he is talking about?

    BTW, you got into this pissing match a few weeks ago in another thread with backhanded comments about people making long posts. Yet you still have not contributed one thing of substance accept for your glaring man love for Harrington.
     
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    You mean Ricky is playing in Canabis?:sidelol:
     
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    damn i was hoping it was joe berger
     
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    EXACTLY!

    It is the Joey/Daunte double standard at work once again.

    Joey gets a free pass, week after week for things that Daunte gets torn to shreds for, I don't understand it.

    You've made great points about the perception people have. People percieved us as a Super Bowl contender when C-Pep was playing and were stringing him up when he was playing below his established level of play and the team was playing poorly. Now the SAME people are seeing how flawed this football team and blaming everyone BUT the quarterback.

    There are people on this board that are so obsessed with their hate towards Culpepper that they have wanted him to fail from day one...something I don't understand. I'm a Dolphins fan, something that a LOT of people here can not say.
     
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    Easy Pete....no country bashing....LOL.:tongue:
     
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    That's fine, he can keep name calling and throwing cheap personal attacks at me in between those tasty mouthfuls of CROW! :lol:

    SPIN spin spin, while eating that crow. Mmmm, good! FACT is Saban's press conference wasn't even about Culpepper - and Joey Harrington has put this Team in position to WIN the past 3 weeks. Which is totally opposite from the statements make by parrothead before the season regarding JH. Now he's been proven totally wrong and responds to me in childish fashion with cheap shots.

    I'm not saying JH played "great" but all things considered and from statements by the Coach and the players they will regroup and try again next week. Nobody is happy with losing but "consensus" seems to be we're in better shape with Joey and unfortunately lost 4+ weeks when Joey wasn't allowed to practice with the 1st Team Offense, big surprise we're losing to Favre/ Driver and Pennington/ Coles guys who have been together for years. Give Harrington more than THREE tough games maybe?
     
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    UT...I don't hate Culpepper....but I've said right from the start that I didn't think he was as good as his stat's appear. With or without his knee....his holding onto the football way too long has always been his problem....his sack stat's in his career prove that....in less than 7 full years....he has 249 sacks....I believe Marino only had 235 in 16 years.
    Culpepper's saving grace was his movement....now he doesn't have that to back him up....so he is what he is...a QB that holds onto the football to long...and one that takes too long to make a decision....not a good combination.
     
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    I dont think that's true. I think they get ripped for completely different flaws in their game.

    With Daunte its his slow decision making process and his lack of mobility.
    With Harrigton its his long range accuracy and his interceptions.

    The arguments are valid for both. I think when choosing between these two it has more to do with what flaws you're willing to live with from the QB position.
     
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    i believe ricky williams and daunte culpepper are the best offensive players the dolphins have, and dont have. when healthy daunte will benefit from ricky. ronnie is not a star player
     
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    And for a fan base that got use to winning games with Jay Fiedler at the helm I guess I should be able to see why they'd go with the familiar demon in Harrington over the unfamiliar chance in Culpepper.

    But the fact of the matter is Harrington's given us no reason to believe his flaws will ever change and he's shown us everything he showed in Oregon and in Detroit.

    Meanwhile Daunte's pattern of play has clearly been affected by his knee injury, which by all means should get better over time.

    And Daunte has shown that his "slow decision making process" is good enough to have one of the best seasons a QB has ever had, even without much help from a gimpy Randy Moss who only played for 2/3rds of the season.
     
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    CK....You forget the important items like no talented players on the team...with the exception of Taylor today....the team played an average game....what more can you really expect....receivers dropping so many catches....shame it hit them for the most part on the hands....their hands must be sore. How about our coaching....you pick Ronnie with the 2nd pick in the draft....but only use him again...15 times as a runner....what a shame and a sad joke. How about the cowardly Lion we have as a headcoach....how many times did he chose to go for a fieldgoal...when they were in Green Bays side of the 50...I counted at least 4 times....and the most they needed was 7 yds....once it was just 2 yds.....2 yards and you are afraid to use Ronnie or a QB sneak....spread the defense with 4 receivers and let Harrington run a lousy 2 yds....but NO....the scared Lion....just goes for fieldgoals....then how will you ever teach the players that winning is everything....if your coach to lose. Lets not forget that the Dolphins are 1-5 during this game....did the Packers who were 1-4 play scared? Or did they play to win? Saban is suppose to be a secondary coach....hate to see if he didn't have that going for him...again....our secondary was beaten like a drum. Well now we're 1-6....and again I say...ALL's well....because we shouldn't complain....we shouldn't be mad that we're no better off now...than two year ago...and it isn't going to get any better....we still have the Bears, Colts, Pats....heck even the Lions may give us a loss....and thats the way it is....Monday 23rd 2006.
     

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