Ninkovich suspended 4 games for PED.

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  1. EvilDylan

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    He was already out w/ injury, just adds insult to injury.
     
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    Still should be one of the best defenses that Belichick has had in his tenure in NE. Too much versatility to be concerned with one player.
     
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    Yeah, from a talent standpoint they are loaded. I was thinking about leadership too.
     
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    Agree, but, it seems RN plays at higher level v the phins
     
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    ^^^
    You do realize that Chandler Jones is now in Arizona, right? Now, Ninkovich is likely to miss 6+ games. Do you really think that Barkevious Mingo, first round bust recently acquired from Cleveland is going to make up for missing both Jones and Ninkovich? Unlike Mario Williams, Jones and Ninkovich show up to play all the time.
     
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    He's part of a cheating culture in NE so I'm not surprised.

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    Exactly how are the Pats "loaded" on defense. When I hear that terminology used, I think of the Broncos defense or the old Ravens defense.
    I'm sorry, I just don't see it.
     
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    First and foremost, they are extremely well coached and fundamentally sound with a classic bend but don't break mentality. The Patriots essentially utilize one true DT and have a slew of hybrid defenders from pass rushers that can drop into coverage, linebackers with safety-type skills, and safeties who have corner-like skills. This allows them to present proper match-ups when opposing offenses are in a HUNH mode and they cannot substitute. The versatility they possess is what sets them apart along with excellent depth. No reason to apologize, but you'll see it all up close and personal with the unfortunate circumstance that they are division [STRIKE]rivals[/STRIKE] foes.
     
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    That's not the definition of "loaded". Considerable hyperbole on your part. You could use a good dictionary
     
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    Goodness me, I must have misplaced my Merryman-Jlfinster dictionary.


    But wait, lookie here:

    Full article: Fox Sports - New England Patriots 2016 Season Preview


    :ponder: THat can't be right? Can it? Well, at least it's only the secondary and a LB that can boast such things.


    Hold on, what is this? They've also acquired the talented and explosive Barkevious Mingo to go along the front 7 with Sheard, Long, etc.

    That's not fair, it's almost as though . . .

    Full article: Patriots Load Up On Edge Rushers



    No matters. Nothing to see here. I'm now off to find that damned dictionary.
     
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    I agree with jlfin. "Loaded" means having a lot of good/great talent not having mostly JAGs who are well coached. Patriots' Ds in the past were often "loaded", but this year's edition, not so much, especially when busts like Mingo and Rowe are taking up roster spots.
     
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    A coaches job is to extract the potential from his players. Talent means jack **** if there is a lack of coaching to extract a players utmost capabilities and effort. The only reason you can claim that past Patriot defenses were loaded is because Belichick did just that. Otherwise those players simply look like JAG underneath the tutelage of other incapable coaches. We both know that damn well because of the sub par coaching of Philbin and Ryan with excellent examples being Dion Jordan and Mario Williams. We'll revisit this thread and I'm hard pressed to think people will be claiming that Mingo is a bust, instead he will excel because BB has the ability to coax the best from players.
     
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    Are you really as ignorant as you seem or is it just stubbornness? You claimed that NE's defense is "loaded", which to 99.9% of fans means, "has a lot of good/great players". When you were questioned about it, you started prattling on about coaching ... and posted 2 articles that don't prove that "NE's defense is loaded" at all. The first one mentioned two Pro Bowlers on defense but ignored the loss of Pro Bowler Chandler Jones and his double digit sacks. It didn't mention any other defensive players. The second one was about NE collecting OLB/DE tweeners. It didn't say any of them were all that great, although it noted three were injured. Adding a player who has been a disappointment to any group of players doesn't mean the group is improved; it just means there's now another body in the group.

    Coaching is independent of player talent. Good coaching can improve the effectiveness of any player, whether he's the GOAT at his position or a JAG, and poor coaching can diminish the effectiveness of any player. What coaching can't do is create talent where it doesn't exist, and it's a high level of talent that seems to be diminishing from NE as they replace high quality players like Pro Bowler Chandler Jones with busts like Barkevious Mingo. You're just stubbornly clinging to your belief that coaching can turn Mingo into Jones. Good luck with that.
     
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    Damn, that Patriots defense is loaded.

    Just like last year, I would bet that Buffalo scores under their season average (23.6) vs Pats (22.5) yet again. Doubt the Jills even average 20 p/g.

    I would also gander that NE's defense is better than last years, despite the loss of Jones.
     
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    In addition to missing Brady, Ninkovich, and Vollmer, the Pats will be missing Gronkowski, Cooper, and Solder, ie their best offensive weapon and their two best OLers, for the season opener in Arizona.

    Enjoy watching Garoppolo give a Ryan Tannehill-in-his-worst-game impression in Phoenix ... running for his life, getting knocked on his ***, losing the football, throwing bad passes with defenders in his face ... It's too bad it's only Brady's less than impressive stand-in the Cards will rough up and not the Premier Cheater himself ... but who knows? That may happen yet. :D
     
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    #1 defense in the NFL in points allowed. (aka only defensive stat that truly matters).

    15.6 pts/g.

    That's a mere 250 for the entire season and 34 points less than the second defense (Giants 284).

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    And therein lies the genius of Belichick. Do you realize that since Tom Brady that the worst record NE has on the year is 9-7.
     
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    Shula, do you have one of these nifty inventions by any chance???

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    I'm more of a high-five guy myself.

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    I had been expecting great things from this defense, almost shocking it got better after the collins trade
     
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    Regardless of talent, if you don't follow your assignments within a strict defense built on sound individual principles, you put everyone at risk for failure. Much like offensive line play; one guy has a ME/MA the entire unit and play will falter.

    Yet, we keep hearing around here how we need to improve our talent on defense while the out-dated scheme is ignored. It's fruitless.
     
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    This was a case where "Offense wins Championships"

    After trailing 28-3 midway in the 3rd period the Patriots offense became unstoppable. They scored on their next 5 possessions to win the game. During those 5 possessions there were many critical plays. I count at least 12 that go the Patriots way on offense. They needed every one. The defense only had a few during that stretch. The defense held them scoreless at the end but without those 5 scoring drives the Patriots are history.

    Even the OT screams "Offense wins Championships"

    Patriots win the toss, take the ball and score the winning TD.
    Defense had nothing to do with it.

    Even the Super Bowl win several years ago against the Seahawks was similar. Brady became unstoppable at the end of that game also. Without Brady there is no goal line stand in that game.
     
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    Game plan from Pats locker room for SB LI

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    Per: USA Today
     
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    Without the 5 scoring drives to end the game the Patriot loose in a blowout.

    Just because a game plan preaches your philosophy doesn't mean the game actually came down to it
     

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