No extra 6th round pick from the Colts

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  1. Nublar7

    Nublar7 Retired Finheaven VIP

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    http://www.indystar.com/article/201...igson-has-no-regrets-bringing-CB-Vontae-Davis

    So we won't be getting the extra 6th round pick because overall for the Colts Davis was a disappointment and couldn't stay healthy.

    Miami still has 9 total draft picks at this moment, but expect that to grow with a compensatory pick(s).
     
  2. SQuinn17

    SQuinn17 League Dominator

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    Vontae disappoints yet again.
     
  3. Danny

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    Awesome trade Ireland.....NOT

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  4. MP-Omnis

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    Crap. Oh well. I thought the conditions would be based on draft order. Vontae is such a failure.

    Hey, at least now we know why Ireland was so supportive of Vontae and really willing him to do well in Indy. LOL.
     
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    2413fanphins A True Fan

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    So ireland gets roasted now for trading a player who cant stay healthy and see the field????

    Too bad we dont keep and throw a bunch of guys out there who are hurt and dont play.... i'll bet wed be real competitive....smh
     
  6. Danny

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    Well, he drafted him in the first place while passing on better players....used a 1st round pick on him and got a 2nd in return. Now you guys want to defend that too?.....gave up a couple of 2's for Marshall and got a couple of 3's.....you guys want to defend that? The guy has no clue. Why is that so hard to see for 10% of the people on this board?. The other 90% of us can see it and so can the rest of the NFL.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  7. shago1594

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    Davis was drafted by Tuna
     
  8. MO Dolphan

    MO Dolphan Rookie

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    If Davis would have played two games this year and retired, Ireland would get roasted by some because Davis didn't get to retire as a Dolphin. Miami traded a good, but inconsistent and injury-plagued player, for a second-round draft pick. I likes it!
     
  9. josekareh

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    Our secondary couldn't stay healty either... so a 2nd round was a pretty good deal!!!
     
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    Davis not on the team but still having a negative impact - great!

    Danny, you might be correct with the facts but at least Ireland has been able to salvage something rather than getting nothing in return. Time to focus your energy on believing on the way forward. We're due some quality picks to make some real success in 2013.
     
  11. Strangeworld

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    Jeffy "Buy high sell low" Ireland strikes again
     
  12. The Omen

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    The Ireland hate is getting REAAAAAAAAL OLD!

    we keep Jake Long who is injured - "Ireland is an idiot!"
    Marshall gets injured - "Ireland is an idiot"
    We trade away VD for a 2nd round pick who gets injured for the colts - "Ireland is an idiot"

    I swear I hear less bitching and moaning in a pre-school class.
     
  13. iambanned

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    What rubs me raw about this is that Davis did come back this season and has been making plays, and WILL make plays in the playoffs. The guy is a top-echelon cover corner and, when healthy, can take out a WR for almost a whole game. Davis was and is significantly better than Sean Smith and when the ball is in the air, Vontae could actually locate it. I got mad that he was in poor condition but probably had motivation issues playing for that clown Sparano on a team going nowhere. Had we kept him he probably would've gotten back to top form by the 4th week and we probably win that game against Arizona and maybe some against Indy too (when Smith made one of the worst CB plays ever).
     
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    The only player we lost was Langford.
     
  16. Danny

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    Ok, that's a fair response and yes, he did get something in return. I just wish he had not drafted him to begin with. The guy was trouble off the field just like his brother. As far as we're due to get some picks right, well, we have not drafted well in years. Not just Ireland but even before Ireland. We have not have a great draft since JJ's first year as HC.

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  17. The Omen

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    I think cpmpensatory picks are based on FA we lose signed by other teams based on where we drafted them vs the FA we pick up, it's a formula not many know for sure but have a general idea of...

    We lost Henne - 2nd rounder and k. Langford - 3rd rounder...
     
  18. miamiron

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    Sounds like Obamas campaign
     
  19. Danny

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    lmao

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    Gotta say I'd feel much more comfortable being part of the 10% than the 90, particularly when we're talking about nfl fans.

    I'm sure there's a whole lotta blame that can be assigned to the player that didn't live up the his potential, the coaches that couldn't coax it out of him, and the GM who failed on his psychoanalysis. But there's no denying the kid had talent and if things had gone the right way could be one of the best in the league.....and may still become one of the best.

    I don't see how anyone can criticize the Indy trade. To get a 2nd rounder for a guy that wasn't going to be re-signed and spent the majority of his time in street clothes.....what more could you ask for?
     
  21. The Omen

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    Not being a Homer but last years drafted looks like it yeilded us a Franchise QB and starting LT, along with a decent RB and pass rushing DE from the U...
     
  22. Danny

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    hey dude, this you get your name from an Iron Maiden song?

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    Performance and contract......dunno if either got paid enough or did enough on the field to merit consideration of a higher pick. My guess would be one 5th, one 6th.
     
  24. Phinatic8u

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    LOL @ Davis being a top cover corner.

    Dude got abused even when healthy this year.
     
  25. rent this space

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    When Vontae is focused and playing the best of his ability, he can be a top corner. He just doesn't do that every day
     
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    Yup.... was that or "Still Life"
     
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    Maybe the shouldnt have spent a first round pick pick om him to begin with.
     
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    Always the excuse for Ireland. A bit convenient..
     
  29. crumpdaddy

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    i liked vontae, i always thought he was pretty good when he was sober and healthy. physical corner i liked that, but you cant knock the trade overall, yes we get a low 2nd for a first round pick. im not taking the effort to look up every draft in miami history cause i want to retire to couch, but im sure we have quite a few missed 1st round picks in our entire generation as a team that we've gotten a heckuva lot less for than a 2nd round pick. if we got a 2nd round pick for every 1st rounder than pan out for us our gms over the last 40+ years would look like geniuses. like i said, i liked vontae, obviously the coaches didnt see him as a fit for this program and we got something out of him. it sounded like we had to work for the 2nd so be happy. not praising ireland, but we got at least something out of him, compared to what, allowing him to walk this offseason and getting nothing from him other than maybe 13 games. think we would've been an RFA this offseason and considering we didnt want him i wouldnt forsee us retaining him
     
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    That is the reason he's gone. He only played good when HE wanted to. Ability, potential.... Shoulda, woulda, coulda, didn't.
     
  33. JakeMcAwful

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    Honestly, Ireland did a good enough job squeezing out the 2nd rounder from that trade. Wasn't the first offer a 5th round pick and he worked it all the way up to a 2nd and conditional 6th? I feel like we were the winning side of this trade to be honest.
     
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    I saw Maiden in Tampa last year.....love them....my 2nd favorite band. You can guess who's number 1....lol

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  35. Danny

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    Well, time will tell. I like Tanny and I like Miller. Martin has potential......Veron plays hard which I like but I'm not sure he'll ever be more than just solid. At least for what I've seen, he's not the pass rusher we need on the other side of Wake.I hope I'm wrong cause he does play hard.

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    .. And Ireland is the stench of Tuna.
     
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    Yes, but we likely signed players who were given equal contracts and possibly started all season. I'm guessing you're just not understanding how compensatory selections work, moreso than disagreeing that we won't get a pick.

    Marshall not playing much (starting/playing 4 games), while Langford started all 16 games. Marshall got a 3/16 while Langford got a 4/24.

    It's very, very likely that Miami is getting at the VERY least a 6th round pick, possibly a 5th depending how they view playing time vs contract.
     
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    i fixed your post for you.
     
  39. roy_miami

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    Yep, you can't blame Ireland for not realizing depth is important, it is his first year as gm afterall. Rookie gm-ing mistake, hopefully lesson learned.
     
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    Vontae has more INTs, almost as many tackles and PDs in 6 fewer games. If he's been a disappointment, what the hell is Sean Smith?

    Vontae got off to a slow start and battled injuries as anyone would expect from a DB who changed teams after training camp. As he's learned the system and gotten into shape he's gotten much better throughout the year. He's going into the playoffs as defensive player of the week. It's a rare Colts fan who is regretting that trade now as they'll have a 5 year NFL starter turning 25 and making less than 2 mil starting for them next year.
     

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