Now that Starks is tagged I think we need to move Odrick to a 3-4 team

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  1. phinatic1399

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    I though all along that if Starks was allowed to walk then we could easily kick Odrick inside to replace him. But now that starks has been tagged I think our best bet would be to see if we can find an interested team that runs a 3-4 and maybe we can get a 3rd-5th round pick for odrick. Then we can maybe sign a true 4-3 DE or draft one like dion jordan or something. What u guys think?
     
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    I think they will just leave him at 4-3 DE where he was last year and look to add a 3rd down pass rush specialist. He will probably kick inside on passing downs as well. Thats what I would do. Starks and Big Paul are both going to be FA next year as of now so keeping Odrick around is pretty important IMO.
     
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    If somehow we could get Dion Jordan or Mingo I'm all for it, but I don't think it will happen. Furthermore, I don't understand why some ppl want Werner at 12 when his skill set is exetremely similiar to Odrick's. But if Odrick loses all that weight, he may become a little more explosive.
     
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    No, tagging Starks means that the team wants to keep the strong defensive line together. We had one of the top front fours in the league last year, why break up a good thing? I think we need to add another player to the mix not take one away.
     
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    I would shop Big Paul for a 2013 second- and a 2014 third-rounder. He's at his max potential value and a FA next season. Someone like Minny would pull the trigger, I bet.

    If we don't, it raises certain questions for me about the FO's faith in Odrick.
     
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    i seriously doubt you'd get that kind of compensation for paul solia...more likely a single 3rd rounder...not even sure you'd get a 2...

    doesn't offer enough pass rush and isn't thought of as on the vince wilfork level around the league...
     
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    we need more of a pass rush coming from odricks side.
     
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    Nah. Keep him.
     
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    for what though? he ranked as one of the worst DE's by pff last year, we desperately need pass rush on that other side.
     
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    odrick is depth in case u lose solia and or starks next year...makes no sense to trade him right now...and you wouldn't get any real bang for your buck if you did so now anyways...if anything you'd be selling low...
     
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    We can't afford to throw any D-lineman away. We need DE's as it is.



    I don't get why people want to trade players just to trade them... And do what? draft a middle round rookie and expect him to start or back up a one year player in Vernon?? :rolleyes2:
     
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    because he is not a true 4-3 DE and we need more pass rush coming from that side, its really not to hard to figure out.
     
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    He played good last year.. He seemed fine in our Defensive scheme.


    We have so many holes why create more for no reason at all?
     
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    the most bang for miamis buck with odrick this year is put him in a rotation at de (mostly run downs and distances) and shift him inside in the nickle...and if you get an injury to solia or starks you have a step in starter and proper fit as a 43 dt...i would not ask him to lose a bunch of weight to play end...
     
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    HORRIBLE decision. If we add a DE he can still start at Nickel DT for Solaia. Nickel is on the field well over 50% of the game.
     
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    I'd still kick him inside with the Soliai and Starks contracts expiring. He was extremely ineffective on the end and think he's really out of position there.
     
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    Ireland stated one of his goals for this offseason was to improve the push up the middle. To me, this would seem to indicate that they'd look for a DE and move Odrick inside, not to the trade market. If anyone might be on the market, my money would be on Soliai.
     
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    Odrick is a solid rotation guy who will be difficult to trade at this point in time, not likely to get good value.
     
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    If we can get something quality in return than definitely. But I doubt we will.
    We should just move him inside as a 4-3 DT. His natural position imho.
    We will have an amazing 3 man rotation at DT with Soliai, Starks, and Odrick.

    Plus with Starks being tagged, might as well see what Odrick can do there this year.
    Imho Odrick has no business playing a 4-3 DE in the nfl, he's been real out of place.

    We only have Starks for one year now, and Odrick has never been at his natural position for us, I think it's perfect timing to move him to DT this year and see how he does.
    I think he's got some real potential.
     
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    Correct.
     
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    No way would he come that cheap.
     
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    I like the idea of Odrick playing DE and then rotating to DT on 3rd down. Vernon could develop into our other pass rusher.
     
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    Pathetic isn't it? Long gone! Davis gone! Now trying to fin a nitch for the next first round pick and if we can't he wouldn't even generate a low third or high forth round pick!
     
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    So we need to trade the primary back up to the DTs because he doesn't offer enough pass rush on the outside? I'm seriously glad you're not our GM...
     
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    Is McDaniel a free agent because if so we definitely can't afford to trade odrick because he will be getting alot of the reps that McDaniel got last year on the inside.
     
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    Franchising Randy probably means Mcdaniel is gone unless he takes a veteran minimum.
     
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    He's only one a one year deal but at a very reasonable 5.7 million . . . Vontae had 2 years left on his deal at like 1.3 million per and we only got a 2nd. Trust me, Paul isn't fetching more than a 3rd, if that. Plus he's already been franchised before so I believe his franchise rate would be higher than the normal for DT's. I think a team that trades for him would probably want a long term deal worked out.
     
  28. dlockz

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    Makes no sense to trade Odrick. Both Solai and Starks are under one year deals. Im tired of drafting guys high and then trading for much lower picks. odrick gets u no more than a 3rd at best
     
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    IDK about that. His value is extremely high right now, especially as a nose in a 3/4 scheme. You could be right but it wouldn't surprise me at all to get better.
     
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    If the Fins really like Jared Odrick . . . he's another guy you resign early at a discount and hope to get the best out of him when either Randy or Paul (or both) part next season. His value continues to be the highest with the Fins because A. We used a first rounder on him and B. He gets paid peanuts ($700,000).
     
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    Well he doesnt really get paid peanuts. He signed a 5 year 13 million dollar contract , much of what he makes is bonus and guarantees. His cap value for this season is 2 million which is pretty fair for what he has done. I think after this season if they feel good about him they should resign him. He is still under contract for 2 more years
     
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    The sad part about all of this is that we drafted Odrick in the first round - after passing on Dez Bryant, etc. And we are trying to "fit" this guy in somewhere so he can be an "ok" player for us? Or trade him for a 3rd round pick? Another Ireland medicore "value" special...
     
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    Repeat after me its all Parcells fault lol
     
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    Well see thats what I'm saying. Most of those guarantees have been paid out . . . so why trade the guy when he makes peanuts annually. His best value to us is right now.
     
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    oh really...what you think starks would command in trade if he was under contract for one more year??? i bet it's not more than a 3rd rounder...and solia has been primarily a 2 down player...unlike starks
     
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    I agree trading another high draft pick for less than we put into him is beyond stupid at this point
     
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    We should keep Odrick and he should play DT. It's very important to have 3 DTs in a 4-3 that can rotate and stay fresh to get interior pressure on the QB. The middle of our defense is by far the strength of the team and we shouldn't ruin that.
     
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    If I got an offer I would do it.

    He's DT depth. You can find DT depth.
     
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    I could see Soliai going, seeing as he has a reasonable contract to trade at $6m/1y. There's not much of a chance of Odrick going anywhere, as Soliai and Starks are both 29, and their contracts expire after next season.
     
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    I like Odrick more as a 4-3 DT than as a 3-4 end, personally. His best destiny has always been as a one gap penetrating tackle who can get upfield but who also has enough strength to hold the point. He'll be much more effective this year as part of the rotation with Soliai and Starks, imo. Maybe the best 4-3 interior rotation in football.

    However we chose to address the cornerback position this offseason it's liable to be a weakness all year. Being stout up the middle against the run will those guys out a lot. I agree with CK that you can find DT depth but I'd hold onto them all in a rotation for at least another year until we can figure out what the hell we're doing at CB.

    What we need is an actual pass rushing threat on 3rd downs. Between Shelby and Vernon I think we can make it fly on run downs, but on third down neither one of those guys gives you all that much rushing the passer. Michael Johnson would have been a nice fit as a full time starter but I think he's going to get tagged if he hasn't already.

    I was all about taking Bruce Irvin with our second last year but of course the Seahawks ****ed that up. :lol:
     
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    i'll be surprised if the plan is to move odrick to only a rotating 43 dt with starks back...i think we can expect odrick at end an awful lot in 2013...this team needs a situational rusher with serious tools...

    ladies and gents i give you BARKEVIOUS MINGO!!!!
     
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    Idk Hoops. I'm really on the fence with Mingo.. I like the guys potential, but can he become that pass rusher we're looking for? I'm not really sure. He's pretty raw
     
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    If Ireland could resign Starks to 5 year deal then do it.

    If not, I'm pulling a (Pats)Richard Seymour deal and sending him to a contender for 2 1st round picks. The working shelf of DL-men stops around age 29-32.

    Move Odrick inside and double up on DE's in this being a deep DE draft.
     
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    Did you hypothetical include us SENDING Jared Odrick away in return for 2 1st round picks?
     
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    This thread is absurd pretty much from beginning to end. We aren't trading our top 3 DT's. We need them. One injury and and we are calling up Chas Alexcih.
     
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    DT depth? Like that did us any good when New England ran it down our throats in the 4th quarter last year!
     
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    Don't know why people want to get rid of him... he had 5 sacks last yea ...second on the team. This team was 7th in the league in sacks. He is getting better and should be OK next year... he was OK against the run and this team needs a lot more then another DE.... IMO wr,CB,te,and it are all bigger.needs.
     
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    Trade Solia,a team like Minny would be all over him.He is a 2 down player provides no push in passing game and garner alot of interest.Put him on the block and see what happens you probably lose him next year anyways, at least you get valu in return.It would be nice to have another 2nd rd pick this year all we had to do was dump Long now we get nothing.Get Odrick some p.t and see what he has.He is playing for nothing,if it turns out great,if not address it next year.Solia is great run stuffer but in todays nfl its all about stopping the pass.Take the pick from trade and get depth for line,you get younger and save 6.5 mil. on cap to use on cb or de help
     

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