Omar happy,Every Ryan Tannehill interception for 2012 article.

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  1. Phindog

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    :bobdole:

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/dolphins-blog/sfl-ryan-tannehill-cant-remain-nfls-worst-qb-on-third-downs-20130725,0,6524366.story





    Ryan Tannehill can't remain NFL's worst QB on third downs

    Ryan Tannehill's supporters have plenty of excuses for why he was a bottom-tier starting quarterback in the NFL last season.
    Tannehill was a rookie with 20 college starts at Texas A&M.
    Tannehill needed to become familiar with the speed of the NFL game.


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    Tannehill didn't have the best weapons around him as a rookie.
    The Dolphins didn't allow Tannehill to throw many passes in the red zone.



    [video=youtube;PlCocwkL_gc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlCocwkL_gc&feature=player_embedded[/video]
     
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    video put together by our own CK lol


    The ints last year really dont bother me
     
  3. Phindog

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    Yup,guess the rick-roll didnt hold up....
     
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    A rookie NFL QB who didn't have a great year...who knew?!?
     
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    Damn. If somebody hadn't put together that video, maybe the INTs would have never happened. Really harshes my training camp mellow.
     
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    can we forget the fact he threw 4 in one game in his very first start? no?
     
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    LOL. Total troll job by Omar.
     
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    Looking at the video I am reminded of the number of RT's interceptions that were tipped balls, the receiver didn't fight for the ball, potentially ran the wrong route, or fell down. The INT's will go down this year if for no other reason than we'll have a better receiving corps.
     
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    At least CK boned him on the sound:up:
     
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    tipped balls, and I know there were a couple garbage time throws also. so nearly half of his ints, I just write off as being flukes or unimportant.
     
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    cant excuse the tipped balls, that's still RTs fault.
     
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    Except no, not really.

    More often than not it's the offensive lineman's fault for not getting the defender's hands down combined with bad luck.
     
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    But blown coverage means no credit...
     
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    Remember Tannehill had nine games without an interception, eight if you don't count the Jets game where he got hurt early. He Has plenty of tape showing he can protect the ball.
     
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    Seemed like a lot of cover 3 interceptions. Guys playing flats sneaking under his throws.
     
  16. Phindog

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    Omar is so cheap and desperate that he even outsourced the video production to CK (who I am sure wasn't compensated in any way) rather than doing his own work or getting the video guys at SS to work on this. And he even went with the Rick Roll intro.

    How unprofessional...
     
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    I refuse to read Omar's crap but I am willing to bet he doesn't mention or thank ck for doing the leg work!
     
  19. Phindog

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    The video itself was nicely done, our lack of weapons and receiver separation was obvious.Play calling and lack of creativity had some low points too.

    This year should be much improved.
     
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    2 years playing wr in college 19 college starts 16 pro starts 13 ints as a rookie and this dumb *** is making videos throwing tanny under the bus...guys just so bad...peyton damn manning threw 27 picks as a rookie...

    not to mention tanny was playing with barely nfl 53 man roster skill position talent at wr...

    whatever...haters gonna hate...
     
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    The excuse making on this thread is legendary....
     
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    Omar refuses to do the work himself, asks CK to do him a "favor" and doesn't credit CK at all in the article for putting the video together. Telling.
     
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    well then lay it on us...give me something other than deep ball poor placement as a rookie to explain your stance also...

    i'd like some meat and damn potatoes...
     
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    You would think Omar would have given credit where it was due. At least AS at the Herald gives credit to film made by another. BV used to as well before he left PBP.
     
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    Omar Kelly likes to get on his "holier than thou" soap box and preach perspective to everybody UNTIL it's time to drive his agenda or prove he knows more than you.

    His agenda is to tell everyone how bad Ryan Tannehill is. If this was one of his "mancrush" alums, he'd be screaming at you about how a ton of all pros don't do much their rookie year, be patient, go to the corner, blank stare, I wanna blow Jay Z all night, give me tips how to cook my salmon because I work out, etc...etc...etc...
     
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    3 of those picks were tip balls in the opener at the los...whatever they're learning tools...you don't face jj freakin watt the swat every day...i knew he'd be in throwing lanes...he picked a ball off andy dalton the year prior jumped up in the air and just caught it clean hell the guy jumps over 59 inch tables for gods sakes...he's gonna tip balls...the other was a poor route for starters by one of those scrub wrs we had at the time and a ball he shouldn't have thrown probably but a learning tool none the less...

    against buffalo at the end of the game he threw 2 picks down the field one of which jarius byrd dove full out extended to get his hands on and somehow when he hit the ground the ball didn't pop up in the air...great play by byrd tip your cap...

    i know of one pick he threw i think it was against tennessee where fasano just got out fought for the ball let a guy take it from him...he threw 2 picks i know of off pa rolling right and trying to hit fasano thinking the safety who was i thnk was playing a zone would continue to drop and instead he came up in front of fasano for the pick...ok it happens...tanny read it wrong

    a pick against tennessee also the lb i think it was showed blitz at the los tanny thought he would come after the snap and he just dropped right into the inside throwing lane...i mean rookies do that folks...it happens

    those are just off the top of my head...i haven't watched the video

    i bet you omar doesn't have a damn clue what he's looking at when he reviews that video from a lot of different aspects...not a damn clue
     
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    There were a couple of poor throws on rollouts where I think he trusted his arm a little too much (Jets game, Seahawks game). The out route in the Cardinals game was a poor decision, but he was still getting used to the speed of the defenders in the NFL. The Patriots game was a bad decision if he is trying to make it to Matthews, but he had that pressure right in his face and on second look it looks like wanted Hartline but the ball sailed on him. His second interception in the Titans game was a bad decision where he took the second best throw available to him and threw a 50/50 ball rather than checking down to Daniel Thomas. The interception in the Bills game was poor placement, but Bess didn't even look for the ball or else that's a catch.


    Just saw your most recent post. One of the rollout plays was actually the linebacker dropping into zone and undercut the route. Great read by the LB.
     
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    it's 16 damn games you need to have more ammo than that...not gonna have much more cause he only threw 13 total...
     
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    Oh I don't disagree with you. I'm playing devil's advocate here. If he has 6-7 bad throws/decisions all year, I am beyond happy with that.
     
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    thank you...banging on the kid for not having great vertical accuracy as a rookie despite no real option ok i can get that...even though we knew he wasn't a finished product when we put him out there...but banging on a handful of bad decisions with the ball as a rookie...omar can suck it
     
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    Omar Kelly is a Journalist. He's doing his ****ing job. I thought you guys loved that pessismistic point of view. Just because he ain't drinking the 14 different qb to start since Marino retired, don't mean the sky is falling. He just like Pete Prisco, are missing the most important trait of Ryan, which is the ability to recognize what coverage the Defense is in, and setting his protection correctly. Furthemore, Tannehill constant stride to make sure there's no wasted plays, and to always get the perfect adjustments based on the situation. For that alone he's Brady esque. But only timw will tell.
     
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    He's got nothing but baloney and 3 week old stale potato chips.
     
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    huh....After watching that I actually feel better about those picks. Only maybe 3 of those were ill advised throws. Both pick 6's were not good, but not horrible. Fasano let his man get in front of him on the jets pick 6, although tanny did throw too late. The worst throw I thought he made all year got called back for roughing the passer against the seachickens.
     
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    The Jets pick six bothered me the most and the Cardinal or Ram Int. Tanny was hitting tight windows as early as game 2 and more than once in every game,you lose sometimes on those.He knows he threw a few balls late,they know it when the ball leaves their hand most of the time.
     
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    There is a difference between excuse and explanation. I will admit it can be a gray area but if you aren't willing to acknowledge that then you are being just as biased as an "excuse" maker.
     
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    CK - why did you put this together for this a..hole? I wouldn't do anything for him including reading his garbage.
     
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    We have a working relationship. Keep in mind, things have been rocky between us in the past and we're not afraid to disagree with each other pretty strongly, but he has his role he plays for the Sun Sentinel and I think once I kind of accepted that perspective on things I started to understand him a little better. I do actually think the pendulum has swung maybe a little bit too far the other way, people hating him for reasons that aren't even good anymore.

    Simon and I have done a lot of work for the Sun Sentinel. I don't mind getting along with everyone on staff there. I'm not out to make enemies. Think of me like an Ethan Skolnick. I'm just here to chill and do my work.

    ---------- Post added at 09:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:50 AM ----------

    Besides, how could I pass up a chance to Rick Roll thousands of people?
     
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    Didn't Tannehill have a Dolphins rookie record for consecutive passes without an INT last year?
     
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    Found the article from Sun-Sentinel no less.

    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...-qb-tannehill-ryan-tannehill-richard-marshall

    No question Omar has an agenda here.
     
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    He's a tool actually. Not what you said.
     
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    Here's what I saw in some of those picks.

    Minor mistakes, major consequences. Then you also spice in some major mistakes.

    I see a pick where Brian Hartline falls down on a comeback, which is a timing route that Tannehill has to throw with TRUST. You don't blame that on Ryan Tannehill. Not one iota.

    I see one pick, looks TO ME like he's trying to hit Hartline in the flat, but he holds the ball just a tad too long and the pass protection is not cooperating AT ALL so he gets slammed heavily while he's throwing, causing the ball to sail on him and voila...ball ends up looking like it was intended for Rishard Matthews in double coverage and it's picked off. Minor mistake, major consequence.

    I see one pick where J.J. Watt steers or stunts right into the passing lane just as the ball is coming and he gets his hands up. I know there are things Tannehill can do to prevent that, but I'm not sure it wouldn't hurt more for him to be over-conscious of that. Sometimes, you just have to chalk that up.

    On the other hand, I see two more picks (one another J.J. Swatt) where Tannehill had every reason to know that those passing lanes were being covered at the line. What do you chalk that up to? Inexperience. Youth. Sometimes for a young guy there are only so many things you can process at once.

    I see a pick where Tannehill probably should have seen the corner squatting a tad bit aggressively on the square-in, but Legedu Naanee ultimately needs to run through that route and shield the football with his body. Legedu did much worse on that play than Tannehill.

    I see another pick where Anthony Fasano runs a poor route against Akeem Ayers and then just plain gets out-muscled for a 50/50 ball that he as a tight end should have won. Perhaps it was a mistake of being slightly over aggressive on Tannehill's part, but Fasano's mistake was much bigger IMO.

    I see a pick against Jairus Byrd where Ryan Tannehill had the right idea, he just forgot one slight step. He needed to look off Jairus Byrd and freeze him toward the middle. He forgot to do that, so Byrd had an extra step on the ball, and that's the difference between a big catch and a highlight reel interception.

    I see a couple of instances where offensive predictability is measurable. There's a corner squatting on Legedu's route at the beginning. Why is that? Predictability. J.J. Watt's pop-ups he got by predicting the passing lane and being allowed free access to get there. Why was he able to do that? Predictability. Zach Brown's fake-blitz where he dropped back perfectly into the hot read passing lane, how was he able to do that? Because the game planning showed a trend with the Dolphins' hot reads and he was able to predict the passing late of the hot route. Adrian Wilson of the Cardinals squatted on the out route and undercut the passing lane, and how did he do that? Offensive predictability.

    Other plays, I see Tannehill just guilty of the thing you see out of a lot of strong armed, aggressive quarterbacks. Over confidence. Trying to squeeze a ball into a tight window. He tries to squeeze a ball in to Hartline against the Jets as he's rolling to the sideline. He did the same exact thing against the Seahawks. He tries to squeeze a ball into a real tight window over the middle to Davone Bess against the Buffalo Bills. Like I said before, he tried to squeeze one into Fasano in tight coverage. To some extent, the ball that sailed on him against the Patriots was over confidence as well, sensed the guy about to hit him but thought he could get the ball where he wanted it to go even with odd leverage and an aborted throwing motion.

    That's just a quarterback having too much confidence in his throwing ability and throwing aggressively into tight windows. YOU LIVE WITH THAT, if you want good quarterback play, IMO. Unless you've got Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. That's one of the things that makes them so unique. But they're Hall of Famers. Two of the best ever.
     
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    The fact that he has gone to such lengths to try and kill the excitement about the upcoming year, proves that this guy has gone beyond troll and straight to Gremlin.

    Here he is crying over Tannehill.

    [​IMG] GIFSoup

    Again, why is he employed?
     
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    i haven't watched the video yet but i think you nailed it...i will tonight at some point...and i think there's not much there to bang the kid on considering it was his first year as a starter and hell 19 college starts...i would have expected more mistakes frankly given the talent around him and the lack of games in college playing the position...

    i didn't have any issue with tannehills play as a rookie..it was much better than i expected in year one...
     
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    So basically he made rookie mistakes? Who would ever have expected that from a rookie?


    Good post CK
     
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    I'd ask for a list of Omar's mistakes but I'm not sure the internet is that big to hold it............................

    IMO, Tannehill had to attempt passes that were not really there because of us only having one WR last season.
     
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    Exclusive behind-the-scenes video of Omar & Armando watching "film":

    [video=youtube;RN16Wgp48MI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN16Wgp48MI[/video]
     
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    I looked at the overall interceptions, remembered that tannehill went several games in a row without an interception as a rookie, and interception wise only three dolphins quarterbacks had similar stretches, and none of them were rookies. (fielder, griese, and of course pennington).
     
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    I was concerned after Arizona but the kid seemed to right the ship and finish the year playing pretty darn good TD/int wise.

    Considering what we had at WR other than Hartline and Bess I think he played well and should be much improved this season.
     
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    This would have been better served as a Feb,March article,not a pre-camp late July 2013 article,the timing seems out of place.Plus I see Omar's "kill" words in the article.

    Uses excuses instead of reasons

    Omar's "kill" words in bold


    By Omar Kelly
    Sun Sentinel
    7:22 a.m. EDT, July 25, 2013

    Ryan Tannehill can't remain NFL's worst QB on third downs

    Ryan Tannehill's supporters have plenty of excuses for why he was a bottom-tier starting quarterback in the NFL last season.

    Tannehill was a rookie with 20 college starts at Texas A&M.

    Tannehill needed to become familiar with the speed of the NFL game.
    Tannehill didn't have the best weapons around him as a rookie.

    The Dolphins didn't allow Tannehill to throw many passes in the red zone.
    ALL of these excuses are accurate!

    I've heard them all, and you've probably used them all to prop up the player South Florida hopes will become the Miami Dolphins' franchise quarterback.

    But the excuses aren't important, or relevant for the 2013 season. What's relevant is what the Dolphins' second-year starter is doing to improve his 76.1 passer rating, which had him ranked the 27th best passer in 2012, and how he'll produce a winning record as Miami's starting quarterback.

    PLENTY of improvement is needed considering Tannehill was the WORST third down passer in the NFL last season.

    On football's MOST CRITICAL DOWN Tannehill completed 85-of-144 (59%) of his passes for 946 yards, throwing three touchdowns and seven interceptions.

    -------------------------------------------

    You'd think he was talking about a 4th year player:bobdole:
     
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    Omar often writes/tweets solid football observations, but they're routinely buried between ridiculous, hypocritical statements, as well as biased opinions he attempts to present as facts. For that reason, I can't take him seriously.

    While discussing Tanny's 2012 interception tape, a follower asks, "Is it encouraging that Tannehill only threw 1 interception in his final 5 games?" Omar responds with something similar to, "Maybe if he had won more games."

    Haha, seriously? Are we evaluating Tannehill's decision making or his ability to carry an offense on his shoulders? At any given time, he'll change the measurement tool in order to support his agenda.

    It's funny to me, because at this time last year, Omar couldn't stop praising Garrard, a player who had a solid career but was clearly on his last legs. Tannehill's already better than that version of DG.
     

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