Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CRIOS, Jun 13, 2010.
Overrated: Pat White
Underrated: Lousaka Polite
Overrated.... Channing Crowder
I dont think Pat White is overrated by a single poster on this board.
Overrated: Ronnie Brown damn good back but injury prone and not the elite back many on this board make him out to be.
One crack of a 1000 yards in 5 years is far from elite production.
Underrated Davone Bess continually gets the job done and 130 receptions in two seasons.
expanding it to the organization: overrated - Sparano (line coach in over his head), Misi (for the moment), Henne (a LOT to prove before should be mentioned in same breath as Marino, tyvm), Crowder (finished, bye).
Pat White overrated? :lol:
Even he knows he sucks.
overrated - merling
underrated - starks
He does suck. That's why he is overrated. There are people that still think he has the goods...he's an overrated player.
I agree he does suck. He doesn't have any tools in my mind to become a decent QB at the least. So I am with you that he is way overrated even though he is a young player.
Overrated: Ronnie Brown
Underrated: Ronnie Brown
Overrated : Vontae Davis
Underrated : Vernon Carey
Overrated Channing Crowder
Underrated Sean Smith
Underrated, easy, Marino.
After all he has done, people still put him behind Elway, Montana or Kelly, break my heart.
Overrated...Shula, after 1980. Had Marino for over ten years and still can not get us a ring. ( OK, Shula was not a player, but had to throw that in ).
Randy Starks (even though he went to the ProBowl)
Yeremiah Bell (even though he went to the ProBowl)
Jake Grove (because of health)
Well you have to give Shula credit for his dominating 70's teams which put us on map but I can see where you are going.
I guess we could say the same for bill parcells who hasnt won anything in almost 2 decades
Overrated on the board.
Misi everyone pencils him in already.
Overrated by media
Underrated by the board.
Underrated by media
Overrated: Charlie Anderson, Jake Grove
Underrated: Kendall Langford, Brandon Fields
Blonds do have more fun...but...the dudes that love 'em have even more fun. Nice hooters!
Overrated: Donald Thomas
Underrated: Greg Camarillo
Based on last year players still on the team on offence
overated- Fasano (TE he just never got it together last year) (It would be Ginn Jr if he was still around)
underrated- Ronnie Brown (RB Ronnie can carry the entire offence when he stays healthy. Each year when Ronnie goes down the offense starts sputterinig)
Overrated- Merling (This high draft pick has been on the field enought just has not gotten it done.) (It would be Joey Porter if he was still around followed by G Wilson)
Under-rated- Channing Crowder (I might get murdered by many of you but like Ronnie Brown when Crowder was out the defence got pushed off the ball quite often) Starks would be my 2nd choise followed by Ferg.
Overated-Jake Long and Karlos Dansby
Underated-Charlie Anderson, Greg Camarillo, and Lousaka Polite
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Fasano overrated auto spell sucks
Overrated: Mark sanchez
Underrated: Gulf Oil Spill
Hahahahaha... What makes you think this? The two pro bowls he has been voted to werent enough. Let me guess, we shoulda drafted Matt Ryan... HAHAHA
I'm dying to hear you reasoning behind these selections. One of Miami's best players is "overrated" and one of Miami's worst players is "underrated" LOL!
Is he anything like :bumpus:
On this Board:
Overrated: Bess. Lots of catches, but also drops, fumbles, muffed punts and little YAC.
Underrated: Camarilio. Not much speed, but no drops, no fumbles, ultra reliable.
Overrated: Jared Odrick, Koa Misi, John Jerry, A.J. Edds, Nolan Carroll, Reshad Jones, Chris McCoy, Austin Spitler (ie. every rookie), Vontae Davis, Karlos Dansby, Brandon Marshall, Charlie Anderson
Underrated: Greg Camarillo, Chad Pennington, Pat Cobbs, Donald Thomas, Joe Berger, Randy Starks, Paul Soliai, Channing Crowder, Cameron Wake, Sean Smith, Yeremiah Bell, Will Allen, Tyrone Culver
Overrated: Ronnie Brown, Channing Crowder
Underrated: Greg Camarillo, Tyrone Culver
Underrated: Jake Grove - one little mention that his job may be in jeopardy and everyone immediately starts acting like he's a scrub. he's a pro bowl caliber center when healthy.
Honorable Mentions: Will Allen (I think most have forgotten he's on the team), Anthony Fasano (first priority is blocking, which he excels at), Greg Camarillo (treated as an after-thought)
Overrated: Brian Hartline - I hope he can develope into a good #2....but I think that people tend to overrate where he is right now.
Honorable Mentions: Tim Dobbins, Richie Incognito (people automatically think they are upgrades over the incumbants)
He's never healthy. That's the problem.
how is Randy Starks underrated at this point? in the thread about the best players on the team he typically finished as the 2nd, 3rd or 4th best player on the team.
he played in 12 of 16 games.
so 75% = never?
it's this type of overexageration that makes him underrated.
Huh? Wow to some of the responses coming out of these threads.. At least we all know who are the knowledgeble finfans and who still need to learn about the players on this team...
Just a little FYI - Bess led the league last year in percentage of passes caught, with around 83%... Camarillo was 2nd or 3rd behind him with around 81%...
There are a lot of people out there that question whether he can play the NT position very well. He's just not being discussed as the kind of player that he actually is. This is our Richard Seymour, Kevin Williams, Darnall Dockett, etc...he's that caliber a player. He's not just 2nd, 3rd or 4th best on the team. He might well be 2nd, 3rd or 4th best in the league at his position.
You're just looking at one season. Look at his career numbers. He's only played a full 16 game season just once in his career.
Kind of an ironic statement considering he's actually 100 percent correct.
Davone Bess dropped 7 passes in 2009, according to PFF. There were 47 WRs that caught 50 or more passes. Among them, Bess ranked 12th for most drops-to-receptions.
Yeah, the guy had some drops, just as walt said. He went through a period in the season where he kept dropping the ball or fumbling it, it was downright weird.
You are correct, somewhat.. Yes, he had a portion of the season where he had the dropsies, however the post seems to illustrate that Bess has a problem with dropped passes consistently, which he does not. Those who lead the league in percentage of balls caught; we do not have to worry about them dropsies. Players like Edwards or Ginn you equate with someone who drops the ball, not a player like Bess... Ill put my money on Bess everytime
Fixed that for you.
Ck im curious as to why you feel Marshall is overrated.
Here you are.. Now its fixed...
As for the consistency of Bess' drops...let's go into that.
I said that he ranked #12 out of 47 when it comes to Drop Percentage among WRs with 50+ catches. His Drop Percentage was 8.43%, meaning he dropped 7 balls and caught 76 ( DrpPct = 7 / (7 + 76) ).
So what do you think it was in 2008, his rookie year? If you believe that the drops in 2009 were an abberation I think you would say lower, right? But in 2008 he dropped 5 balls and caught 54 others, which means his Drop Percentage was 8.47%....pretty much identical to 2009.
So, I don't know exactly what walt was trying to insinuate...he would have to tell you that. But, if he was trying to say that Davone Bess is overrated because, despite his reputation for having such great hands, he actually has consistently dropped the ball more often than most players at his position that get thrown the ball as often as him...then walt would be 100 percent correct.
As for this catch percentage you're talking about, it's a very, very muddy statistic. The fact of the matter is Davone Bess is a slot receiver and he catches the ball on average something like 5.5 yards off the line of scrimmage (5.47 to be more exact) and the chances of an inaccurate ball go WAY down when you're only throwing the ball 5 yards off the line of scrimmage. All slot receivers will tend to have much higher catch percentages than guys that work on the outside. Not only are they closer to the QB by virtue of starting off in the slot more often as opposed to outside the numbers, but the guys outside the numbers tend to get the ball thrown to them farther off the line of scrimmage.
Overrated: Hartline ( Had a great rookie yr, look out for the 2nd yr slump)
Underrated: Channing Crowder ( Dansby will make him shine this yr, along with the young LB's nipping at his heels)
CK is laying it down haha
Im not going to put any rookies in for over/under I dont feel you can be overrated or underrated until you actually step onto the NFL field.
Overated: Fasano, this guy needs to step it up.
Chris Clemons, he needs to prove himself and to many people think he is starting FS quality before he has done anything.
Donald Thomas, maybe is was just a temp. slump, I know he had injuries (chest),but he didnt perform in pass protection at all.
Underated: Jason Allen, yes he has switched between every secondary posistion it seems and could not get a started role which is horrible for a 1st round pick but ive come to accept what he will be, a good special team player who can fill in at CB is needed. He did a great job on Welker last year and has played pretty good on special teams.
Eric Walden: Again, underated it what he does for this team, the guy is our special team ace in my opinion, and he really helped turn our special teams around.
Vernon Carey: It easy to be overshadowed when one of the best tackles in the game is on the otherside of the line. There is a reason why this man got paid though, he is a GREAT right tackle.
It's just the nature of high profile acquisitions. Interest is so high and the off season so long that these high profile acquisitions are talked about and talked about until everyone is convinced that the team picked up a god, and then there's usually some air that gets let out when everyone discovers that he's not a god, just a football player, and one that happens to be maybe just a little bit better than most of the other guys.
Look how negative the reaction was to Joey Porter his first year here, and the very next year it looked like he was threatening the single season sack record.