Patriots are low on draft picks while the phins are loaded with picks

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  1. phinatic1399

    phinatic1399 Diehard Phinatic!

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    PATRIOTS:
    First round:
    Own
    Second round: Own
    Third round: Own
    Fourth round: None (traded away to Tampa Bay in Aqib Talib trade)
    Fifth round: None (traded away to Washington in Albert Haynesworth trade)
    Sixth round: None (trade away to Cincinnati in Chad Johnson trade)
    Seventh round: Own, Tampa Bay's (acquired in Aqib Talib trade)

    So basically they have a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a 7th while we have a 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 6th, 7th

    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-..._/id/4733604/re-setting-pats-2013-draft-picks
     
  2. Wishfishin

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    Numbers look good now but I'd bet Belichick gathers a few more in trades and on draft day.
     
  3. Chubby

    Chubby SUPERFAN

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    He sucks at drafting anyways. Not sure where his fame for drafting started, guy may be good trading picks for more picks but is not that great at drafting.
    Chubbs
     
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    He's fantastic at establishing value for each and every one of his draft picks, and that is fine, but I think Belichick is realizing this draft simply isn't that talented.

    Miami would absolutely be better off trading away their extra picks for future picks. Or trading up for quality players. I'm just not seeing the depth from 30-90 that I saw in 2010 and 2011. Granted, some of the guys I really liked have far from "panned out" so maybe it can go the opposite this way as well...

    but I'm really hoping we trade our extra 2nd for a future 1st, or our extra 3 for a future 2.
     
  5. Chubby

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    LOL this has nothing to do with him analyzing the talent of this draft. He is not that smart, stop giving him that much credit.

    He keeps trading his picks because he realizes his team is not as good as he thought and is trying to makeup for his poor drafting by trading for players.
    Chubbs
     
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    Took the words right out of my mouth. He does suck at drafting. With all those picks he's had his defense should have been reloaded a long time ago. He can't draft Wrs and it took him drafting like 6 TE before he hit in Hernandez and Gronk..
     
  7. Chubby

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    he hit a homerun with Gronk and Hernandez but thats about it really. Even his drafting of Spikes is nothing spectacular, SPIKES was a 1st round talent and people got to finicky with his lack of speed, More shame on the rest of the NFL then anything.

    Here is
     
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    Would be interested in the progress of Mallett right now....hmm....

    As for our strategy, I would encourage trading one of our (2) 2nd's & one of our (2) 3rd rounder picks this year for a 1st and a 2nd next year.
    That is fair value that would give us 2 1st's and 2 2nd's the following year.
    Then I would trade one of those....and so on and so on.
    Build the future through the draft.
     
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    Ol' Billy blew my theory right out of the water. They continued to trade back and pick up extra 1st in the next year and I thought they would sit on those until this year and trade up to take a QB in round 1, a guy like Barkley to sit behind Brady for a few seasons before he heads into the sunset but they used them both up last draft so my theory was shot to hell.
     
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    It was the 199th overall pick in the 6th round, year 2000 draft class.
     
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    One position belicheck can't draft is CB. He's taken a fair few of those and recents years and his D still blows. If our draft this year goes the same as it looks last years is going there's going to be a lot to like. I really like the way this team is building. And i really give Ireland a lot of credit for this past draft and for getting great value for Davis.
     
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    More luck then anything bud... I prefer to look at the overall draft history to make my judgement.
    Chubbs
     
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    we have 2 7th round picks we traded ryan cook to dallas for a 7th
     
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    I am sure they will get comp picks or something in the future...

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    I'd have to agree w/ Chubbs on this.

    Bill Belichick's drafting sucks. You take away the Tom Brady pick from 12 years ago, and the Pats are an average team at best. He struck gold w/ Brady and gets credit for that, but it doesn't mean he's a great drafter. He's had tons of misses over the years. Every year he accumulated all these picks and most of his moves didn't net him anything.

    He did great w/ the TEs and has a keeper in Chandler Jones and possibly Hightower, but look at all these other high draft pick misses going back the last 6 years: Ras-I Dowling, Jermaine Cunningham, Taylor Price, Pat Chung, Ron Brace, Darius Butler, Brandon Tate, Tyrone McKenzie, Terrence Wheatley, Shawn Crable, Kevin O'Connell, Brandon Meriweather, Laurence Maroney, Chad Jackson, and David Thomas. ALL of these guys were picked between Rounds 1 - 3. And the jury is still out on Tavon Wilson (a total reach this year) and Jake Bequette from this year's draft and Shane Vereen and Ryan Mallett from last year. Brandon Spikes was a 2nd round pick and only plays on running downs...how's that any better than Koa Misi?

    The Patriots success all these years is due to one primary reason: Tom Brady.
     
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    Ya, I think he hit gold on Chandler too. Damn I wanted us to drafter Chandler arggggg :(
     
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    The perception is that he is great on draft day but the reality is that he is aggressive. You always seem to hear some news from New England regardless of weather it was a good move or not. It gives those guys in ESPN something to talk about which they love and is the reason they call him a genius during the draft. Ireland was aggressive last year and we loved it! I'm finally excited again and actually have some faith in Ireland...
     
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    As I said in reference to Ireland - it's funny how a franchise QB changes the opinion of the masses. The same applies to Belicheck
     
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    The Patriots have two 7th round picks which means they have 5 total, so it looks like this:

    1st - Own
    2nd - Own
    3rd - Own
    7th - Own
    7th - From Tampa Bay


    We only have one 6th round pick, but have two 7th round picks.

    1st - Own
    2nd - Own
    2nd - From Indianapolis
    3rd - Own
    3rd - From Chicago
    4th - Own
    5th - Own
    6th - From Indianapolis
    7th - Own
    7th - From Dallas
     
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    This makes me smile!
     
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    Brandon Spikes, Chandler Jones, Devin McCourty, Logan Mankins, Rob Gronkowski (round 2), Aaron Hernandez to name a few... I would say he knows what he is doing. All those trading for picks lands these kinds of players. As much as I hate the guy like you, he knows what he is doing, which is why the Patriots have been arguably the best team in the league for the last decade
     
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    Tom Brady is the reason why they've been the best team for the last decade.
     
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    The Patriots will probably be able to run the two 7th round picks into three top five picks next year. But seriously, teams make the stupidest trade with the Patriots. Unfortunately, they are pretty mediocre at drafting.
     
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    I think Belichek trading their picks for players is nothing more than him trying to cover holes on the team that leak like a sieve. They were not going to win a SB with the CB's they had. The talent level of QB's in the playoffs is just to good and they would have been able to pick that secondary apart. Also I think he is trying to gather as much talent for Brady to make one last push at the SB as fast as he can. This last year he went away from trading down to trading up to get better talent. I wouldn't be suprised if he did it again this year before. They are gonna need alot better/more productive players on the defensive side of the ball to strenthen that D before the Brady/Belicheck SB window is closed.
     
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    I agree with you, although I woudn't use McCourty to support your argument, he's terrible. There's also Jerod Mayo and Vince Wilfork, and going back farther you can point to Richard Seymour, Asante Samuel, both now starring elsewhere. Sure, he's had plenty of misses, but who hasn't?
     
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    Do we def know that its a 6th from Indy?
     
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    Bla bla bla bla. If he didn't draft Brady we wouldn't even consider him that smart. I bet he has a lot more misses than Ireland . It makes your life a lot easier when you keep missing in the draft. He is great at getting picks.
     
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    If you look at NE defenses since Carroll and Parcells picks have moved on or retired, you'll see they are not very good. Onthe offensive side Brady make those picks better then what they will be after Tom retires.

    Bottom line is Bellichek is a fraud. He'll ride Bradys coat tails to the HoF.
     
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    They're in "win now" mode. No need to save the picks with Brady being 35...his window is closing.
     
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    I SO effin love ANY negative Patriots talk on this site! The negativity is usually always towards the Jets.. I live up here in NewEngland surrounded by all these A-holes! I love how there's true signs, that the tides may be turning!!
     
  31. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    McCourty has regressed an insane amount since his Pro Bowl rookie season, same with Kyle Arrington. I wouldn't really call Spikes great either since their move to a 4-3. His weaknesses are really more noticeable now.

    But outside of getting Gronk and Hernandez (and you can probably throw Jones in there too when all is said and done) Billicheck hasn't really been a good drafter since Pioli went to KC and Dimitroff went to Atlanta... come to think of it, only Dimitroff of the 3 has been a decent drafter.
     
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    1 = one, not own.
     
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    A number of people have already said this but allow me to echo... Belicheat is not that great drafting players. No one can rival him at getting trade value for his picks. I think he knows his strangths and plays to them. He'll stock pile a number of picks and then use them for FA trade value. Maybe I'm wrong as I've never bothered to actually track the picks/players/trades involved but it's something I feel that I've observed casually.
     
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    Own = their own draft pick.

    Not one acquired from another team.
     
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    Playing n 5 superbowls, winning 3 of them, and dominating your division for a decade generally puts you in a 'he knows what he's doing' conversation.
     
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    In the AFC East the Dolphins have 10 picks, the Jets have 7 picks, the Bills have 6 picks and the Patriots have 5 picks.
     
  38. CRAZYDOLFAN305

    CRAZYDOLFAN305 We Are Still Going To The SB

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    You're right, but don't forget where he was before, the emergence of the greatest qb in this generation name Tom Brady, that probably has a lot to do with it.
     
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    He's a great coach that has established a tremendous atmosphere of winning. He finds players that buy into his way of doing things 110%. These guys go on to defend him at every turn even after they leave the team. Teddy Bruschi loses his mind every time he thinks someone is questioning the Belichek way of doing things, though he susposed to be impartial as an analyst. This and of course in large part, Tom Brady, are the reason he's been a big time winner in NE.

    I may have hung all his success on Brady, but remember the guy won ELEVEN games with that fraud Matt Cassell at QB. The guy had not started a game since high school and they won 11. That's no small feat my friends. Cassell is hot garbage and I think he got a 2nd rounder for him.

    However, the main reason this league can still compete and beat that team is that he misses far too often on the draft. Given the large number of high picks they have had if he was at the high end of this league at actual picks, they would have 2-3 more Superbowls.
     
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