Pft: Handling Of Culpepper Harmful To Fins?

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  1. AllianceCollect

    AllianceCollect The Beautiful Mrs. AC.....

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    http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

    Thoughts?
     
  2. FINMAN13

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    It is what it is...some FA will see it one way some will see it another. We just have to give future players a reason to play here now....WIN!!!

    I wish the Cpep ordeal would have been handled better. But it was not on either side... :(

    GO PHINS!!!
     
  3. Silverphin

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    It will likely affect Free agency for us in the future.
     
  4. Crypt Keeper

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    Why? Are the Chiefs not going to be able to sign anyone next year because they held onto Green so long? Are the Titans in shambles because they held onto McNair so long?

    This is just a lot of fluff from PFT just trying to stir something up. They are probably just bored because it has been a few hours since they wrote another article about Vick.
     
  5. ac_lanham

    ac_lanham The Comeback Kid

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    Looking over that article I have to agree with Florio. I think they went ahead and cut him because he had veterans on his side willing to take up for him in the arbitration hearing.
     
  6. Silverphin

    Silverphin Chairman of the 'Owned! Awards' Commitee

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    The reason why is that just like the members on the boards, the players paying attention to this (which is probably a lot of players) are split when it comes to who was unfair or not. Any potential FA will at least keep that in mind when choosing a place next year or the following years.

    Oh yeah, KC is going to get their's too, and that's when you don't factor in the L.J. debacle.
     
  7. CD13

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    Training camps haven't even started. If anything they released him prior to camps to provide him an opportunity to catch on with another team early enough to earn a starting job. They did nothing wrong in my eyes.
     
  8. Crypt Keeper

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    If the team is winning, and they are willing to give them a nice contract, I don't think Free Agents will really care how they treated an injured QB the year before.
     
  9. BuffaloSoldier2

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    It's interesting that Titans lost every key FA or perspective FA they were trying to bring in.

    Not saying it was solely based on the McNair thing, but it does make you wonder.
     
  10. Silverphin

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    *points to Buffalo Solider's post*
     
  11. Crypt Keeper

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    I think both of you are overreacting. Players care about winning and money. What happened with Culpepper will not make a difference.
     
  12. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano Quis custodiet ipsos custodes

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    Says you. Maybe you have too much confidence in your assessment of all players.
     
  13. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado R.I.P. Max

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    I agree with you on this. I really doubt that this will have an impact on future FA's. Fans and the media overreact way too much on this silly crap. The media just likes to stir the pot.
     
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    Exactly.
     
  15. Crypt Keeper

    Crypt Keeper FinHeaven VIP

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    What do you think players care about most then?

    Eagerly awaiting your response. :jt0323:
     
  16. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano Quis custodiet ipsos custodes

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    Ooooooohhh you got me here. :lol:
    Like all people who work, some will care and go where there the money is, some will want to go where they have the best chance to win, some will go where they have the best chance to start, some will go where they have stability, some will go where the best benefits whatever that may be are, etc etc. I can keep going. Either way you made a generalization of all nfl players and said that this will in no way effect any of the players.

    edit: Prove that what you said is true for all players. I will be awaiting your response.
     
  17. zonk4ever

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    The Culpepper situation will have zero impact on attracting free agents. Their all mercenary and money will always be the main attraction. The problem is: the players on the roster remaining from last year. With all the "purging" their attitudes may be negatively affected and be "looking over their own shoulders". That's human nature.
     
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    :lol::lol:

    Soooooooo very true
     
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    Show them the Money, and they shall come!

    That is the bottom line, most always is, and will always be.
     
  20. FINMAN13

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    We offered the center from Chicago the most ever for a center...he turned us down.

    So it will not always come down to the mula mi amigo. ;)
     
  21. like2god

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    I think it will have an effect our ability to sign free agents. Lets put it this way, if a FA has 2 identical offers (one from Miami and one from another team) don't you think that a player would rather play for a team that will honor his contract and stand behind him when he gets injured, or would he rather play for a team that tosses him to the side if he gets hurt and someone else is available?

    I honestly believe that this will hurt us, not necessarily in every case but in some instances. And if it turns out that the Phins were wrong and Culpepper returns to his previous form, that might also lead to players and fans second guessing every move this team makes and lower the trust between the FO and its players.

    Hopefully that isn't the case, but it's definitely something to think about.
     
  22. RenoFinFan

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    I recall Chris Hope after his visit to Miami last year saying Saban was trying to sell him on the history of the franchise, the whether, blah...blah...blah and then lambasted Saban saying something to the effect he couldn't care less about that stuff it was about the $$$.
     
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    wow the blinded Daunte fans at it again, including Florio
     
  24. Crypt Keeper

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    Prove it? Am I supposed to give a link to what NFL players think? Fact is, the MAJORITY of the players with TALENT, want to be paid and will go where the money is. Also, the main goal of playing in the NFL is to get a Super Bowl ring. So, I think the assessment that most NFL players want to win and get paid is correct.

    Joey Porter wanted to remain a Steeler, but when they released him, he was all set to go on a league tour. Do you think Miami was his #1 target from day 1? Most likely not. The reason he signed so fast is because they gave him a BIG contract. hmm.

    Do you think Nate Clements is a big 49ers fan or just likes to sit on the banks and stare at the Golden Gate Bridge? Or could it be because they gave him a big contract? hmmm.

    Were Randy Moss, or Donte Stallworth big Patriot fans when growing up? Or could it be that they have the best chance of winning? hmm.

    Did [SIZE=-1]Derrick [/SIZE]Dockery grow up a Bills fan? Or does he just love living in a dying city where there is nothing to do? Or could it be because they paid him?

    I can't wait to see all those talented players turning down big contracts from the Dolphins because they are afraid the front office are a bunch of big meanies.

    "No Miami, I won't sign your big contract offer, because you were so mean to that injured QB that hasn't done squat since 2004. Also, I am signing with Cardinals because I love sand and their front office gives me cookies before mini camp."


    :lol:
     
  25. Skeet84

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    I don't think so cause they were trying to trade him. Its not like they kept him to ruin his career. Its a business and players need to understand that
     
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    LOL

    Crypt Keeper is on a roll!
     
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    He's right though:kick:
     
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    I know he's right and funny. I need to get VIP but I'm so cheap:tongue:
     
  29. inFINSible

    inFINSible Don't believe everything you think.

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    I think that it will effect Free agent signings for the Dolphins because all the players will want to go a team that doesn't do antyhing like what the Dolphins did with Daunte Culpepper.

    Those teams are.....ummm....uh......hmmmm.

    :confused2

    I don't think it will effect Miami's ability to sign future Free agents.
     
  30. Muck

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    I agree.

    It's a bottom-line business for both sides. The VAST majority of guys play for the money #1.

    The guys taking less money for rings are veterans who've already made plenty. You have to be a contending team for guys to make that short-term sacrifice. But in the end, guys are playing for money #1.

    If we start winning, and/or Cameron becomes an attractive coach to play for, then maybe guys will come here for less. But until then, I don't see it happening.
     
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    [admin] No personal attacks! [/admin]



    So far, you wished Poz on IR and taken a totally unneccessary cheapshot at Buffalo? City smack is so weak. Oh, you're so cool because you live in Miami or whatever.

    Back to the topic at hand, obviously winning and money are huge factors in signing FAs. Players talk. Last year, the Bills promised Clements if he signed his franchise tag, they won't franchise him again. It was a verbal agreement and the Bills could have tagged him again. But how do you think that would play with potential FAs?

    In the Tennessee case, they totally embarassed the face of their franchise. Maybe, it's a huge coincidence but the Titans were a team on the rise and just had one of the worst offseasons in the entire NFL.

    I'm not commenting on the Culpepper situation because I don't know all the details. But if other players feel the Fins treat him wrongly, it will make a difference in player's decision process.
     
  32. Rambo

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    It really doesn't matter what the players think to a degree.

    Think about it....when Marino was playing...most players wanted to come here...."Get me down there" ....to play with Marino was commonly heard after many of his comebacks.

    Didn't help us a lick.

    Maybe its a good thing and finally it'll allow Miami to get better.
     
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    You are generalizing players because you see them as super greedy monsters. I however, believe players, like most of us mortals, will have a variety of reasons. Could this be a big deal for a player maybe, maybe not.

    Hmmmmmmmm again prove it.

    I never said it was because they were fans of the team but hey if making it seems trivial helps you feel intelligent by all means.

    I don't have a problem with what your saying. I have a problem with you generalizing to say it. If a player is lets say injury prone do you not think that the way dc was handled or any other injury prone/injured prone player will be a factor? Hmmmmmmm your right that won't be a factor. A second stringer will go where they offer him the best second string money, and no chance to start right? hmmmmmmmmm Your right only two factors in any decision.
     
  34. Muck

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    Even if players do consider this to be a horrible thing, it won't matter next spring. All that will matter is how the Dolphins did on the season went and how much money they have to offer.
     
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    But what if a FA receives 2 identical offers, one from us and one from another team? You don't feel that the way this situation was handled would figure into a players decision making?
     
  36. Muck

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    Not really.

    Look at New England. Their history of personnel relations (rather lack therof) is among the most well-known in the league. And it didn't stop them from poaching Donte Stallworth and Kelly Washington from us with identical (I believe) offers.

    Obviously nothing is 100% all the time. But it all comes down to money and the caliber of team 99% of it. :lol:
     
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    No team in the NFL craps on their players more than NE and nobody brings that up. This article is dumb and has no merit. Every team in the NFL has had a "player situation" and it always goes away. Miami is one of those places that players will always want to play because of the weatehr and no income tax.
     
  38. dolpns13

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    What kind of market is it? How is the weather? Where does his wife want to go? Is it a good environment for their Kids to grow up? Are the 2 teams a good team and a bad one (an Oakland raiders and an indianapolis colts), are the 2 team 2 crappy ones (the Detriot Lions and cleveland browns) or are the teams 2 good ones (Indy and New Orleans)...Alot of different variables go into these decisions. Its not just, I'm going here or there type of decisions
     
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    This is what I was talking about earlier (accidentally deleted my post).

    If this were New England, everybody would be saying, "Oh, that's just Belichick and Pioli". Perhaps even lauding them for doing everything they could to get something out of a bad situation.

    But this isn't New England. We've been bad for awhile. So there couldn't possibly be a method, much less justification, to the madness.
     
  40. Crypt Keeper

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    Most of use mortals? So I am not human now because I see all the talented players go where the money is and where the winning team's are? Well, as a supernatural alien I guess I have a bigger view of what goes on in the universe. I am sorry, but in a world where money rules I have a hard time believing that most players sit around thinking, money and winning are not major factors in what team they choose.
    Five-year, $32 million contract with a $12 million signing bonus and an additional $8 million in guaranteed money.
    What you implied is that money and winning are not the major factors for signing players. Seems to me like all the big FA names went where the money is and where the winning teams are.
    I don't think Miami will be signing any more players coming off three torn ligaments to big contracts in free agency, so I don't think that will be a problem.

    A backup is a whole different field. Sure they are going to choose based on their best chance to play, because they won't be getting the big contract deals. I feel that depth should be added through years of drafting, and that free agency should be used to add one or two starters.

    Also, I think that the majority in this thread sees it like me and not your way says something.
     

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