Playoffs or not, Ireland's got to go

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  1. iambanned

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    Just reading the breakdown of his career failures with offensive line draft picks and free agent busts tells me that there is a level of incompetence that is just not tolerable. Add in the fact that we spent 2 2nd-round picks for Marshall and got two 3rds back with no playoff appearances in his too-short tenure and just a whole bevy more of total clown shoes moves? Come.On.
    You just can't squander resources like that. They're just too precious to be left in the hand of someone who has PROVEN to fail at the most critical part of his job. Then, add in the fact that he's not respected by players league wide and the whole executive branch seem like douchebags and you have a recipe for contraction or relocation of the franchise. He inspires loathing.

    After squeaking out a win vs NE, I said it was up to the players, but the utter lack of depth and talent at OT, OG and LB just makes contending for playoff legitimacy a non-reality. Then you factor in that our coaching has proven pretty clueless and out of their depth, at least with Philbin and Sherman (package deal, as well as the sick nepotism of the QB coach hire) and there's just an insane level of incompetence there.

    Sherman was Tanny's set of training wheels in year one (when Ireland's WR debacle crippled Tanny's chance at rookie success), but those training wheels are nothing but a hindrance.

    Listen, tenure has to be earned. Good executives stay because they're good, not the other way around. I think people confuse the dynamic. Stability is earned by competence.

    Ross needs a GM that can look at our current roster and determine who the right coaches would be to maximize our personnel with the least amount of roster tweaking. Who has the scheme concepts to best utilize our talent? Certainly not Sherman and Coyle's stewardship is in some question as well. As far as Philbin goes, I'm just not sure there's a 'there' there. I've been floating the term 'cipher' since Hard Knocks regarding Philbin. Guys like Dansby are run out of town while 'cheap-shot' Wheeler is brought in to flat-out lose us ball games. You could tell that Philbin hated the leadership council. How dare veteran players assert leadership!
    These are Ireland's guys. I think they gotz t' Go-Go Go.
     
  2. CRAZYDOLFAN305

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    Great. Your wish is on its way. No worries. Don't lose sleep tonight. Hope for a Jets victory and you're golden. .
     
  3. KTDolphins

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    I have to agree, we are always fixing the OL, and it has come back and bit us this year. If we get in the playoffs, it will be in spite of Jeff Ireland.
     
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    We are not to bad for being the worst ran team in the league huh?
     
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    Sorry... as much as I dislike Ireland and would love to see him FIRED!! There is no way I can root for the team to lose to the JETS... never... no way... no how
     
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    Well if Ireland is gone we HAVE to fire the entire coaching staff. This team has plenty of talent to out perform our record. Talent isn't the problem, the coaching staff should be ashamed to take a paycheck. The two bills games alone should be enough to get this staff fired. Personally I would keep Ireland and the staff because I see this team heading in the right direction, but if either Ireland OR the staff has to be fired, I would much rather keep the GM.

    The one thing that fans don't seem to realize is that firing the GM is basically hitting the reset button. Meaning we are looking at another 2 years under a new GM to get his coaches, players and system in place just to get back to where we are now. Successful teams don't continue to hit the reset button every year when they aren't in the superbowl, they let their front office learn from their mistakes like the players do.

    Two years ago Ireland couldn't get us a QB, he got us a QB. Last year our QB didn't have enough weapons, he brought in weapons, now this year we don't have an OL, give him time and all the leaks will be plugged. There isn't a team in the league that doesn't have holes. It is up to the coaches to overcome the holes and plan around them. So far this GM has been fixing the holes but our coaches can't play around them when they really need to.
     
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    No to firing Ireland. Did a Dolphins fan actually suggest we lose to the jets? You are no Dolphins fan and should have your card revoked. You are the worst fan ever.
     
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    The problems we have come from both the personnel department and the coaching staff. We never seem to draft or sign the right players, but when we do they're never used properly and they go tear it up for teams that actually utilize their talent. Reggie Bush and Brandon Marshall are two easy examples of this off the top of my head, although obviously you can't blame this coaching staff for anything Brandon Marshall related.... Except for maybe having a hand in his departure.
    I do however think Ireland should go before the coaching staff for a few simple reasons. The offensive line is in shambles, we have fringe NFL players at RB on the roster (two of which were drafted relatively high for RBs), our receivers are good NOT great but highly overpaid, our secondary is largely talentless outside of Grimes on a one year deal, Reshad Jones has been a major disappointment since re-signing, Cutting Dansby and Burnett for Ellerbee and Wheeler was obviously a huge mistake, and trading Brandon Marshall away for two 3rds is still the most outrageous thing I've ever heard of in my life. I don't care how you want to rationalize it, Brandon Marshall is awesome and dumping him for what will amount to Michael Egnew and Dallas Thomas or Will Davis, whatever, is ****ing atrocious.
    Ireland did well in finding Ryan Tannehill and getting him SOME weapons, but he hasnt put enough talent on this roster all around to make me feel good about him going forward.
     
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    That's exactly how I would describe the situation...
     
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    I don't respect your opinion.
     
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    and one more year 4 everyone. unless mr. ross says otherwise,which means philbin's opinion isvery important.

    I think Martin f'd this team on the OL. Ireland cant be a genius to know he would pull this stunt. the only thing here could be the golf course deal and Ireland deciding to keep incog. lot of money wasted this year.
     
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    Just curious, how often do GM's get fired after making the playoffs?
     
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    Can't imagine its happened too often. Still though, look at his 2nd round picks since being here. Even if you want to say he's not responsible for Pat White because that was a Parcells guy, whatever. In reality he hasnt drafted a single player besides Charles Clay outside of the first round who isn't totally replaceable.
    Even his first round picks aren't anything special. I'm sold on Tannehill now, but Dion Jordan hasn't done anything, Pouncey is a good player but centers grow on trees, Odrick is good but we could have had Dez Bryant or Demaryius Thomas, and Gronk or Hernandez later in that draft. That could have set us up very nicely offensively at this point.
    The bottom line is that Jeff Ireland has been at best unimpressive and at worst incompetent over the last few years. If you take 08 and 09 into account, then the guy shouldve been out the door with Soprano. We can do a lot better than Jeff.
     
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    If you want to say Hernandez and Gronk would have suffered the same fate by now in Miami, then we could have had Pitta as well. He went in rd. 4 that year.
     
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    I don't know, but Lovie Smith got fired after a 10-6 season.
     
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    hartline, jones, carroll.....I wouldn't look to replace them. if you would.....totally disagree. your not watching or givingcred where its due. the whole reason there is still is a debate on Ireland is because he did score on guys.
     
  17. JTC111

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    Martin was one bad player that left an already bad o-line. Many of us knew he wasn't a very talented lineman long before Ireland decided that Martin was good enough that we could even move him to the left side. Ireland didn't find us a decent left tackle because his piss poor evaluation of Martin's talent made him think Martin was the guy.

    And Ireland brought in Incognito. Is there any place that Incognito has played that wanted to keep him once his contract was up? Is there a college that he played for that didn't bounce his dysfunctional sociopathic *** out the door? Anyone that looked into his past even a little bit had to know that Incognito was going to cause trouble for us at some point. Apparently, that didn't bother Ireland because he signed him anyway.

    So no, Ireland couldn't predict what JMartin was going to do, but he damn sure could have predicted the trouble Incognito would cause.

    I'd get rid of Carroll in a heartbeat. That dude gets lost out there too often. But yes, Ireland has managed to find a few late round nuggets that outshine his earlier picks... the one's that should be way more reliable. As someone said here earlier this week, Ireland is great at finding 5th round talent in the 2nd round.
     
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    and PB type centers don't grow on trees.
     
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    three years later? Some think Suh is a troublemaker....would you take him. and remember, incog made the PB last year. that aint easy to do.

    hindsight 20-20. fits the fieland agenda. one point 4 you.
     
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    This is like your 20th hate post on Ireland.
     
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    JTC111 Viva la resistance!!!

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    Apples and oranges. Incognito causes off the field trouble for his own team and he's done that EVERY F'N PLACE HE'S PLAYED. Bounced out of Nebraska, bounced out of Oregon in 1 week, unwelcome in St. Louis when his contract expired, unwelcome in Buffalo when his contract expired. Defend him and Ireland's signing of him all you want, it's not going to change how many feel about either.
     
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    im not defending Ireland or incog. just pointed out facts. incog was a good boy for years after buffalo.
     
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    man will yall stop obsessing over Ireland. Its like some of yall dont care about anything else. Even if we won the superbowl, the first thing on your mind is FIRE IRELAND. Man do yall ever get tired of repeating yourself.

    By the way MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
     
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    first thread I've ever seen on firing ireland...
     
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    I really dont care what Incognito did somewhere else. I feel he was falsely accused. I am not comfortable with a thief like Martin to dictate what should happen with an organization. Your only problem should be has Incognito done wrong to the dolphins.
     
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    Everywhere he's been he was a "good boy" until he wasn't. It was very predictable.
     
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    JTC111 Viva la resistance!!!

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    Then you'd be a lousy GM just like Ireland.

    Was he falsely accused of groping that woman at the golf tournament too? And I'm not sure what you mean by Martin being able to "dictate what should happen with an organization." The organization made their own decisions. Martin didn't "dictate" anything. But feel free to show me anything the Dolphins did because JMartin told them they had to do it.

    He was part of the problem that brought on this drama. He shares in the blame. He's a douche raised by a douche who tried to come on this board and steer the argument. I'm very happy to see his *** moving on.
     
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    Last year it was the WRs and we had to do something about that. We upgraded the position at the expense of the OL and look where that's gotten us. Hans only has so many fingers to plug the dyke. Year to year Ireland seems to be doing the best he can with what hes got. As far as the draft goes its a crap shoot he hits and misses like most GMs, some better some worse.

    Im just looking for a little continuity between the GM and HC for a few years. I like the looks of the progress of the WCO and would like to see how that develops into next year with or without Ireland. I wish I could say the same about Sherman but I think we are going to have to let him tag along. When this O is hitting on all cylinders it is unstoppable and I see flashes of that
     
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    Totally separate incident and I pay no attention to people who only want to make noisy about something when they feel they can capitalize off of it. She felt it wasnt much of an issue then dont come later screaming and yelling.

    Yes or No do you really believe Martin left because of Incognito?
     
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    The same is true for those of us, who stand by Incog. While in MIA, outside of the golf course function, he has been a ideal teammate and player. Earning a trip to the PB last year.

    Your dislike of Philbin and company jade your view on alot things he's done, and hasn't done.

    ---------- Post added at 01:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:06 PM ----------

    Plus all the talk here on these boards, is that you can find any plug and play linemen. That the QB was the most important piece, not a LT. I guess that argument is dead now. Some people ought to be careful what they wish for.
     
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    "A broken clock is always right twice a day"..that pretty much sums up Jeff Ireland.
    I want him gone....literally kick to the curb with all his office crap.
    It is time for a change. Ireland is a .500 GM
    We will never win the super bowl without a talent upgrade at GM
     
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    So your happy with another rebuild. Next year at this time, being 8-7 and hoping for the playoffs? Because a new GM brings a new coach, new philosophy, new system. Because that is what you people are advocating for.
     
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    Ahh... so the woman was wrong not the schmuck who thought it was okay to rub a golf club in her crotch. Is that how you'd want your mother, sister, or daughter treated?

    I have no idea if it was because of Incognito or if he was pulling something. I haven't see anything that makes me think he's a liar yet because what we do know is consistent with how some respond to bullying, but perhaps the NFL report will shed more light.

    I'm not so sure that his presence in the locker room didn't impede others from taking on a leadership role, others who might have done a better job and done it without bringing the dysfunction that Incognito brings to every stop. Allowing Incognito to play leader was putting the fox in charge of the chickens. It had disaster written all over it.

    Actually, I was happy to get Philbin. When we were down to a short list, he was my top choice because I thought he had the most potential based on his background and where he was at the time. At the time I had no idea the guy had such a flat affect. I find it hard to believe that didn't come across in the interviewing process, but perhaps it didn't bother Ireland and Ross. But now the team mirrors that flat affect and we come out flat far too often. I'm not saying I want someone at the extreme other end, but someone with a little life in them would be good. Philbin is like a corpse sometimes.

    I don't think the team needs to be rebuilt from scratch and I don't think a new and capable GM would insist on that. But I'm all for putting in a new system. Our offense is stale and predictable. Our defense gives away 3rd and longs like they have a crush on the other team.
     
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    In no way would it be a smart move to get rid of anyone if the Dolphins make the play-offs. Making more change at that point would probably doom us to another 2-years of not making the play-offs.

    If they don't make the play-offs at minimum Ireland has to go. I'd suggest Sherman as well at that point.
     
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    You make it sound so easy to find a great GM that will agree to those terms.

    We haven't finished a season at 8-8 since 1996.
     
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    Point to where I said I want to lose to the Jets.
    Also, I read the personnel breakdown (double-meaning) in some other threads and the pure facts of the matter display just stunning displays of incompetence. Also, no good GM is gonna hit a reset button on an 8-win team, but we're stuck in limbo here unless someone can better evaluate and acquire talent. The guy thought Marc Columbo was a suitable option for chrissakes!
     
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    My theory is the Tony Dungy (Ross consultant) is pulling the levers behind the scenes and if and when Ireland is finally gone, he will facilitate the search for the next GM as the team top executive. The GM will not have total power as Ireland has now, the coach and GM will have equal power and report to the executive. That is the right direction and framework.
    I would be very comfortable with the results of that search.
    As it stands, I believe that Ireland will get one more year due to the team's record improving. I am hopeful that it all comes together next year, but at the same time Ireland has had to many wasted draft picks and terrible trades. Another draft that can not produce starters will be his undoing.
    Just my far-fetched opinion. As I said before, we all know the Jeffy will be back in 2014.
     
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    I don't believe ireland is as safe as you think. If we finish at 8-8, with an embarrassing loss to the jets and only a one game improvement, ross will have to do something,imo.
     
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    Fireland before he gives up more picks to move up and draft mediocre players.
     
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    a new GM will to deal with free agency with a woman named dawn Aponte. a new gm would be tied to a coach and qb whom they did not choose and henceforth becomes a yes man.

    which is why I say one more year 4 everyone. you don't become top 5 team or deep playoff team.break it all up.

    tannehill is a qb who came from this system. new everything would be the end of RT in Miami if that happens.
     
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    We need higher caliber people in the key positions, although I'm not sure it fully matters as long as we stay in this stadium.

    Losing Mike Dee was a positive start. An out of touch yes man is roughly the equivalent of the guys who don't survive the first cut in August. What's the gamble in dropping Jeff Ireland? We can't find another guy who is mid pack, at best? I don't read too many arguments that he's fantastic. An occasional great player would be preferable to Ireland's tendencies. I'd also like to have a draft class who sound smart and impressive, instead of the familiar sampling of blockheads who make me cringe as soon as they open their mouth. I'm forever asking myself how we catch the Patriots with lugs like this?
     
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    there are 32 teams picking.....you can have all the brains in the world and intelligence and still have all your guys stolen from you by other teams.henceforth, causing you to trade up and get your guy.
     
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    Miami spent a lot of money for Wallace, who IMO doesn't fit Philbin/Sherman's system. The problem is that Tannehill just can't figure out how to consistently hit Wallace in stride when he gets past the defenders. You'd think that by the end of the season these two would be hooking up for multiple TDs per game, but that just hasn't happened. I see Wallace as a game-changing deep threat, but only if the QB can make the throw. I realize that Wallace is not going to fight for the ball and he must be hit in stride to be successful, but the QB has to make that throw. If I had to choose between Tannehill (and the current system) or Wallace in a new system with a QB who could make those throws, then bye-bye Philbin, Sherman, and Tannehill.

    Yes, Miami has waited a long time for a decent QB, but if Tannehill can't learn to hit Wallace in stride then he's not as good as everyone says.
     
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    The way Rex Ryan handled his preseason and got Sanchez killed so that they played the season with no NFL-ready QBs was grounds enough to fire his butt, so let's not kid ourselves. I love Rex Ryan's spirit and energy and his players fight for him but he's General Custer and we know how that worked out. Jets GM is somewhat culpable too but Ryan buried him with that preseason QB blunder. Sanchez is not good but has shown that if your run-game and defense are solid, he can make enough plays to win a game, unlike Geno, who flat-out wasted some Sundays, including the one against us. NY has only lost one game more than us with that putrid QB situation. It's hard for me to believe they wouldn't be at least that one game better with Sanchez. Rex taketh and Rex giveth and they are one game under 500 and could finish tied with us.
    What does that say about the overall merit of our two rosters? We have a much more developed QB and a couple solid, if not great WRs while the Jets have who at WR? Kerley, who can't stay healthy and Santonio Holmes, who's a rich man's Davone Bess. Jets can block, run, and stop the run and we can't.
    I'm not sure who I'd rather be, us of them. Probably us, I suppose, but the record, as of 4:15 Sunday, might say it's a pure toss-up.
    Philbin's disdain of veteran leadership seems just as egregious as Ryan's preseason QB blunder, and that blunder is ultimately getting Ryan fired.
     
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    LoL at finheaven auto-correcting Sanchez to buttfumble. Hahaha!
     

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