Pollian on Trading Down and Telling The Truth

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by So Be, May 6, 2014.

  1. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    On M&M earlier Pollian was asked if, other than the owner and his wife, he ever told anyone the truth on his draft plans. He said no, and that he told his wife the truth once, she let it get out, and that ended that. LOL

    On trading down, you're going to loose the guy you wanted to trade down for 90% of the time. So, if you're trading down 5 spots, there better be 4 guys you will be happy with, if it's 10 spots there better be 8 or you are going to have buyer's remorse on the guy you could have had.

    With that in mind, do those wanting to trade down see enough players you would be happy with if it was not a RT?
     
  2. FSU Truth

    FSU Truth The North Remembers Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Oct 2013
    Messages:
    9,316
    Likes Received:
    394
    Trophy Points:
    83
  3. Hamilton23

    Hamilton23 Super Donator / VIP Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Apr 2006
    Messages:
    480
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
  4. Mudder1310

    Mudder1310 A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jan 2012
    Messages:
    2,129
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    If you're a team with multiple needs and the extra picks can get those guys then it has to be an option.
     
  5. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I do agree with you but, I am really torn here between trading up to fill our, far and away. biggest need in a RT, staying put for a guy like a Mosely,etc and somewhat rolling the dice for a couple of lessor rated players, even in this deep draft. I keep going back and forth on this, and just cannot decide.
     
  6. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Based on what Pollian said of telling the truth, I'm thinking it may be better to listen to a great tune in "Smoke On The Water" than reports of what "team sources" are saying. lol
     
  7. JTC111

    JTC111 Viva la resistance!!!

    Joined:
    Jul 2012
    Messages:
    4,424
    Likes Received:
    17
    Trophy Points:
    38
    If the BPA doesn't fit a need spot at 19, I'm all for trading back a 3-6 spots if we can pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd for it. A 2nd might be wishful thinking but a 3rd should be possible. More picks, more picks, more picks.
     
  8. MRojas4

    MRojas4 The Cheese Connoisseur Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Dec 2010
    Messages:
    4,908
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Trade with Saints to jump ahead of Eagles for Brandin Cook

    Saints - 1 (19)

    Fins - 1 (27), 2 (58).

    Fins Draft Count - 1 (27), 2 (50), 2 (58), 3 (81), 4 (116), 5 (155), 6 (190), 7 (234)

    1 (27) - RT Morgan Moses, Virginia - Day 1 Starter at RT, line complete.

    2 (50) - G Gabe Jackson, Miss. - Day 1 Starter at LG, line complete.

    2 (53) - TE Troy Niklas, Notre Dame - Easily #2 TE and competes for #1 slot with Clay.

    3 (81) - OLB Telvin Smith, Florida State - Depth move that can either push Wheeler or take over.

    4 (116) - RB Charles Sims, West Virginia - D. Thomas is gone and Sims slots in at #3, wide open RB camp battle with Moreno and Miller

    5 (155) - WR Brandon Coleman, Rutgers - Project big body WR, red zone threat Fins lack. 6'6 225lbs....nice.
     
  9. DolfanISS

    DolfanISS Perennial All-Pro Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Aug 2002
    Messages:
    11,308
    Likes Received:
    256
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I think Moses is a real possibility because no fins "sources" have been supposedly talking about him and the only thing we did see is he is on a "do not draft" list.
     
  10. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    This is where things get confusing, at least for me. For example, a WR does not really fit an immediate need but, is the BPA. In limited play this year, he could still make some big plays, and in one case, can be a very dangerous return guy.

    Tuff to pass for more being better. JMO
     
  11. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    IDK MR, starting two rookies is a recipe for disaster. JMO

    ---------- Post added at 11:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:22 AM ----------

    Guess that actually means we will be trading up for him. lol
     
  12. FSU Truth

    FSU Truth The North Remembers Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Oct 2013
    Messages:
    9,316
    Likes Received:
    394
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Why, last season this team started all vets and was disaster...

    I think too often we look at past trends to make a specific judgement about the future...we have no idea how starting two rookies will effect the line play....
     
  13. Danny

    Danny FinHeaven VIP

    Joined:
    Apr 2003
    Messages:
    15,681
    Likes Received:
    259
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I don't believe RT should be our top priority. I know it's a need but what we need most is TDScorers so I'm looking at the kid from FSU. First name is Kelvin but his last name escapes me right now. That guy is going to be a beast. We need a target like that for the red zone. We have nobody like him on our roster. I'm hoping we get him,
     
  14. normaniii

    normaniii A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2008
    Messages:
    2,346
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    No player is a dead cert, so IMO if the option to trade back is there you take it. The more you draft, the more players can possibly succeed.
     
  15. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    True, they could be great but, based on history, I do not see the odds in favor of that. D's have become much more complicated, and most rookies on the OL take a year to adapt, as well as getting stronger, even top first round picks.
     
  16. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yes but, the chances diminish in finding a VG player the farther you drop down.
     
  17. normaniii

    normaniii A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2008
    Messages:
    2,346
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Granted but they also easier to cut and replace due to lower salary etc. then with the successful one you create an environment of resigning your own rather than expensive FA from other franchises.
     
  18. rev kev

    rev kev THE DEFLATOR

    Joined:
    Mar 2004
    Messages:
    8,992
    Likes Received:
    56
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Yes - I can list like 12 players ->

    I can get a RT with the 50th pick -> or in the third/fourth Mehort, Taylor, I also like the Canadian Duvarney -Tardiff but I am biased!!!!
     
  19. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Just me but, I would much rather have the successful one. I'm at my wit's end on cutting and replacing.
     
  20. rev kev

    rev kev THE DEFLATOR

    Joined:
    Mar 2004
    Messages:
    8,992
    Likes Received:
    56
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I would take your Mock in a heart beat BTW

    ---------- Post added at 12:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:07 PM ----------

    I wouldn't mind this Mock either -> Niklas is growing on me
     
  21. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Can't imagine why anyone from Alberta would be biased. lol Can you tell us anything about him? I know nothing at all.
     
  22. rev kev

    rev kev THE DEFLATOR

    Joined:
    Mar 2004
    Messages:
    8,992
    Likes Received:
    56
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Alberta is in Canada but a handful of us would like to annex from Canada like the seperatists in Quebec - LOL

    No sorry I can't tell you anything that you won't read on a website, the CFL draft pundits have him ranked first meaning he won't be selected that high in the CFL because he will never play a down in Canada's CFL -> he is from the football factory called Quebec where a lot of our NFL quality players are being raised...

    The CFL is loaded with Quebec talent -> Alberta only has a few schools next to Ontario and Quebec. Calagry Dinos has grown more competitive, since Blake Nil arrived to coach from Ontario (I believe it could have been Quebec)
     
  23. finresurrection

    finresurrection 2 Babes and a little paint, sweet!!!!

    Joined:
    Mar 2005
    Messages:
    321
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0

    I could live with this draft if that exact trade were to happen. I could also accept going with Bitonio in rd1, Borland and Niklas in rd2 and Mewhort in 3.
     
  24. tcdrover

    tcdrover Pro Bowler

    Joined:
    Aug 2004
    Messages:
    5,362
    Likes Received:
    23
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Other than QB, center and DE they can get better at ALL positions.

    I don't have any idea what they will do.

    Hickey seems much better at this than Ireland though.

    He is much more polite and politically correct with the media, while basically saying absolutely nothing about anything.
     
  25. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yeah, being polite and pc with the media, while saying nothing surely makes him much better. lol
     
  26. tcdrover

    tcdrover Pro Bowler

    Joined:
    Aug 2004
    Messages:
    5,362
    Likes Received:
    23
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Yo Shirley, the lights aren't out, you just managed to get your head wedged up your... :d-day: :clapping:

    SSDD..

    same insects with the same insect noise around here... :rolleyes2:
     
  27. matt11390

    matt11390 Starter

    Joined:
    Apr 2007
    Messages:
    4,070
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    48
    First let's see who is available when we pick at 19. You can't make trades like this without knowing the stakes.
     
  28. PhishyPhishy

    PhishyPhishy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2011
    Messages:
    571
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    18
  29. JTC111

    JTC111 Viva la resistance!!!

    Joined:
    Jul 2012
    Messages:
    4,424
    Likes Received:
    17
    Trophy Points:
    38
    It's a crap shoot either way. No pick comes with guarantees. My thinking is the more picks we have, the more opportunities we have to fill holes or improve our depth at key positions.

    I've never seen a quarterback throw a touchdown laying on his back. If we fix the O-line, plays have more time to develop and it should make our receivers better.

    I agree to an extent. I don't want to trade too far back. The smaller the jump backwards, the less drop off in talent for your next pick, or it gives you the chance to trade back again and pick up even more picks. More picks, more picks, more picks. I can't say it enough.
     
  30. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Translation please? I think you were making a feeble attempt to say something clever but, I may be wrong, pending translation. lol
     
  31. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You may well be right. I would just like to see a star come out of the first round with a few average to good players. We are LONG OVERDUE.
     
  32. JamesBW43

    JamesBW43 You're standing on my neck Finheaven VIP

    Joined:
    Nov 2005
    Messages:
    4,968
    Likes Received:
    123
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I think this is a very strong point, but I also think there's something to be said for not panicking because you might not get the guy you want. I like the idea of taking the risk of missing out on your guy "if" there's a decent chance to still get him and to further improve the team.

    In this particular situation, there are about a dozen players I would be happy with between picks 19 and 50; and I know very little about most of the 2nd round rated prospects.
     
  33. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Agree but, as matt has posted, we do really need to see who is available at #19. I'm guessing that I'm gonna like someone better than trading down.
     
  34. z926538

    z926538 Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 2007
    Messages:
    1,663
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You are in favor of this given our miserable history at second and third round draft picks over the last decade? Hickey has not done anything yet to warrant that level of confidence.
     
  35. So Be

    So Be A True Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 2006
    Messages:
    15,209
    Likes Received:
    38
    Trophy Points:
    0
    As well as not having done anything yet to not warrant that level of confidence.
     
  36. Fin Fan in Cali

    Fin Fan in Cali Joanne Shaw Taylor Super Donator

    Joined:
    Sep 2004
    Messages:
    32,625
    Likes Received:
    1,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bro we only have 6 picks if you trade up depending how far we will go to 5 or possibly 4 and we have holes and depth on the roster that can be improved.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: May 6, 2014

Share This Page