Post Game Thoughts - @Carolina

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  1. Etuoo33

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    Again, Cutler get's garbage time stats and scores. If he puts together these drives earlier you encourage our D to play better.
     
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    Carolina defense let up once they got 45 pts. Don’t be fooled by the 21pts. Miami has another dreadful performance on offense...again.
     
  3. Etuoo33

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    I would be careful about calling for Gase's head. There are not 32 good coaches in the NFL. I don't think there are 15, but that's arguable. I blame our problems more on T-bum and our scouts. "You can't make chicken salad with chicken ****".
     
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    I won’t give this OL a total pass but it was a tough defensive assignment on the road- the thing that really stands out to me is all the plays and yardage Cutler missed on.

    His ball and foot placement are horrible - he short hooped a swing pass yet again and badly missed open players all night.

    Another thing that really bothers me- the offense basically has no sense of urgency and rhythm- week after week. How can Gase and coaches let that continue.
     
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    The sad part is that we say the same thing every season. Its a constant loop.
     
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    yeah he had some very poor throws last night. we should have expected that when we signed him and couldnt protect him. when he did stand in there last night peppers smoked davis and nearly killed him.
     
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    The coaches were lighting up the players on the sidelines. I got a first hand look at it. The assistant D-line coach was ripping into the D-line. I saw Burke having a "strong" discussion with Alonso during one of the TV timeouts. I will say that I thought these guys came out with no energy from the start.
     
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    Your last point is a major reason for wanting to just roll with Matt Moore.

    You have all 3 receivers healthy and they are going to waste right now. At least Matt will attempt to get them involved down field and will show more tempo on offense.

    That Baltimore game almost seemed like a trap by Gase to ensure the Moore calls would simmer.

    And no he is no savior but he sure is more entertaining than what we have seen out of this offense with Cutler.

    And Cutler does a great job in the pocket, he is better than advertised when it comes to improvising . . . .but I am tired of the poor mechanics and inaccuracy.
     
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    About our O line, they did pass protect a little better but there were NO holes to run through early in the game, you know when it was being decided. Having to pass every down is hard to overcome, especially with Cutler. Hit him once early and he hears footsteps. If you can't keep the ball for extended drives, your D suffers. The Defense can only hold up so long, they spent way too much time on the field in the FIRST half. The int. broke their back, so to speak. Our O is predictable because of the weaknesses. Even a bad D coordinator can pick that up. T-bum do your ****ing job.
     
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    I still hear people say this as a reason Cutler is better than Tannehill but for what Cutler gives you in his ability to manipulate the pocket you lose in his ability to throw accurately (or even in the vicinity some times) to a receiver. Who cares if Cutler avoids sacks if the overall end result is worse. Tannehill can throw on a dime while running, Cutler cannot. Tannehill's ball placement is infinitely better, his leadership is better, his ability to run is better (there was a play early on where Cutler had nothing but green grass in front of him and he tried to lob it to a WR, can't remember who it was, but the throw was horribly bad. He could have run for 10 yards and it was a 3rd down play.), Tannehill's ball placement allows for receiver to get YAC, Tannehill throws a better deep ball, so yeah...Cutler avoids sacks...good for him.
     
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    I was appalled that Moore did not seem to be able to call the protections. I am no Moore fan, but would roll with him, except he dosen't know the play's? WTF? He's been here both of Gase's years and how long before that? Any talk of a 'trap' would seem to be of Moore's making...
     
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    Feel the same way as you at this point, Moore has a problem setting protections etc so again its not a great situation obviously but these WR have to be majorly frustrated.

    You could sense it the body language when the QB misses you and your open. Like JD said players were dropping passes ealry on in the year also but last night you had a totally inaccurate QB.
     
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    Moore should not be in Miami next season period....If you cannot trust the guy with the keys to the castle you need to hire someone in which you can...
     
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    That’s fine but we still have some games left. Also, not a ton of good backup QB play around the leauge generally. The Vikings appear to be getting some but teams and offenses playing backup QB are generally struggling.
     
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    It wasn't a good performance, but make no mistake that was a tough spot on a short week against the type of defensive front we always struggle with. 38-6 loss with Tannehill under center was the previous year and we had a full week to prepare.

    It won't happen, but the perfect time to make a switch is now. Seriously I have rooted for Jay all season . . . But the team, defense included, has zero pulse with Cutler behind center. The most exciting half of football in 9 games was with Moore behind center. Give the fans something, or at least a chance for something.
     
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    Cutler looked terrible last night, he's actually been called out by several media outlets regarding his inaccuracy. I thought our oline gave him some time (when a blitz wasn't dialed up) but he threw air balls and grounders a lot with pressure or not. He looks disinterested. How about the comment from the announcer that he likes it in Miami and he would like to stay on... LMAO, I think he sees a gravy train here and a few cracked ribs, possible upcoming broken back may be worth it to pad the family bank account.
     
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    your first sentence sounds like Adam, is it you?
    Moore sucks too, can't get excited for any of our abs, they are all short term back ups at best
     
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    I will be shocked if Gase does it though Kdawg. He seems
    to want to ride Cutler if he is healthy. He basically has said as much and he knows better than the rest of us.

    I couldn’t believe when the anmouncers said they talked to Gase and he wouldn’t commit to Ryan next year and that Cutler also want to keep playing.

    Gase said Ryan was ready to have a blowout year but he is undecided for next year after seeing QB this year? That cant be so.
     
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    How does it sound like Adam? Season is over, but damn can I at least ask for the potential of a more exciting product than the snooze fest we have witnessed with Cutler. Sorry if I don't just fall in line and complain about everything.

    No Parker either that game. That was a tough spot for a QB who literally got no reps since the season began.

    If I wanted to sound like Adam I would say "We gotta go back and look at the film and figure out some things, we keep shooting ourselves in the foot, poor timing with our mistakes, etc."
     
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    Just kidding man, you hit it on all points.Fins up
     
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    He won't do it.
     
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    Absolutely. If Cutler was out there getting blindside blasted with no chance -- as did happen to him in some games earlier this season -- or guys were dropping footballs, I'd defend him. Because when that happened, I did defend him, and vigorously so.

    But what I saw last night was Jay Cutler just straight up air mailing the football when he had guys WIDE OPEN. Julius Thomas and Kenny Stills might still be running if Jay would just set his damn feet.
     
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    I know its fashionable to just root for a good draft pick. I can't help that I have to put 3 hours into watching this product every week. Hell they could kneel on the ball for 3 hours and i would still watch . . . So knowing that I would like if they at least thought about entertaining their fanbase nstead of forcing alternative narratives down our throats.
     
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    I have a bright spot: I recorded the game so after they went up 24-7 I was able to fast forward to the final score and avoid the real fiasco. Good for me!
     
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    Dan Marino crying meme is our Michael Jordan crying meme.... and i'm ok with that.
     
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    Cutler was crap, OLine was crap, running game is crap.. and those were the bright spots. This is a team utterly unprepared for NFL level play. At one point, one of the Panther linebackers(?) was actually pointing out where the play was going to go before Cutler even got set... AND HE WAS RIGHT.

    There is something deeply wrong with this team and as a Dolphin fan for over 30 years, I am disgusted by the coaching staff and the product they place on the field. While I don't think Gase should be fired yet, it is clearly trending in that direction.
     
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    blow it up again. tear the whole damn thing down. this team sucks.
     
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    11yr vet QB that can't set his feet. Not great.
     
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    gase told the announcers that he still had a job to do right now when asked about tanny as in coach the team and current qb

    I wouldn't read too much into that

    tannehill has just as much medical chance to come back as deshaun watson does for Houston
     
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    I used to feel that way...lets suck because the season is over, we'll get a great player in the draft. Then, over time, I realized that we miss in the draft too. Now I watch us come out unprepared, slow starts, down by halftime, same 'ol lame vanilla plays with absolutely no creativity or deception and I am numb. I expect a ****ty product on the field. I think we are as bad currently as we have ever been. The freakin Jets play with more passion than we do, it's unbelievable how this storied franchise, one who holds the record for going undefeated and one who had arguably the best ever coach and QB, can continually make bad hiring, drafting and coaching decisions...it's like groundhog day each year.

    Ross has the funds to get what he or we need/want but he needs to get proven football people to do so and not washed up has beens who just want the money.
     
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    you are 9 games in and you got 1 plus full grade game from a qb

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    I just worry how being injured in back to back seasons with the same injury will effect him mentally.

    It is enough of a concern to put a high priority on the QB position in the 2018 draft IMO. Moore is on the final year of his deal, you need a backup anyways, may as well fill it with some real upside in case Tanny doesn't revert to form.
     
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    the guys running stadium steps 2 months post op

    the last thing I'm worried about is his mental state

    but we do need a plan b with upside in 2018...key word being upside
     
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    As bad as Cutler was the decision to try and move this offense downfield with 47 seconds left in the half was worse. Gase absolutely made a decision that is on par with any of the piss poor decisions Philbin made.
     
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    Well folks, this game officially marks this season, as the sky has finally fallen!!! The LBs were nowhere to be found, and I’m still searching for them. Howard has quickly become the most overrated and over hyped CB perhaps in the entire league. The pass rush is non existent and not sure it will ever arrive. But on a positive note McCain did play well and looks to have turned the corner enough to leave Miami in the next year with a big pay check in pocket. It seems as if both Gase and Burke are in over their heads. Look at the Rams and Eagles, both with young coaches who were smart enough to “HIRE” Experienced Defensive Coordinators in Both Philips and Schwartz, both turning around subpar defenses in Philadelphia and Los Angeles. Forgive me for saying this, but the inexperience of Burke doesn’t bode well for Gase or the team. Gases ego wouldn’t let him surround himself with more experienced coaches in key positions leading to the current disaster of a defense. It looks like a 4-12 season.
     
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    It doesn't look like to me that this team is very coachable; there's a lot of "dumb" players on this team. Some of the defensive coaching isn't great, but most of the players are overrated too. It looks like age has finally caught up with Cam Wake. This team is going to end up with close to a top 10 pick (if not just inside the top 10) but I don't trust Tannenbaum to do anything with that pick. He's pretty bad at his job.
     
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    Maybe it's just me, but . . .
    it seems every week we hear 'Otto Graham saw Miami with two deep safeties and audibled to a run up the middle for 12 yards.' I don't remember ever hearing Cutler audibled to a good play. That, IN ITSELF, highlights a big problem.
     
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    On another positive note the Offensive Line held their own against a tough Defensive Front. Jesse Davis played well for the most part, if he can continue to grow into the versitile player he’s becoming, he could eventually be part of the answers along the line. Tunsil on the other hand, may be better suited for LG.
     
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    I don't claim to be an OL expert and I'm not going to defend the OL, except to say picking out bad plays is something I can do against Pro-Bowl OLmen. Yes, some bad plays, but overall, all but Pouncey played pretty well. I said elsewehre everyone in the stadium knew the 4th and one play call, I'm not at all surprised the D smoked it.
     
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    We suck. Oh well, never should have hired Tannenbum in the first place. I let my homerism take over on my belief in him and Kiko to name a few, but that S is over. This team needs big changes starting from the top, too bad we can't get rid of our owner. Gase has been the biggest disappointment this season though, he looks lost too.
     

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