QB Development

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  1. Namor

    Namor Pro Bowler Finheaven VIP

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    This is not a debate on whether Ryan is/can be or will not be a elite QB.
    But the question is...Knowing who coached him at A&M,and who coaches him
    now(Sherman and the son-in-law)...do you think Ryan has had proper QB coaching?
    Thoughts?
     
  2. Asicswrg85

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    I think Ryan would not have developed as quickly if he was put in any other position. However I am also not sure if his current position will allow him to reach is ceiling

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  3. Namor

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    What are you a politician ?....Yes or No...Is Sherman and the son-in-law good NFL QB coaches?
     
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    I'm never a fan of nepotism but I do see Tannehill improving. Maybe a little slower than I would like, but it is happening. I guess I would have to say would could do better
     
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    I think that he may need someone different to improve him. He is clearly in a very supportive environment, but maybe a different Offensive Coordinator could develop him better from here. One only has to look at how well Carson Palmer is playing under Bruce Arians compared to his coaches for the past few years, to appreciate that some coaches are better for certain QBs.
     
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    No. Sherman doesn't set Tannehill up for success.
     
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    I think the bigger issue than coaching is having pieces in place to help him on the field. That is the bigger failure.

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  8. Namor

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    See...thats how you answer a question.....no straddling the fence here.
     
  9. Riftur

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    The coaching is fine. When you have no run game and give up four sacks a game its amazing he is doing as well as he is.
     
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    football is the biggest team sport there is. He needs more firepower in front of him.

    I'm sticking with one more year. bottom line.
     
  11. Namor

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    Tannehill is a keeper....Get rid of the Sherman boys...Bring in a PROVEN QB coach.
     
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    No. I think Sherman is holding him back, trying to not break his confidence. That's why the conservative play calling. Tannehill does a lot better in the 2 minute offense.
     
  13. Namor

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    I just think,these coaches are not the best for developing a young QB....muchless a young raw QB.
     
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    Ok if you say so...
    7-9 again this year? Good Stuff
     
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    Another solid effort by you.
     
  16. Namor

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    And your answer is?
     
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    Big NO, nepotism is never a good thing, it never allows you to get the best person for the job, there are much better QB coaches that can help Tannehill succeed in the NFL then Zach Taylor.

    The potential is there, Miami needs to find someone better to coach him up faster to reach that ceiling most of us see Tannehill having.
     
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    People have been asking all year, why does Tannehill not move around, it's very obvious that he was told by Sherman in the beginning of the year, he had to stay in the pocket, and not run even if he saw a huge gain to be made. Now he is being allowed to move around, and Sacking Tannehill has become much tougher.

    If Tannehill had gotten hurt due to all those shots he took, it would have been on Sherman for not allowing Tannehill to move around.
     
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    Nepotism is just fine if the product is good. The problem here is the product is undetermined yet. It's clear that RT has skill and potential. I don't think the current QB coach is a good one, and should be replaced. Sherman at OC is alright, but I'm not happy with the play calling. I'm sure one could argue the O line problems have contributed to that, but you need to call a play to get 10 yards when you need to go 8, not the other way around.
     
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    Having Zac Taylor based on no former QB coaching experience and 2 yrs QB'ing at Nebraska developing this raw, formative and impressionable asset is IMO little better than having Stevie Wonder (after reading a How-To book in Braille) as your Archery coach :idk: So if it's no to Taylor, then it's a negatory to Sherman also for putting his family before the best interests of the team. Double Ixnay!
     
  21. J. David Wannyheimer

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    I hesitate to simply put everything at the feet of Mike Sherman. Friends I know who are fans of Green Bay and aTm warned me as soon as we hired him. They have pretty much been dead on in their predictions of what I would complain about. But at the same time, I realize that the offensive coordinator still must work with the personnel he has been given, and I do not think the offensive unit is good overall.

    Now, I do absolutely believe he needs a QB coach with a good track record and real experience. I do not understand why you would pick a 'raw' quarterback #8 overall, knowing that he needs real development, and then bring in a young guy with no track record of coaching QBs to try to work with him.

    HOWEVER, Ryan Tannehill is showing growth and improvement in his game. We don't know whether he is showing that growth and improvement as a result of his own talent and ability to learn on the job, or as a result of good coaching. We don't know if he could be improving faster with better coaching or if he just needs time to work at it. In other words, I got no clue.

    Personally, and as much as it sucks to say it, I think he just needs time. In order to master any skill, it just takes time. In high school, he was in a very run heavy offense in which he didn't throw the ball much, and when he did it was often bootleg type of stuff. In college, he spent two years playing receiver. Unlike Andrew Luck, he didn't have the benefit of being coached from the time he was in grade school by an NFL quarterback. The big question here is how much time this team is willing to give him. I think he at least gets year three.
     
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    He needs a new offensive mind to help bring out his full potential. Sherman is too stingy and stuck in his ways. We need some ingenuity.
     
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    This to me is so crucial. Ultimately it will be down to RT on delivering on his development, however, I do believe he would be further along with a more experienced coach.

    I've said it on other threads, the biggest things I see right now are
    1. needs to seriously work on his footwork, it's just not good enough at this level
    2. needs to be more aware of defences and his route progressions - know where to go with the ball and... 'quicker' - development of his footwork will help with this.
    3. and this is one I haven't mentioned before, but I would like to see him get more rotation in his throwing motion, at times he can appear to push the ball rather than really deliver it.
    4. I'd like to see a greater sense of urgency not only in taking off and running but also in passing [see point 2], sometimes he's too static and slow - he made some good and timely choices to take off and run yesterday

    I think we've been spoilt with the likes of Luck etc. in recent years and how quickly they have developed. With how RT is going now, is probably more reminiscent of typical QB development from years ago.

    He's doing a decent to good job with what he has to work with certain key stats being up slightly over last year like TD's and Completion % but I would have liked to have seen a greater reduction in interceptions - this is where strong coaching can help, with either fundamentals/reading defences/knowing where to go with the ball, but also helping with game planning and play calling and putting him in good spots.

    With a better OL I would expect a whole lot more from him - can he deliver? that's the ultimate question.
     
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    If QB is the most important position in the game, how do you not get the best position coach with NFL expirence? The offensive coordinators son in law doesn't work for me.
    Mike Sherman won a Super Bowl with Brett Farve...i am reminded of Gary Steven chicken salad line.....We need players we have some talent but we need more. If Philbin stays let him tweak his staff but the GM must go.
     
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    hell no.
     
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    I think the coaches have done a great job with him and he is doing well. He needs better weapons.

    He still needs to do a better job with protections, blitzes, sliding in pocket, zone reads--that takes experience.
     
  27. Namor

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    or maybe a QB coach with experience,that can say "Hey,Ryan,this is what your doing wrong" not "hey,Ryan,will you friend me on Facebook?"
     
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    It may be very RaRa of me to say this considering he really has no experience, but I would love to see Penny given the job of QB Coach.
     
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    i think his footwork and the speed of his feet needs work...his athleticism doesn't always show with his footwork and his lateral movements and shuffle in the pocket...

    i used to think that losing sherman might set tannehill back in his development but i dont think that anymore...we could be doing more than we are to help the qb...
     
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    Changing OC and QB coaches is akin MLB teams having a separate pitching coach at each level, just gotta do it in order to succeed.

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  31. Namor

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    This will answer it all.
    Do you think any other teams would hire Zac as their QB coach?
     
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    Sherman and T'hill did not win at A&M and they are not winning here. I would like to see T'hill with different coaches to see what he could do.
     
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    I believe after 6 years with the same guy that a change is never a bad thing to maybe look at your technique and decisions with a new pioint of view. They aren't terrible but I really think Sherman sees flaws in Ryan's game that may not be flaws at all. Sometimes when you ahve a pupil that long you continue to look at them the same way again and again. I think he needs a new coach to get him to the next level.
     
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    Maybe as someone to deliver Peyton's or Brady's coffee.. but certainly not to develop a raw QB looking up at a steep learning curve where his alternative points of professional reference are Matt Moore and Devlin
     
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    I don't know, but rumor has it that he's extremely highly regarded and has aspirations to be a Head Coach in the NFL (we heard the same rumors about Jason Garrett when he was QB coach). Just because he is Sherman's son-in-law doesn't mean that he doesn't have talent. While many on here are extremely critical of Tannehill, I see good improvement and believe that he can be a successful QB. If this is the case, then maybe Zac Taylor has had something to do with his development to date.
    It is always difficult when family members are appointed. Even if they do a good job the perception is often bad. I would expect that Joe Philbin would not tolerate incompetence and if Taylor was there only on the family connections, he wouldn't survive. Be open to the possibility that Zac Taylor is good.
     
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    You could be correct, but I'm also open to the possibility that entrusting a valuable raw talent to someone who never coached QBs at any level nor has any experience with NFL QBs or the defenses he faces, based on blind faith is as il-conceived as entrusting your own personal wellbeing as a passenger to a first time 747 pilot who flew a Cessna a few years ago. Leaving either to fate is a nebulous idea IMO.

     
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    Better line a true tight end and a running back that goes north n south not dances behind line .
     
  38. spiketex

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    I thought that I heard him interviewed and he'd prefer to breed cattle and coach kids than become an NFL coach. He'd be very good but I don't think he's interested. Unless he changed his mind.
     
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    The fact that The son in law is the QB coach is ridiculous. Taylor has never developed a pro QB in his life. Why this franchise would draft a seemingly franchise QB and then proceed with a nepotism hire of Sherman's son in law is beyond me. Just another reason the Fins flounder. This staff is sub par, flat out.
     
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    Vaark - your logic is solid, I can't argue with you. Entrusting the most valuable raw talent to walk into the joint in 14 years, to someone who never coached QBs at any level and with no NFL experience seems preposterous. However, I repeat, the raps on Taylor are that he is extremely good and has a big coaching career ahead of him. Time will tell.
    BTW - most guys I know would hate the thought of working directly for their father in law.
     

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