Rate the QBs

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  1. jaketaylor

    jaketaylor Seasoned Veteran

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    How do you rate the 32 QBs in the NFL? You can use whatever criteria that you choose. Mine is based on who I would want to play QB THIS SEASON. They must be ACTIVE.

    1.Favre-GB
    2.Bledsoe-Buf
    3.Vick-Atl
    4.McNabb-Phl
    5.Gannon-Oak
    6.Manning-Ind
    7.McNair-Ten
    8.Green-KC
    9.Warner-STL
    10.Garcia-SF
    11.Collins-NYG
    12.Fiedler-Mia
    13.Johnson-TB
    14.Brees-SD
    15.Culpepper-Min
    16.Brady-NE
    17.Brooks-NO
    18.Pennington-NYJ
    19.Holcomb-Clev
    20.Maddox-Pit.
    21.Plummer-Den
    22.Brunell-Jax.
    23.Carr-Hou.
    24.Harrington-Det.
    25.Hasselback-Sea.
    26.Stewart-Chi
    27.Blake-Arz
    28.Redman-Bal
    29.Peete-Car.
    30.Palmer-Cin
    31.Hutinson-Dal
    32.Ramsey-Was.
    What are your rankings?
     
  2. mf52dolphin

    mf52dolphin FinHeaven VIP

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    1. Manning
    2. Vick
    3. Farve
    4. Warner
    5. McNabb
    6. Bledsole
    7. Gannon
    8. Brunell
    9. Culpepper
    10. Garcia
    11. McNair
    12. Brooks
    13. Plummer
    14. Green
    15. Brad Johnson
    16. Couch
    17. Brooks
    18. Harrington
    19. Carr
    20. Pennington
    21. Harrington
    22. Brady
    23. Brees
    24. Plummer
    25. Collins
    26. Fiedler
    27. Ramsey
    28. Hasselbeck
    29. Kordell Stewart
    30. Boller(Balt rookie)
    31. Blake
    32. Hutchinson
     
  3. Wolffman

    Wolffman Jim Kelly = Mr. Dolphin Killer

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    Im only gonna do the top 5-
    1-Vick
    2 Bledsoe
    3 McNabb
    4 Farve
    5 Pennington
     
  4. t2thejz

    t2thejz Perennial All-Pro

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    Im only going top 5 too
    Mcnabb
    Farve
    Vick
    Bledsoe
    Manning
     
  5. unclemonty

    unclemonty Dolphins, Buckeyes, MMA, and hot chicks

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    1. Vick
    2. Warner
    3. McNabb
    4. Gannon
    5. Favre
     
  6. DolfanISS

    DolfanISS Perennial All-Pro Finheaven VIP

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    1. Brady
    2. Favre
    3. Vick
    4. McNabb
    5. McNair
     
  7. WeVie

    WeVie Champion Of The Beards!

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    1.Fielder
    1.Vick
    1.Farve
    4.Manning
    5.McNabb


    The first three to me is a tie because Farve has been my favorite QB other the Marino or Elway for a long time and Virginia Tech is my favorite college team and he is kick *** anyway. Fielder is tied for first also because he is the Fins QB so I want to watch him before anyone else
     
  8. Prime Time

    Prime Time Screw You Guys..Im Goin Home!!!

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    Michael Vick
    Brett Favre
    Donovan McNabb
    Rich Gannon
    Steve McNair
     
  9. Traven

    Traven Scout Team

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    1. McNabb
    2. Favre
    3. Vick
    4. Bledsoe
    5. Manning
     
  10. T-ROCK

    T-ROCK Antagonist...

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    With the players we have on Offense, and the system we're running, and the ages of the QBs on your list, my top 10 choices would be:


    Vick
    Brooks
    McNabb
    Pennington
    Garcia
    Favre
    McNair
    Gannon
    Bledsoe
    Manning
     
  11. T-ROCK

    T-ROCK Antagonist...

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    Fiedler ties with Vick and Favre???

    I'd take Vick over any QB in the league with the system we;re running...
     
  12. Muck

    Muck Now completely imaginary Hammered

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    Cool thread. :up:

    I'd say.....

    1. McNair
    2. Vick
    3. Favre
    4. Manning
    5. McNabb
    6. Brady
    7. D. Carr
    8. Bledsoe
    9. T. Green
    10. K. Collins
    10. A. Brooks

    Like Jake, I chose who I'd like to have at the helm and not necessarily who's best. However, I feel McNair is the best QB in the league right now.

    Long term......

    1. Vick
    2. Carr
    3. McNabb
    4. Brady
    5. Harrington
     
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  13. mf52dolphin

    mf52dolphin FinHeaven VIP

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    I am really surprised to see Brady being ranked high. I totally feel that the Super Bowl win was a fluke. Also I would have kept Bledsole. Another thing, even though I did not list Griese in my rankings, I would have to rank him higher than Brady, with a major reason that Brady could not beat out Griese at Michigan.
     
  14. Muck

    Muck Now completely imaginary Hammered

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    But this is the NFL. Brady won a Super Bowl and Griese just got fired. Hell, Terrell Davis couldn't even start at Georgia. Couple years later, he was the best RB in the NFL.

    Brady wasn't a fluke. You look at him out there. Cool, calm, and collected. In control. In command....no matter what the situation. And his arm strength is very underrated IMO. He can throw it. Completed 62% and had a 2-1 TD/INT ratio last year. And only 31 sacks in 601 attempts. All that with the 28th ranked running attack behind him.

    You don't win the Super Bowl on a fluke IMHO. The guy can play.
     
  15. P4E

    P4E Cogito, Ergo FinFanum

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    And let's not forget... he can catch.:angry:
     
  16. Bobby Humphrey

    Bobby Humphrey I got cut Donator

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    1- 4.McNabb-Phl
    2- 6.Manning-Ind
    3- 10.Garcia-SF
    4- 1.Favre-GB
    5- 5.Gannon-Oak
    6- 3.Vick-Atl
    7- 15.Culpepper-Min
    8- 7.McNair-Ten
    9- 13.Johnson-TB
    10- 2.Bledsoe-Buf
    11- 9.Warner-STL
    12- 18.Pennington-NYJ
    13- 22.Brunell-Jax.
    14- 8.Green-KC
    15- 16.Brady-NE
    16- 17.Brooks-NO
    17- 21.Plummer-Den
    18- 25.Hasselback-Sea
    19- 12.Fiedler-Mia
    20- 14.Brees-SD
    21- 11.Collins-NYG
    22- 26.Stewart-Chi
    23- 23.Carr-Hou.
    24- 24.Harrington-Det.
    25- 27.Blake-Arz
    26- 19.Holcomb-Clev
    27- 20.Maddox-Pit.
    28- 30.Palmer-Cin
    29- 32.Ramsey-Was.
    30- 29.Peete-Car.
    31- 31.Hutinson-Dal
    32- 28.Redman-Bal
     
  17. burger13

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    1.) Manning (Playaction to Rickey = DEADLY)
    2.) Favre
    3.) McNabb
    4.) Gannon
    5.) McNair
    6.) Bledsoe
    7.) Brady
    8.) Brooks
    9.) Vick (Atlanta had to simplify for him!!)
    10.) Garcia
    11.) Fiedler
    12.) Pennington
    13.) T.Green
    14.) Hasselbeck
    15.) K.Warner
    16.) B.Johnson
    17.) D.Culpepper
    18.) T.Couch/K.Holcomb
    19.) K.Collins
    20.) T.Maddox
    21.) M.Brunell
    22.) K.Stewart
    23.) D.Carr
    24.) J.Harrington
    25.) D.Carr
    26.) J.Kitna
    27.) J.Blake
    28.) J.Plummer
    29.) C.Redman
    30.) R.Peete/J.Delhomme
    31.) P.Ramsey
    32.) C.Hutchinson
     
  18. sugarcane

    sugarcane The Jets suck!

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    1)McNabb

    2)Vick

    3)Favre

    4)Bledsoe

    5)Manning
    .

    .

    10)Fiedler
     
  19. zach13

    zach13 Mad Dog

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    Top 5 QB's for next year:

    1. Favre - the only great QB in the NFL
    2. Manning
    3. Gannon
    4. McNabb
    5. Pennington

    ? -To those of you who like Vick so much, why?

    The only statistical category that he finished in the top 10 is Sports Center highlights, he completed only 55% of his passes, and he got much worse as the season progressed.

    He is fun to watch.
     
  20. SuperMarksBros.

    SuperMarksBros. Formerly Fiedler for MVP

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    top 6 in no particular order:

    brooks
    mcnair
    favre
    manning
    garcia
    warner
     
  21. jaketaylor

    jaketaylor Seasoned Veteran

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    My opinion on Vick is that here is alot of buzz for his athletic abilities. There is a tremendous upside to him and that is why I think people rank him so high. Is that fair? Probably not. I would still like to see him progress for our team. Can you imagine how many rushing yards the Dolphins would have with Vick and Ricky? He is one QB that is a real threat to take it to the house anytime on a given play. Thats my take on Vick. Plus, he has the arm to put the ball 70 yards down field.
     
  22. Muck

    Muck Now completely imaginary Hammered

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    Did you see the game where we faced Vick at Pro Player in 2001?? That's why.
     
  23. zach13

    zach13 Mad Dog

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    I did see the game.

    Because he had a good game in 2001 you rank him as a top QB?

    Please tell me that is not the only reason.

    He has tremendous skills but has performed very unevenly to date.

    Did you see the game in week 13 of last year when he went 11 of 28 (39%) for 173 yards,

    how about the game in week 14 when he went 12 of 25 for 125 yards?

    or in week 17 when he went 17 of 40 for 240 yards?

    or the whole month of Dec when he went 81 of 169 (47.9%) with 7 TDs, 6 Picks and a rating of 68.5?

    That is not the month of a top QB.

    Now, if you want to tell me that you believe that this year he will begin to fulfill some of his exciting potential and become a top QB then I can buy that.
     
  24. Muck

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    I don't think I have to explain much further. I think it's counter-productive to imply that I'm basing it on one game alone. BUT......in that one game, we saw Vick do things that no other QB has ever done before. It's a microcosm of his gigantic upside. The coaching staff burned the game film. Told the defense to "forget about that game. You'll never see that again this year".

    You do know that he had an injured thumb the last three games of the season, right??

    You mention the Week 13 game. Did you forget to mention that Vick also had 173 yards and 2 TDs RUSHING on 10 carries that day?? Do you remember that Vick won it on a stellar 46-yard TD run to end the game in OT??

    That's the thing with this kid. He'll likely be a career 55% passer. But when he's struggling, he's got a whole other dimension to bail him out (his legs). He's got an arm that's unsurpassed in strength and accuracy that's coming around. Once he figures it all out, he'll dominate the league.

    Despite his current shortcomings, he still led the Falcons into the playoffs.

    Can you imagine him lining up for the Phins w/ Ricky behind him, Chambers and Co. around him?? With this defense?? Unstoppable.
     
  25. fins1

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    Manning will never win a big game. Never has never will. Other than that he's great.
     
  26. zach13

    zach13 Mad Dog

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    Actually, I did not imply that you based your opinion on one game, I stated it, as did you in your earlier post -

    "Did you see the game where we faced Vick at Pro Player in 2001?? That's why."

    You gave no other reason.

    I then asked you for other reasons, which I thought was highly constructive on my part.

    Further, I stated that he has tremendous skills and that he has exciting potential and even that he is fun to watch. My question remains, how can you rate him as a top QB given his very uneven performance at the QB position?

    Your argument seems to be that he may not be much of a passer - "likely be a career 55% passer" but that he can run and he has tremendous upside.

    You go on to say that "once he figures it all out he will dominate the league". That may be true, it may also be true that he will not figure it out and that his performance will continue to slide as it did in 2002.


    By the way, we have seen a QB do more. In 1990 Randall Cunningham threw for 3400 yards with 30 TD's and 13 picks, ran for 942 yds and 5 TD and had a 91 rating.

    He also had a 90 yard punt.
     
  27. Muck

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    You need to go back and read my original post. In it, I said, "I chose who I'd like to have at the helm and not necessarily who's best." That answers your question right there.

    You did imply that I was basing it on one game. Otherwise you wouldn't have asked the question. I'm not trying to sound like a prick.....I just don't feel like we should have to spell everything single thing out for each other. I think that game last November speaks for itself. I don't think the things we saw that day can be denied.

    I never alluded to the notion that he isn't or wouldn't be much of a passer. He already makes throws that very few QBs can make. The thing with Vick is that he's having to learn how to harness his unrivaled talent and use it correctly.

    As for the Randall Cunningham comparison......your kinda veering off to the right. Your taking an entire season of Cunningham (in his 6th year) and comparing it to one half of football rookie football for Vick. But since you brought up Cunningham, notice that he's a career 56.6% passer. Notice he didn't reach the 60% plateau until his 8th season. Notice that Vick is already far ahead of Cunningham at this point in their careers. He's a more dangerous runner than Cunningham ever was. And he's already ahead of Cunningham as a thinker and a passer.

    The sky is the limit for this kid. I think he'll have a breakout season in 2003. And if it were on the Phins, it might be "Super".
     
  28. Al13

    Al13 Don´t mess with Clint

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    i saw it too did you saw that one pass where vick was at midfield, scrambled to his left and threw a bomb at the one yard line, this was an unbelievable throw...

    and i don´t understand why pennington is a top 5 qb for some guys already he played one season

    mcnabb
    favre
    vick
    manning
    bledsoe
     
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    It was unreal. He threw it on the run, with both feet off the ground. 60 freaking yards. It also came right after he escaped what looked like a sack.

    The Pennington-love comes because he's got that Tom Brady quality to him. He never gets shaken up. Always calm and under control. He busts his azz during the week and goes out there and wins on Sundays. Also, Pennington's got good height and great accuracy. He sees the field very well and processes information fast.
     
  30. Muck

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    Also, Vick is amidextrous (sp). He can play right-handed at a pretty high level too. Not that it really matters. Just adds to the legend. :)
     
  31. BigBoy

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    It seems obvious

    Favre
    Manning
    McNabb
    Gannon
    Bledsoe

    What am I missing? These guys are all strong armed, consistent field generals, with the ability to make all of the throws, and with intangibles.

    Who the hell else could even BE on the list?
     
  32. Josh Reed

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    D. Carr ahead of Bledsoe. Talk about someone with a different agenda....lol:)
     
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    1. Favre-GB
    2. McNabb-Phl
    3. Manning-Ind
    4. Vick-Atl
    5. Brooks-NO
     
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    Again, I did not imply that you based your opinion on one game, I stated it flat out as did you in your earlier post

    "Did you see the game where we faced Vick at Pro Player in 2001?? That's why."

    You gave no other reason.

    "Unrivaled Talent" at what? running? That is not my definition of a QB.

    "Your taking an entire season of Cunningham (in his 6th year) and comparing it to one half of football rookie football for Vick."

    Actually, what I was doing in my post was refuting the notion that we had never seen talent like this before. And Vick was not a rookie last year he was in his second year.

    "He's a more dangerous runner than Cunningham ever was."

    Simply not true, Cunningham in 1990 averaged 8.2 yards per carry and totalled 942 yards, last year Vick averaged 7.6 yards per carry and totalled 776 yards. Define "Dangerous"

    "I don't think the things we saw that day can be denied."

    I never denied it, in fact I said that he had tremendous skills, exciting potential, and was fun to watch and led the league in highlight plays.

    But the fact remains that as a QB in 2002 he performed very inconsistently, inaccurately, and his performance worsened over time.
     
  35. nyrican

    nyrican LONG SEASON DOLFANS

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    My High Five

    Bledsoe
    Manning
    Pennington
    Brady
    Gannon

    I rest my case...
     
  36. FinsGoToGuy

    FinsGoToGuy A True Fan

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    1-McNabb
    2-McNair
    3-Favre
    4-Vick
    5-Manning
    6-Gannon
    7-Garcia
    8-Bledsoe
    9-Brooks
    10-Culpepper
    11-Collins
    12-Warner
    13-Brady
    14-Pennington
    15-Brunnell
    16-Green
    17-Fiedler
    18-Hasselbeck
    19-Plummer
    20-Carr
    21-Johnson
    22-Couch
    23-Brees
    24-Stewart
    …
     
  37. chicago dolphin

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    Going against the grain here, but I don't think Vick is going to take that MONUMENTAL step toward greatness this year. It's like in baseball where a new talented pitcher is thrown into the rotation and he wins his first 8 games, but only because hitters haven't figured him out. Eventually he comes back down to earth, and then he has to prove again all that talk in the beginning.
    Not to say that Vick won't be a superstar, but I'm just saying that defenses have had a year to prepare for him.
    He shot out of rocket last year and caught every off-guard. This year the bullseye is on him, not the other way around.
     
  38. BILLS2003

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    1.BLEDSOE
    2.VICK
    3.FAVRE
    4.GARCEA
    5.WARNER
     
  39. dolphan

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    1. Vick. Absolute gamebreaker.
    2. Favre. Still going.
    3. McNabb. Probably could flip with Favre.
    4. Gannon. Can't argue with productivity and success.
    5. Bledsoe. Productivity...without the success.
     
  40. dolphanjo

    dolphanjo BIGGEST FIN FAN IN RHODE ISLAND

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    1. Vick
    2. Favre
    3. Mcnabb
    4. Bledsoe
    5. Gannon

    it can go soooo many different ways so u cna make an arugement for just about all of the replies on this list
     

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