RB Mike Goodson (UFA)

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  1. ckparrothead

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    I just did all of his 2012 Coaches Tape and he is definitely one of the NFL's better kept secrets. The Raiders are a little bit stuck with Darren McFadden right now and Goodson could look for an opportunity to genuinely go and compete to be "the man". In Miami, he could do that, because in the end Lamar Miller is just a 4th round pick that had a tough time getting onto the field as a rookie because he couldn't remember his assignments. Goodson not only played in Mike Sherman's offense in 2008, but he just came from Oakland's WCO last year where he excelled.

    There's a myth making the rounds that Mike Goodson hates Mike Sherman and vice versa, and so they would never re-unite. A quick google search would drag up some quotes related to Mike Sherman's final end-of-season press conference in 2008. There's a suggestion that there could be bad blood between Goodson and Sherman. Prior to 2008, Mike Sherman had every intention to build the whole offense around Mike Goodson whose tape in college was ridiculous and who was regarded as a potential Heisman hopeful. The question came up why Goodson wasn't more featured in the offense. Sherman didn't seem anxious to discuss it and chalked it up to "a combination of things" and also noted that Goodson is very likely to depart early from the team for the NFL.

    Most people took this as a sign that the two hated one another. But I saw these quotes and personally didn't see that. I thought Sherman's quotes could have been alluding to a number of factors that constituted the "combination of things" that saw Goodson underperforming and then coming out early for the Draft. It could've been anything, from injuries that weren't widely discussed to family or financial issues, etc.

    So I did some more thorough digging. I don't think it's true at all that Sherman and Goodson dislike one another. This article sheds some more light on the subject. Some interesting quotes:

    These are the "combination of things" that Mike Sherman alluded to in his end of season press conference. There was an injury, a little bit of the two not quite getting a good feel for one another, and then Goodson had a family/financial situation that demanded he leave for the NFL early. That's pretty much it.

    Mike Goodson did not have to say ONE word of praise for Mike Sherman, if he didn't want to. Nobody was forcing his hand, there. But he did have nice things to say, and he made it a point to say them. He called Sherman a "great guy" and said that if they'd had that extra year together (which they couldn't get because of family/financial situations) they'd have gotten their chemistry a lot better. He didn't have to say that. He could've left it blank. He could've said, "what's in the past is in the past," and just left it at that.

    I personally think, judging from what I know about Mike Sherman, that there's even a strong possibility that Sherman helped Mike Goodson get into the NFL with strong recommendations.

    What I think you should pay attention to is the fact that Mike Sherman knows just how talented Mike Goodson is. He fully intended to build his entire Texas A&M offense around the guy in 2008. And as he said at mid season, he considered Mike Goodson the asset they have that should be making them a lot better than they are.

    Since entering the NFL in 2009, Goodson has faced a little bit of a stacked deck. He goes to the Carolina Panthers where they've got not one but TWO first round picks at tailback. But by 2010, he worked his way up and due to a combination of injuries and just really good play, he took more snaps than either Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams that year. On a terrible offense directed by Jimmy Clausen and Matt Moore, he had 103 runs for 439 yards, including 18 missed tackles he created and 288 yards after contact. He also had 40 catches (on 51 targets) for 310 yards including another 10 missed tackles created.

    In 2011, he landed in Ron Rivera's doghouse for "fumbling" issues which is at least a little bit baffling because I can't find that he fumbled the football during a game that year. He never had a carry. He caught 1 ball and had 11 kickoff returns. The thing to note though is DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart were healthy and doing really well, and now they had Cam Newton taking a ton of carries as well. Josh Vaughn and Mike Goodson were the other two tailbacks on roster, and the two combined for only 15 snaps all year. Clearly there just wasn't room for a third tailback with Cam Newton, DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart carrying the ball. Goodson ended up injuring a hamstring in November and being placed on injured reserve.

    So in 2012 the Carolina Panthers traded him to the Oakland Raiders. The Panthers needed help at tackle because Jeff Otah had gone psycho on them and so the Raiders shipped over Bruce Campbell (the super athlete). Goodson really missed an opportunity with the Raiders because Darren McFadden (again) got hurt in Week 9 against the Buccaneers. Goodson replaced him in the game, did really well, but then also got hurt in the same game and didn't come back until Week 15. It was a real shame because after watching the tape there's no doubt in my mind which player was better overall in that offense. That was Mike Goodson. But I think the Raiders felt tremendous pressure to make Darren McFadden work. They still seem to feel that pressure. Arguably, they fired their offensive coordinator because of that pressure.

    Mike Goodson ran 35 times in 2012 for 221 yards. He created 8 missed tackles and had 171 yards after contact (an amazing 4.9 yard average). He caught 16 balls (on 16 targets) for 195 yards with 1 TD. He created 5 more missed tackles on catches. You may remember him from the Dolphins-Raiders game. He is the one that blazed that 60+ yard catch for a touchdown on a screen pass. Once the guard managed to trip up Koa Misi, Goodson was gone. He stretched every angle a Miami defender had until the defense broke.

    The thing people are going to ask me about is his pass protection. Let me tell you, he was easily better than Darren McFadden in pass pro in 2012. I saw pretty much every snap of his in pass pro this year. He started out the year shaky. His very first pass protection snap of the year came against the Miami Dolphins and he got blown up by Kevin Burnett. But what is important to note is that I did not record a single pass pro loss in any of his other 26 snaps there. I realize PFF says he let up a QB pressure against the Buccaneers but I didn't agree with that call of theirs.

    What I noticed about his running is that in particular he seemed a natural in the zone cutback game. Sometimes (and by that I mean maybe 2 or 3 of his carries) he gave up on the play side a little too soon or showed a slight bit of hesitation in the hole. But, those instances were few and far between. He was generally very good at hitting the right hole, and getting north-south.

    Four things:

    1. He just has a knack for making guys miss, which he also showed in 2009 and 2010. On 160 runs in his career he's created 29 missed tackles, and on 59 catches he created 15 more misses. Adrian Peterson made a guy miss this year (his damn near record breaking year) every 5.4 touches. Well, in his career Mike Goodson has made a guy miss ever 5.0 touches. Obviously I'm not saying this guy is Adrian Peterson. Peterson created 3.9 yards after contact per carry this year, Goodson's career average is 3.2 yards after contact. But the ability to make guys miss and fall off the tackle is a big part of Mike Goodson's game.

    2. What I particularly like in him is the growth factor. There's every suggestion (based on the numbers) that Goodson was not a good pass protector in 2010 when he got a lot of playing time in Carolina. He had a pretty strongly negative PFF grade in pass pro, with 3 sacks given up, 1 hit and 2 pressures on 65 pass pro snaps. But what I like is that when you fast forward to 2012, I thought he did marvelously in pass pro. There's also been a suggestion that fumbling was an issue in the past. He had 1 fumble on 42 touches (including kick returns) in his rookie year...but had 6 fumbles on 191 touches in 2010. The reason he supposedly got in the doghouse with Ron Rivera was fumbling, though he didn't fumble a single time in 2011 on 12 touches. Fast forward to 2012...no fumbles. Not one fumble on 67 more touches. The third area where I've seen growth is his handling of contact. As I said, he had 171 yards rushing in 2012 after contact, which averages out to an amazing 4.9 yards. In 2010, he averaged about 2.9 yards after contact, much less interesting from that standpoint. I think overall you're looking at a guy that has grown during his time in the league and I think he's probably up to a rocked up 215 lbs. The final area where he's shown improvement is in his hands. In 2010 he actually dropped 7 balls compared with 40 catches and 51 targets. But in 2012 he didn't drop a single ball thrown to him.

    3. Speaking of the weight, go back to the measurables coming out of college and they're very strong. He was 5117 and 208 lbs, ran a 4.43 at his pro day (while pulling a hamstring). He ran a 4.46 at the Combine with a 1.49 second 10 yard split (FWIW, I don't have much trust in 10 yard splits due to measurement error sensitivity). He had a 39.5 inch vertical and 9'10" broad jump. His shuttle was 4.22 seconds and his cone was 6.89 seconds. He did 14 bench reps.

    4. The range of skills is notable. I think he's now in the 215 lbs range and has shown a nice ability to break tackles physically and create yards after contact (4.9 yards per run, average). He also showed (against Miami, among others) the ability to blast open big plays. He had a 45 yard kickoff return and also a 51 yard kickoff return. He had the 64 yard screen play against Miami, and had another 37 yard catch against Atlanta. He had two separate 43 yard run plays against Atlanta and Kansas City. That's a lot of big 35+ yard plays for a guy that had 67 touches all year. But even if you take out the two big runs he averaged 4.1 yards per carry on his 33 other carries, so he's consistent. He catches the football well and there's plenty of evidence of that. And finally he blocks well. He's very nearly a complete back. The only hole in his game that I can see is in short yardage situations. But that's true of a lot of tailbacks. That's the situation where you should always be looking at bringing in a specialist anyway.

    I think there will be a market for him in free agency as several teams have to have noticed him over the years. The Raiders will definitely want to keep him but they're handcuffed because of Darren McFadden. He knows that so long as Darren McFadden is there, he's not going to get many opportunities even to be a 3rd down type of guy because that's supposed to be one of McFadden's strengths.

    The Green Bay Packers could make a play for him. That would have to seem a temptation for Mike. They essentially had to roll with DuJuan Harris, a guy that was selling cars not too long ago, all through the playoffs. I'm not saying he didn't do some pretty impressive work. He's a genuine NFL back and I've loved him since he came out, wanted the Dolphins to sign him undrafted real bad. But if they don't re-sign Cedric Benson then they'll be in the market for a guy. But Goodson will have to ask whether they're so desperate for a back that even after they sign him, they're drafting a guy real high...someone like Eddie Lacy or Gio Bernard.

    I think his relationship with Mike Sherman and experience in this offense could actually HELP the Dolphins land him, if they wanted to, believe it or not. He clearly harbors no ill will toward Sherman, calling him a "great guy". In Miami, I'm not sure he'd have to compete with a high draft pick. They are allowing Reggie Bush to walk and they have 4th round pick Lamar Miller to try and take his place. Daniel Thomas is a not even an NFL caliber back, so I doubt Goodson will be worried there. He'll at least get to be part of an active two-man rotation. And who is to say that the 5th year veteran can't supplant Lamar Miller as the lead dog in that rotation? I like Lamar Miller, but healthy competition never hurt anyone.

    Either way, I doubt Mike Goodson is going to be an expensive get in free agency, yet I'm pretty sure he's going to be worth it IF he stays healthy.
     
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    How much do you think he demand in free agency CK?
     
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    i think he's gonna be cheaper than people expect...in the $3 mil per range i'd say...but is he that much of a difference in change of pace to what we have already in lamar miller??? i don't really think so...that kids explosive though
     
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    Hard to say. On the one hand, if two teams pop up liking him and get into a bidding war, before you know it you're talking $3-4 million per year. But I think a lot of General Managers would choke on their soup at such a number from such an unproven guy.

    I'm going to say about $2 million per year should be the most he expects at this point, being as unproven as he is. In a world where Reggie Bush gets $5 million a year and Ahmad Bradshaw/Darren Sproles get closer to $4 million a year, there's no reason a Mike Goodson expects $4 million a year. Should probably be half that.

    He'll outperform his contract, though...if he stays healthy and he doesn't suffer a relapse of fumblitis.
     
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    I think they complement better than you wouldd think. Let me explain. With Lamar Miller's speed, you WANT to make him a 3rd down back or some variant of such.

    But the reality is, he couldn't get on the field in 2012 over Daniel Thomas because he had trouble remembering his assignments and wasn't a strong blocker. What you KNOW that Lamar Miller could go out there and do is just take carries on 1st/2nd down and gain yards. You know that. The big question is whether he has 3rd down type ability. Can he be dependable?

    That's where a Mike Goodson comes in. Though he's inexperienced on the whole, he's got more experience being that 3rd down guy. He blocked really well in 2012. He knows this offense and knows his assignments. He's a danger in the passing game. He's fantastic on draw and counter plays and the like.

    So if Lamar Miller can fend Goodson off in general, you still have the two complementing one another because the presence of Goodson allows you to have Miller focusing on executing the run game on 1st/2nd down while Goodson focuses on executing a variety of roles on 3rd downs, while also rotating in for some 1st/2nd down work.

    This would be similar to what you saw in Green Bay under Joe Philbin with Ryan Grant and James Starks...or previously, Ryan Grant and Brandon Jackson. You'll note that neither of those duos were "thunder and lightning". Both pairs were similar creatures with varied responsibilities and subtle differences in their games.

    The question becomes, do you have your short yardage and red zone needs taken care of? That's where you have Daniel Thomas and Jonas Gray competing with one another. And if you can ever trust that Jorvorskie Lane will stop fumbling, he could mix in there as well.

    I see adding Mike Goodson to the current backfield as a means of keeping everything cheap back there, giving guys you have high hopes for enough opportunity to prove themselves, while at the same time not giving them so much opportunity that you're betting on them too heavily.
     
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    agreed on the lack of production will keep goodsons # down...and yeah the explanation on complementing eachother makes sense...i don't have a problem with it at $2 mil per...still got to have a short yardage and goalline guy but those guys are pretty cheap usually if dt isn't in play there

    i don't like the shawntae spencer thing at cb though...i want to say i saw him getting roasted this year in oakland...if i recall correctly...he'll be cheap sure but imo a liability
     
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    Yup, would support Miami going after him. Always thought he caught some tough luck being on rosters with Williams, Stewart, and DMC, who their respective teams had made investments into. Like you said, it's a funny situation to have an unproven guy be in somewhat demand; Goodson has to wonder if a RB-hungry team will draft a RB high and stick Goodson in the same role he has in Oakland. Coming to a team that has another unproven guy who won't play 3rd downs (Miller) actually makes a lot of sense. He would take some load off Miller and, more importantly, solve the 3rd down issue.
     
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    At this point Shawntae Spencer is a guy who will make the veteran's minimum so if he gets cut in training camp, then so be it. As for what he did in Oakland this year, he was without a doubt the best corner on the field when the Dolphins played the Oakland Raiders. That's not saying much because the other corners were Pat Lee and Joselio Hansen and neither could manage to cover Hartline with their soft cover three zone. But Spencer was the one guy that was consistently doing his job and doing it well. Miami threw only 1 pass his direction because he was doing so well in coverage and that pass was a RB screen to Reggie Bush. Shawntae blasted through the block of "blocking specialist" Legedu Naanee and tackled Bush for a 3 yard loss. If he didn't do that, the way the play had set up, it very well could've been a long touchdown. He also did well against San Diego in Week 1. But he got hurt against us and missed the rest of the season.

    I'll admit, I'm not an expert on what he did prior to 2012. But I was intrigued enough in 2012 with him against San Diego and Miami that I would love to give him the same veteran's minimum deal Oakland gave him, and see what he can do in camp against the likes of Nolan Carroll.
     
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    whoops...i had spencer mixed up with hanson...i thought it was lee and spencer on hartline in that game...forgot it was hanson...my bads
     
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    Good write up CK, Goodson is definitely someone to consider. I'm just still kind of baffled that we are letting Reggie walk. Ok so he wants 5 million a year, he did almost rush for 1000 yards this season and had another 290 receiving. He is a deadly dual threat that you have to account for at all times, he just wasn't used properly in the passing game in a 1st year coaching staff trying to see what they have. If we kept him next years and ran him more at receiver, and still got someone like goodson on the cheap, how is that not better for the team?
     
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    Goodson has a lot of potential and the price would be right but he has some trouble staying healthy and out on the field... THat would be my biggest worry with him and we would really need to have a viable third behind him and Miller...
     
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    I'm not that excited about Goodson, I remember following Oakland RB situation cuz I ended up with Run DMC on my team.. So I was getting constant updates about the RB situation in Oakland..well Goodson didn't do anything to earn that job even though he had multiple opportunities to do so. McFadden was injured as always and Oaklands running game struggled, Oakland actually played Reese(sp?) on 3rd downs and he's a FB. All I'm saying you can play that stuck behind good RB card only so many times, the opportunity was there for Goodson to separate himself and he didn't do that
     
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    So you followed a stream of fantasy tweets and text updates and that totally substitutes for watching him play football? M'kay.
     
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    Goodson has been a secret weapon of mine in Madden since he was 3rd on the depth chart in Carolina. If I used them, I'd put him in as the 2nd wide receiver. His overall was like 73 or something as a WR and legitimately the next best option after Steve. Obviously, using Madden to judge players is a terrible thing, but it's not like theyre always totally retarded, his receiving stats were excellent, which makes me think he at least has some skill receiving coming out of the backfield. (btw if you put Reggie in at WR, he's like 87 lol)

    But if he's improved his pass protection as you say ck, I'd be all aboard to bring him on at 2 mill or so. I like the idea of him being the 3rd down back letting Lamar focus on running. Hopefully Jonas Gray emerges and kick DT to the curb though, I'm starting to hate him as our "power back"

    quick edit - We could've had Demarco Murray instead like 10 picks later, or even Randall Cobb 2 picks after us! Richard Sherman also went in the 5th round..
     
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    Fact is running back is not a need. I think for 1.5-2 maybe Miami takes a flyer but Miami might have their Reggie bush replacement in Marcus thigpen. Playmakers are always needed and especially after what you've promoted about Goodson it would be A welcomed addition. We need help on the oline, what are some players you wecommend for our zone scheme?
     
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    i wish we could just hand the keys to the franchise over to CK, his marklars are wise and true.

    Goodson could be had for a couple million and is young. He may be a similar back to Miller but he has the experience to take over the 3rd down role, as CK clearly elaborated upon. He ran a 4.46 at the combine and hits the hole with authority.

    Also consider that the 3 million we save on Goodson vs. Bush could be funneled over to another FA signing; could be the difference between a guy like Levitre or Vollmer and the turn-style middle-of-the-road offensive linemen Ireland has shown a proclivity for.
     
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    Love Mike Goodson. His tape at A&M was unreal....always seemed to be going at a different speed.
     
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    Except I really did watch hours of Coaches Tape. Re-read the original post. Everything is there.

    We have VERY different ideas of what constitutes "common sense".
     
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    Nice marklar reference, lol.

    ---------- Post added at 10:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:13 AM ----------

    Here's the 64 yard screen play he made against us.

    [video=youtube;Twb-phPKc5E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twb-phPKc5E[/video]

    And here's some of his college highlights:

    [video=youtube;HoZeiAIJKMY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZeiAIJKMY[/video]
     
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    Really you wasted all that time researching this guy??? Nothing to see here. Four years in the league and not much of an impact. In the famous words of a football czar: "If they don't bite as pups, they probably don't bite"
    - The dolphins would be better off with a late round or udfa back to round out the position for camp.
    - Not to mention that it would be cheaper.
    - Jonas Gray has yet to show us what he's got.
    - I don't see Goodson doing anything for us that Marcus Thigpen can't do.

    I don't see the dolphins going after him but if they do, anything over 2 mil/yr would be stupid.
     
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    You mean like how as a pup he was a late round draft pick behind two first round tailbacks and he ended up with more snaps than either of the other two, gaining 4.3 yards per carry in an atrocious offense led by Jimmy Clausen?

    I may have spent a lot of time researching him. But that time was more fruitful than the time it took you to type the above post.
     
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    Yeah, I'm surprised by that too. I think we have some clues (the benching) that maybe the coaching staff doesn't think as highly of Bush as fans do. It seems he would be the perfect fit for this offense and was vastly underused in the passing game. Perhaps it''s just a money decision with Miller looking good in limited action and with so many other needs that have to be filled.
     
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    I watched him this year in Oakland and have liked him all season. didn't know he was a FA.. how convenient. I like Miller and Thigpen. I don't know if his skillset is so diverse from theirs but hey you cant have enough playmakers in the backfield imo. we do need someone to spell Thomas though, injuries ect ect we have no backup plan for that style runner ... don't say javorski lane. maybe we give the guy from CFL last year Jerome mastrum (spell?) another look?
     
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    C'mon CK. If you did your homework you should know that the only reason Goodson got all those snaps was because both Williams and Stewart were hurt in 2010. As soon as Stewart came back from injury, Goodson's role became limited again. If anything, that was his chance to show something and he did ok but nothing spectacular. And stop making excuses for him; bad offense, bad qb, behind good players. He had 4 years. IMO he will never amount to anything much more than our own Thigpen, who consequently at this point has more upside than Goodson.
     
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    I'm really looking forward to seeing what Jonas Gray has to offer. If he turns out to be what I think he could be, then it could be curtains for D. Thomas. Thomas has shown flashes but he needs to be more consistent if he's gonna stick.
     
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    CK, nice write ups and everything, but you need to stop taking things personal when people don't agree with your point of view. Just because you can spend hours of your life doing research on a 3rd string player doesn't make him
    a stud. Last time i checked you are not working evaluating talent for the Dolphins or any other team for that matter so it's quite possible you are seeing things that no other nfl team is seeing in Goodson. Just saying...
     
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    Very good analysis, CK -- the kind of analysis that WINNING teams do well: Find the FA and middle-round draft picks that will come on roster with skills, intelligence and upside, challenging starters and creating a team of 1 and 1A players that is fairly well immune to the injury bug. Making your own destiny by SMART player decisions, sound strategy with every roster position top to bottom. Good stuff!

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    very good write up! i think the plan should be that if Reggie Bush's price tag is too high, then we go after Goodson. a Miller/Goodson combo would be excellent for us
     
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    I wish you were a Miami Dolphins scout, then maybe we could get some talent for our money.


    When we played the Raiders I was left very impressed by him. If he could come in @3-4 mil a year I would take it hands down, specially if he is as well rounded as you stated, and if Mike Sherman decides to give him a chance then that must mean he is worth the money.
     
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    The problem with adding Goodson is Miami has a faster version of Goodson in thigpen. Goodson has good vision, hit top speed really fast, and welcomes contact but why add a player like him when we have Lamar miller. He is not better than Lamar Miller! He might be smarter than miller but miller plays off smaller behind the line of scrimmage and has wwwwaaaayyyy more explosion and is more powerful. Daniel Thomas is a quality third down back type.

    Love your film dedication but Goodson is not a smart investment for a team that needs help at oline, t.e., receiver, d.e., corner.. Running back is one of our strengths.
     
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    Don't need a running back.
     
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    I respect disagreements about Mike Goodson as a player. We all see different things and that's part of the beauty of the sport.

    But this stuff about Marcus Thigpen is NOT a well founded argument. I'm sorry but it isn't. Marcus Thigpen has been almost purely a slot wide receiver since joining the Miami Dolphins. Sure they still list him as a running back, but people that actually pay attention will know that he didn't take a single snap as a tailback either in preseason or the regular season and he's worked exclusively from the slot as a wide receiver. The carry he had against New England was an end-around from the slot wide receiver position. It's one thing if people have watched some tape of Marcus Thigpen, even preseason tape, and come to the conclusion of what they think he is as a tailback. It's another thing if I know for a fact the people saying things about Marcus Thigpen as a tailback have not watched any tape of him there, because I know that tape doesn't exist. I mean come on fellas, we're better than this.

    As for the need at running back yes absolutely the Miami Dolphins need a running back and they're looking for one. They're doing a lot of research on different tailbacks and if they don't sign a significant one in free agency then they'll be drafting a significant one. The Dolphins are set to lose Reggie Bush in free agency, and meanwhile they seem like they're just about ready to conclude the Daniel Thomas experiment. Yes I get it, people are high on 4th round pick Lamar Miller. But your NFL roster at tailback can't consist of one man.
     
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    I love that you're highlighting Goodson. He has always stood out in limited action. I'm all for bringing him in. Not to just toss him the keys but as a means to increase the talent level on our offense.
     
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    yeah, I dont see why CK is not onto something here with the Sherman connection and I would imagine Ireland would have some blessing on this but I dont get the 3-4 million. Is that neccessary?

    And I am thinking we need a thumper type RB which is why I now have Eddy Lacy in my mock. We need someone to handle the goaline and short yardage stuff but someone who could make a big play from those situations.

    CK is absolutely right that we are looking at RB's and it was mentioned somewhere at during senior bowl (Finsiders?). henceforth Reggie confused about not being signed.

    Philbin and Sherman IMO had enough of Reggie when he was told time and time again to just hit the hole and stop bouncing all the time. Miller showed exactly what they wanted but I think they are afraid of Miller in fulltime duty next year and injury.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with an offseason play like this happening but....but...looking for bigger guy. Another guy I keep thinking about is Zach Line or some FB like him who can also run with the rock. Not sure the current guy will dedicate himself in offseason and he dropped off IMO second half even though they used him good on that one misdirection TD.
     
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    I agree. I'd rather keep Bush to be our 3rd down back for all that. In fact, Bush's perplexity on our not offering him anything and him clarifying on air he wants to stay shows he's not looking for the money as the media keeps propagating. In fact, I won't be surprised if Long and Bush are the only two of our UFAs retained.
     
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    I think the reason they're checking out on Reggie Bush is because he doesn't like to play by the coaches' rules as far as which holes he's supposed to hit, FWIW.

    I like Reggie and I wouldn't mind re-signing him at all. But it's becoming a simple reality that that isn't going to happen. Hence bringing up a value play like Goodman.
     
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    You could be right, but I wouldn't just take what the media is painting as gospel. Jeff could very well be waiting for right before FA begins to tell Reggie look, the reason we haven't made an offer is because we respect you and we have a vision of you as the 3rd down back behind Miller and want to see what the market shows before making an offer yyou may be offended with and we respect you too much to do that. Which at that point Bush can turn and say I'm willing to stay for the amount you paid me last year for 3 years just a bit more guaranteed amd then bam strike a deal. I'm just going to wait before assuming that this silence necessarily means rejection, CK.
     
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    I think if the Dolphins wait until then it will be too late. Already the Detroit Lions are making their interest known to Reggie. The worst kept secret is that no team is respecting the tampering policy with respect to guys schedule to be free agents on March 12th. Greg Jennings was on radio row before the Super Bowl talking about how he's already been reached out to by several teams. This isn't one of those things where the Dolphins can sweep in at the last minute and make Reggie an offer and he'll just swoon for them. This is like recruiting. He's got suitors already and they're already keeping tabs on him while the Dolphins sit on their hands and don't say a word to him, and privately give everyone the impression they're not interested in having him back.

    I think the simplest explanation is the most likely one. They don't have much interest in having him back at a free agent price tag, because they like Lamar Miller.
     
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    I don't trust Reggie as a 3rd down back by any means, and that would probably be my worst nightmare in terms of how we handle our free agents this year.
     

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