realignment anyone for it?

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  1. allsilverdreams

    allsilverdreams Starter Finheaven VIP Donator

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    a few years back when the NFL did some realignment it really was hard to understand why they went in the direction they did.now that the years have passed i can review what they did and still to this day scratch my head.i thought they put to much consideration in the rivalry aspect,but failed to see the new rivalries that would come to follow.
    what should the divisions look like if they were to do it by location and not past rivalry.the sport is at an all time high in its popularity.why not test realignment again i think fans would travel more to see road games esp if they are closer to wear they live.i would love to see
    DOLPHINS
    BUCKS
    JAGS
    FALCONS
    WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE
     
  2. Daytona Fin

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    If it ain't broke don't fix it.
     
  3. Adam Strange

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    No.

    Sports is about rivalries, not geographical correctness. Plenty of good rivalries exist already. No reason to tear them all down and start over just so all of the Florida teams can be placed in the same division.
     
  4. allsilverdreams

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    so you enjoyed playing the same team twice a year for the last 40 years.
    dont you think playing teams in the same state would bring an even bigger rivalry.
    even help attendance
     
  5. Daytona Fin

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    We play the jags just about every year anyways. That hasn't done anything for our attendance but when we play at jax us dolfans in central and north florida take over jags stadium, so it does boost their attendance. As for the fins and jags rivalry , there really isn't one because there are not that many jags fans walking the earth.
     
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    I hate the alignment of the AFC East. I think it puts the Fins at a disadvantage. IMO, rivalries would develop against other teams. The Colts didn't suffer from moving out of the division.
     
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    As much as I enjoy the rivalries that we have, I am no fan of being in the same division as New England. We won't beat New England again for a long time I'm afraid. And if we have a divisional game late in the season in the cold, more often than not you can forget about it. But ultimately it'll never change. I'm fine with the division the way it is.
     
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    I wouldnt mind a realignment. It is odd that Indy was moved to the south while Miami wasnt and they are the most southern team.
     
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    I don't understand, how is it a head scratcher that they did it the way they did? Most of the big rivalries are still there and, for example, there was no reason for the Cardinals to be in the NFC East or the Saints, Panthers or Falcons in the NFC West.
     
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    Stay where we are. We have rivalries with the Jets and Bills and I would not want to lose that.
     
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    One day I want to piss on the Pats like we did in the 80's. Almost there...
     
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    Oh here we go with the playing in cold weather stuff again. Football is meant to be played in the outdoors, in all kinds of weather conditions. Many people think of it as a cold weather sport. Maybe we should just move our team and become the Toronto Dolphins.
     
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    They didn't win one game against us in the '70s.
     
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    Maybe we need to move our team to Antarctica for practices during the week.
     
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    Miami
    San Diego
    New York
    Seattle

    This is what matters to us Miami fans the most.

    I get awesome trips with lots of other things to do!
     
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    Old rivalries are neat and all, and I do enjoy the rivalries that we have but I would trade them all in a heart beat to not be guaranteed all of these cold away games that we get.
     
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    Dallas in the east.

    Dolphins are in the east (coast), The heat are in the atlantic(ocean?), the marlins are in the east, just the way it goes i guess.
     
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    Definitely have to keep the Jets in the same division with Miami... Put Indy in the same division as the Patriots and the rivalries have not stopped (within the AFCE that is)
     
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    I've been complaining about being stuck in the AFC North East since the idiot owner decided to stay and not go to the AFC South. It's a big disadvantage to log all those miles every year. It's true that our division rivals also log the miles south to visit us so it's a big albatros on our entire division. Rivalries Shmilvaries, every week is a rivalry.
     
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    F that, I love playing the Jets 2 times a year, and wanting to kick the **** out of them 2 times a year.
     
  22. Daytona Fin

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    If we played the south teams , other than jacksonville would the time travel really be the big of a difference on a plane, compared to the east teams? I mean what are we talking about an hour or two? It's not like they are riding a greyhound.
     
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    We should be in the AFC South and swap places with the Colts.
     
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    I'd be fine with replacing the Jets with the Giants. Doesn't matter to me.

    New York City!

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    The NFL won't shuffle the docket. To much revenue to lose and it doesn't help with the potential of a team leaving the division like Buffalo.
     
  26. AJDUHEJETKILLER

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    This one is easy. NO.
     
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    I agree with the OP and have made several threads about this topic back when it was an issue. The NFL is throwing money away with the way it is right now. The jets are my most hated rival right now, but if we were playing the jags, bucs, and saints or falcons twice a year it would take about two years for everyone to forget our old rivals. But that is just the start. Other natural rivals like jets/giants, or san fran/oak, or ravens/skins would become HUGE new natural rivals that would quickly make everyone forget the old cross nation rivals. It would automatically increase attendence, and cut team travel cost, as well as cause more of a college feel.

    But those in charge that make such decisions will never have the foresight to take a chance on something so obvious. It is a win/win situation, but will never happen.
     
  28. houtz

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    I assume you're talking about Brady's retirement?
     
  29. TheWalrus

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    Realignment is the only viable long term solution to the NFL's attendance problem. I suspect they know that, but the owners have shown themselves to be absolutely unwilling to review a major overhaul of the divisional alignment structure and take advantage of geographical rivalries the way college football does. It's one reason why the NFL has never seriously threatened the passion that college football enjoys and probably never will, and I say that as a bigger NFL fan than college football fan.

    Rivalries have to exist on more than paper and the internet. They grow in neighborhoods split by fandom, by families of different teams coming together, by road trips made by fans of modest means (blue collar fans are the heart of any fanbase). By proximity, in other words. Sure, there would be a backlash, and short term profits would suffer. But the long term gains would be enormous.

    There's nothing quite like a map to show why this should be done, so here's one.

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    The current alignment is utterly ad hoc and ridiculous as a result. A farce. There is no way to look at the map and see the logic in it.

    I gave over a Saturday afternoon a year ago to looking at this and trying to come to a reasonable solution that made for the shortest average distance between teams in divisions while respecting current and common sense rivalries where I could. This made for some awkward pairings (Bengals and Browns with the Titans and Panthers, for instance, instead of with Pittsburgh). But overall I think it provides a good balance.

    For your consideration:

    AFC South:
    Dolphins, Jaguars, Bucs, Falcons

    AFC East:
    Titans, Panthers, Bengals, Browns

    AFC North:
    Patriots, Giants, Jets, Bills

    AFC Central:
    Colts, Chiefs, Rams, Broncos

    NFC East:
    Redskins, Ravens, Steelers, Eagles

    NFC North
    Packers, Bears, Lions, Vikings

    (Any wonder the only division to stay the same is also home to the best rivalries in the NFL?)

    NFC South:
    Cowboys, Texans, Saints, Cardinals

    NFC West:
    Chargers, 49ers, Raiders, Seahawks
     
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  30. utahphinsfan

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    Disagree. Geographic literacy & correctness should have some bearing on sports.

    In the AFC, Move Miami to the South, Indy to the North, & Baltimore to the East.

    NFC realignment... Carolina to the east, Dallas to the West, & Rams to the South
     
  31. Phindog

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    Only reason it would happen is if more NFL teams were added IMO.
     
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    I would be ok with an Atlanta, Tampa, Jax, Miami division. It would cut down on travel. New England could be in a division with the Jets, Philly and Washington.,,,,move the Jets to the NFC. I wouldn't miss playing them. Obviously you would probably have to move teams from the AFC to NFC and vice versa to keep things balanced and 8 divisions of 4 teams each. Not every division would have to be changed. I don't think the Dallas Cowboys need to be in the NFC East, even though they have rivalries with the Skins, Eagles and Giants. But I doubt the owners would approve of most of these alignment ideas.
     
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    Don't agree.

    The revenue would be made up pretty quickly, since the important thing is that it's all football. Just throw in the old rivals as part of the out-of-division games, and the problem is solved. The fact is that the NFL is like a contented cow. But if the NFL actually used its brains, it would send the hot weather teams North during the preseason, September, and half of October, and bring the cold weather teams South from Thanksgiving thru the end of the Season. And the SB would ALWAYS be played either in a warm weather site or a domed Stadium.

    I/m/o, it's better to avoid Slopbowls, Icebowls and El Scorcho Bowls.
     
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    A couple of posters got it right. Geographic rivalries would re-energize the sport to unforeseen levels. And it would hardly take two years to forget about the old rivals. Try half a season. All it would take is one bitter and personal game against Tampa Bay or Jacksonville, followed by the rematch. For anyone who doubts that, we've already had an example in a different sport. The Ft. Lauderdale Striker/Tampa Bay Rowdies rivalry in the late '70s and early '80s was incredibly intense. Fans from both teams would make the trip in either direction. It was such a hated rivalry that even the announcers got carried away. Rick Weaver used to go absolutely nuts when Rodney Marsh tried his patented self-trip in the penalty box at least once or twice per game. There was even anger toward the competing team slogans, when the Strikers paid an ad agency for the ridiculous, "Soccer is the Name of the Game," while Tampa Bay came up with the clever, "Soccer is a Kick in the Grass."
     
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    i hate the idea of realignment.
     
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    The divisions are fine. Geez if it's not the dolphins unis and logo y'all want to change is their conference and or division.
     
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    That is really wild. I went back and looked up the one I made up several months ago and the only thing I had different was I had Tenn and Indy flipped. Every thing else I had was the same.
     
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    Culturally Indianapolis fits much better into the Midwest than Nashville does. But you've identified one of the trickier divisions. On a strictly cultural basis Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Buffalo belong in a division -- all are blue collar towns reliant on manufacturing and shipping jobs (as is Chicago, for that matter). But it seemed illogical to me to not have Cleveland and Cincinnati in a division, or to split up Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

    No matter which way you slice it something gets left out.
     
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    While the rivals would indeed refresh themselves you fail to see my point on revenue. Not all Miami fans live in Florida and Georgia and not all Pats fans live in the New England region of the country. The appeal of being able to market a team to a multitude of regional audiences has a greater value than division rivalries. Limiting the souther teams to only southern states will cost the NFL revenue in big market venues such as NYC, Boston, LA etc...teams who only play southern games would now only continue to be supported closer to there geographic location but there is little incentive for a New York to support a team from Miami if he cannot at least have some chance of watching games such as Buffalo and the Jets. The die hard fans would stay loyal but fair weather fans want to see their team play and will do so only if it is accessible to them at a connivance. Fair weather fans are not going to book tickets to Florida three times a year to watch a team like Miami play, they will simple reallocate themselves to a more local team such as the Giants, Jets, Pitt etc...furture segmenting the division of wealth in the NFL

    By averaging the teams over a greater populous it benefits the NFL and the fans, drawing more into regions where there wouldn't normally be a huge fan base to support that team. Sending Miami to play three sometimes four or five games within driving distance of NYC, Boston , Pitt, Philly and DC has it advantages in the fan base and revenue stream. Fans from Jacksonville, Tampa, Orlando can still drive to 8 homes games a year so why make it more? Your assumption is that all of those fans are going to turn out in greater numbers because the team is playing closer to home at more local venues. I would wager money that assumption if flat out wrong, I would wager that over all revenue would actually decrease because the team is marketed to a limited regional area.

    There is a reason Hardee's and Cracker Barrels are coming North and heading West, the exposer to more clients is larger hence revenue growth, the same can be said about an NFL team and why certain rivals remain on the docket.
     
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    TV revenue is shared league wide, so I'm not even sure what you're getting at here. Say the Giants and Jets are playing at the same time. Half of the TVs in New York/New Jersey on tuned to one game, the other half tuned to the other. If they're playing each other... then what happens? Every TV is tuned to it. What you're saying doesn't make a whole lot of sense. People watch the teams they watch. I doubt MLB was bemoaning the "Subway Series" a few years back between the Yankees and Mets. On the contrary, the ratings were through the roof.

    What the NFL stands to lose in attendance from regional fans (like you) is FAR less than what it stands to gain in attendance by making rivalries more regional, and the issue right now with the NFL isn't TV viewership, it's physical game attendance. You'll notice that colleges never have trouble selling out games. Is this partly because college students don't have the same responsibilities as NFL fans? Sure. But it's also because traveling is easier. If I can get on a bus and go to Tampa or Jacksonville and get back in the same night, how many more games will I go to (and therefore, how much more money will I spend?). A lot more, is the answer.

    Just look at the NFL rivalries right now that ARE regional, to get a sense of what I mean. No NFC North team has trouble selling out a game, for example. Why? Because Minneapolis, Chicago, Detroit and Green Bay are all within a fairly short distance from each other. Same with the Giants and the Eagles. Or the Jets and Patriots. Or the Broncos and Chiefs. Or the Steelers and Ravens. Almost without fail, the most intense rivalries in the NFL are regional ones. Why not extend this easily observable phenomenon to the entire league?
     
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    I'm not talking about TV share, I'm talking about merchandising revenue, stadium sales etc...forget about a championship game or playoff game, you have no control over that but you do however have control over division of wealth in the regular season. There is a reason MLB teams want the NY Yankees on their schedule and I'm saying the same thing about the NFL, certain teams bring business and open up local areas for revenue, the same is true in the NFL and hence the reason certain divisions are structured as they are.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...-cowboys-lead-nfl-with-2-1-billion-valuation/

    Jerry Jones isn't making all his money off Texas, there is a reason he wants to have his team in the NFC East and it is called, NYC, DC, Philly. Funny how the wealthiest teams are playing each other in the same division isn't it...no it isn't, Robert Kraft would move into the NFC East if he could. It is a simple numbers game, the large the population exposer the great amount of fans you are going to collect money from rival or your own.

    http://harvardsportsanalysis.files....-nfl-business-model-and-potential-lockout.pdf

    IDK know about you Walrus but I'd rather have 40% of the ticket revenue of New England than 40% of the ticket revenue of Tampa and Jacksonville combine.
     
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    So why can't the Dolphins sell out games and are in the red when they're in a division with the New York and Boston TV markets? Why would Robert Kraft want Philly and DC when he's already got New York and Miami?

    There's no "reason" NFL divisions are structured the way they are. The whole thing is a cobbled together series of add ons, like a one room shack that's grown into a mansion. At some point you just have to raze the thing and start over.

    If you think a theoretical uptick in merchandising is worth more than a higher # of sellouts (which would enable higher ticket prices), then we just disagree, and that's fine. The Yankees example has little bearing on this because MLB doesn't share all the TV revenue, anymore than small schools wanting to play Alabama has any bearing on it.
     
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    Because we've sucked for over a decade, which is why you want exposure to larger markets, Miami is still a very profitable franchise compared to most and that has to do with diversification of the fan base and marketing. Ross knew that when he brought on Fergie and Lopez etc...he wanted merchandising to skyrocket, who cares if it is in Miami or Istanbul, as long as that little girl idolizes either of those two so might they the Dolphins without ever watching a or knowing about a football game.

    There is a reason behind the way things are structured right now and it has to do with the owners not the NFL.
     
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    i hope the owners dont stand in the way and not allow the right thing to happen.
     

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