Remember this name... ELIOT WOLF our next GM

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  1. PERFECTSEASON13

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    He is a "name" for sure given his father. Don't know anything about him personally, but if we are to make a change at GM, I do want it to be someone from Green Bay because I think that will lead to the smoothest transition with keeping Philbin on board.

    WTF, how old is this guy? He looks Justin Bieber's age. Not sure if I am comfortable with a GM so young honestly...

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    If going the Green Bay route, Russ Ball might be a better get.
     
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    If we are to make a move for a new gm- i hope we do it sooner rather than later. Give someone new the time they need to get a clear picture of what Philbin needs for his system if Philbin is retained. But I think Ross keeps Ireland based on the 2012 draft.
     
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    he's 30, lol pretty young but how s#$^^y would it be to miss out on him and him go on somewhere and build a champion. we missed out on brees twice! i dont know if i could deal with that again.
     
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    Anyone that Philbin is happy with would be a good choice imo. I want us to keep Philbin. If Ross is going to do it he should do it soon so the new GM can get on the same page with Philbin.Also, you want the new GM to be at the senior bowl as our GM so he can get first hand info on the players before the draft. Whoever is the GM he better load up on playmakers man or you'll see a ton of empty seats, even more than you see now.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    Everybody in the Dolphin's organization expected this to be a rebuilding year. The fact that the team got off to a surprisingly well start was a bonus. I believe we may actually end where we were projected to end. As much as I want Ireland gone (for ignoring impact positions of need for so long), I think he'll be around for another year or two.
     
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    I am starting to have the "Anyone but Ireland" feeling.
     
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    It would make sense to bring someone on from GB - I think Ireland sucks in FA but his drafts have been decent. I would hire that guy if I could but Ireland doesn't deserve to get fired.
     
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    I had suggested Wolf a couple of weeks ago. He sounds like he'd be a good hire.
     
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    Ireland should've been fired along with Sparano. Steve Ross is an idiot if he keeps Ireland and lets him bungle our 2013 draft.
     
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    So my dad is a esteemed now -retired city administrator does that mean I am as good, because I am the fruit of his loins?
     
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    Actually it might now be a bad idea. I mean the pros would be that he is young and likely firey. Given his youth I would assume that he is in touch with what the current nfl is and that is high powered passing offense. Negative would be is that he isnt as experienced in player negotiations and contracts. I wouldnt mind taking a flyer on him
     
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    Ireland is married to the Tannehill pick. He will not be fired this offseason, IMO. By picking Tannehill, he set himself up for at least another 3 years.

    And the next GM in MIA will not be some outsider, it will be KING CARL. You people crack me up here.
     
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    I doubt it. I think Philbin is more married to Tannehill than Ireland is. Ireland definitely is not guaranteed anything. If we have a miserably losing season this year, Tannehill does not secure his job as Irelands past is attached to him and is also stronger than the Tannehill pick. And IMO King Carl would do a better job than Ireland could, although I am not saying I want Peterson. IMO if Tannehill is fired it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Philbin gets much more personnel control.
     
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    Depends. If Ross understood this would be a rebuilding season with a young inexperienced rookie QB, than Ireland stays put. If he expected playoffs and the SB like people here, then he will be fired.

    And if you would be happy with Carl Peterson, than you people are in for a rude awakening. I know what Carl is capable of, and know that his success was over 20 years ago. You know the devil in charge now, becareful of the devil you don't know.

    KC Chief fans are grinning right now at the thought of someone thinking King Carl would be a upgrade over anyone.
     
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    I'll keep Jeff Ireland over Carl Peterson, thanks. Jeff Ireland is a bad GM, but at least there's a possibility that he can improve. Carl Peterson... not so much.
     
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    mfish41 It is what it is Donator

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    Honestly if Ross was expecting a rebuilding year why was Ireland retained? He played a significant role in making this mess. He may tie his caboose to Ireland, but i think the stadium is just going to get emptier and emptier. For the record if Ireland is fired, i dont want Carl either. i'd like to see someone who has been working for Ted Thompson for a few years work with Philbin.

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    If he retains Ireland if we go 6-10 or 7-9 again, good luck getting people to buy tickets Mr. Ross.
     
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    get in line bro… several of us have been jocking Eliot for over a year now.

    starting? Starting?!!

    Fruit of the Loins… I used to wear those! seriously, Wolf may be young, but he's been working for the Pack 20yrs; in-between he graduated from The U in 3yrs… and is said to love SoFla. just sayin
     
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    Again, if Ross believed as you and many others here, that this team w/ a young rookie QB could make the playoffs and SB....Ireland will be fired. If Ross believed as I and some others here, that this was a 2 to 4 year rebuild, he will be retained.

    Once Tannehill was selected, Irelands tenure with the team was attached to Tannehills success or lack there of. And that success will not be judged on Tannehills rookie year. IMO, Ross will not make a snap judgement. He will either stay with the guy he put in charge prior to the season or if worse comes to worse, go with a guy he has history with and has had some success in the NFL.

    Becareful what you wish for. If Ireland is gone, King Carl will be in. And then you and many others like you, will be bitching for the next 10 years.
     
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    Why not root for Bill Polian and his son? This is what happens to a starved fan base. They will reach for any straw, even one's that have no track record.
     
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    You take a flyer on a 4th rd draft pick, or a practice squad slot, not on a GM. That being said, I'd probably rather have this guy, knowing absolutely nothing about him, make our draft picks next year than Ireland.
     
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    mfish41 It is what it is Donator

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    I never believed this team was a SB contender, but yes you are correct i expected to at least contend for a wildcard this year or a winning record i.e. 9-7/10-6. I hope Ross had the same belief seeing he retained Ireland, he had to believe this team had some level of talent if he retained the guy. Perhaps Ross is under the impression this is a rebuilding project, but he's going to lose a lot season ticket holders and single game tickets in the process if that's the case. The numbers are already declining and i can't foresee a revival in sales if we finish with another losing record and he brings Ireland back. I disagree with you on whether Ireland's job is tied to the Tannehill selection. I think it helps him in the big picture, but won't be his ace in the hole to save his job. I'm not advocating firing Ireland right now either, i'm waiting for the end of the season to form an opinion. The way we are headed i can't see why i could support him being retained after the season though. I wouldn't be happy with Carl Peterson, but i'd give him the benefit of the doubt until i had a reason not to.... just like i have with Jeff Ireland.
     
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    Didnt Ross say he expected us to be a playoff team this year? I thought he did.
     
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    do we really want Ireland to do this drat with the extra picks we have .im not 100% sold that i would.
     
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    With a QB who started all of 19 some odd games in college? If Ross and others like Mfish41 actually thought this was a playoff team, than realistic expectations are not their strong suit.
     
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    Giving Carl Peterson the benefit of the doubt huh? Seriously? The guy has a track record that got him run out of KC. He left behind a mess. And was the genious who brought in Herm ****ing Edwards. But YOU would give him the benefit of the doubt. I can't debate you anymore.

    And thinking this was a playoff team. Goes to show you had your head in the clouds prior to the season, with a rookie QB who is/was raw. With a new system on offense and defense. And having a talent pool built for a power team and not a finesse team. This team needs a complete REBUILD. This team was built with apples, while oranges are now needed.
     
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    If we go in another direction, I would want it to be someone Philbin knows and trusts. bottom line. If Philbin is following GB recipe then I would be allright with Wolf or Ball.

    But has anyone considered that if you let Ireland go, then 40 scouts may go too? Where do these young guys have relationships that can bring in scouts from GB or wherever?

    Do the current scouts stay no matter?

    I dont know the answer to these questions, but with the way we are set up this offseason, it better be right!!!
     
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    So if Jeff Ireland picked those rotten apples why would you leave him in charge to pick the oranges? Because he hasn't done it before and we can't judge him by his apples because we're dealing with oranges? Just going off your analogy...... at what point is he just a bad GM irregardless of the produce he's picking? I don't know why you keep trying to pigeonhole me as a Peterson guy, i said i wasn't. Hypothetically if he were the GM i'd give him a chance is all i said. At the very least he built a team that competed and won games in KC. Again though, YOU'RE assuming that's the direction they would go if Ireland was canned, i could make the argument Philbin may request someone he worked with in GB or in the past. You seem to forget Peterson was a consultant that eventually led to the decision to retain Ireland, so is it possible Ross may not want his input further on? This schedule was weak sauce going into the season with only 4 teams who made the playoffs last year, the rookie qb has been working under this offense for around five years, and we returned almost all of our defensive starters from last year so i did expect this team to compete. I'm sure Ross believed the same thing too because Ireland told him there was talent, irregardless of what produce it may be akin to, on this team. If we have another losing record, i think Ireland should be gone and if Carl Peterson does take over i'll worry about that IF it does occur. I'm not going to continue to eat Jeff Ireland's rotting produce because of possible fear Carl Peterson may come sell me some that he's been keeping in his butt crack.
     
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    irregardless is not a word. my wife is a teacher. She has corrected me on this silly word. The word is regardless.
     
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    To be fair, Scott Pioli has made the situation worse and only 1 player he's brought in is seen as an asset currently (Eric Berry). But that's an argument for a different day.

    As for our new GM... Omar Khan Omar Khan Omar Khan.
     
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    First off I'm holding out on Ireland until the end of the season. I won't jump the gun, there are plenty of games left to see if development and progress can be made with this past draft class.

    As for your 'rookie qb' working under the same system for 5 years statement. A player with 19 collegiate starts as a QB makes him raw. Period. Running routes doesn't prepare you for handling the blitz. Running routes doesn't prepare you in manipulating a pocket. I seriously can't believe you would equate WR and QB. If Tannehill had been at least a full 2 year starter, you may have had a reason to expect playoffs. But he wasn't.

    Going into this season. This team had drafted players to run completely different schemes. And it has shown on numerous occasions.

    And for every action, there is a reaction. Carl Peterson is a TRUSTED advisor to Ross. He will find his way back to being a GM sooner or later. I just don't want it in MIA.
     

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