Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Casas9425, May 22, 2012.
Nice to see Garrard performing well, even if it is OTA's.
It's early in this battle, but I'm glad to hear he's doing well. If he begins to play like the healthy Pro Bowl caliber player he was then he definitely has a shot at winning the job.
Garrard has the most experience and considering it's a new system it is no surprise he is ahead. Looks like David's back is feeling better and having a year off has helped him. What i am excited about is the dolphins are running 2 minute drills allot getting used to running the offense at a higher tempo something we haven't seen the dolphins do in a long time.
His Carrer QBR is 90. He's going to be tough to beat.
Not surprising. I expect that to continue. I've said many times, going all the way back to the day he was officially signed, that I expect him to earn the starting job.
Matt Moore is not a good practice player. He's better in the games than he is in practice, I believe.
Ryan Tannehill knows the offense. That's true enough. But David Garrard knows the offense AND the defense.
While it's nice from a pure development standpoint that Ryan Tannehill is in a comfortable playbook to where he can begin immediately acclimating to the increased speed of the game, and learning how NFL defenses like to attack him, knowing the playbook is not something that is going to see him starting from day one. It's not THAT big of an advantage. For veterans like Moore and Garrard, learning the playbook is just a matter of time, and not even that much time.
Garrard already essentially knows the playbook. There isn't a single play in there he hasn't seen before. It was just called something else, when he learned it. He was taught the WCO by Bill Musgrave for a couple of years when he joined the league, I think his first two or three years. The other offenses he had with Dirk Koetter and others, there were a lot of WCO elements in there, just as with many offenses around the NFL. He talked about how early in his career he thought learning a new playbook was very daunting, but now he feels like he's got it right away because he's seen all of this before and just has to learn the names of the plays and how to call them. The biggest transition for him will be the hand signaling because he might not be used to that. But it's not going to be that big a deal for a heady veteran like him, any more than it was for Chad Pennington.
I've seen Miami's QB situation compared with the Titans' QB situation in 2011 and I like that comparison. The problem is, people think Matt Moore is the Matt Hasselbeck. I don't think so. I think David Garrard is. He will get a firmer grasp on the playbook faster than Matt Moore. He will look better in practice. He's already a favorite of Joe Philbin's and that is one of the reasons he's here. He's more of a guy you can count on to take Ryan Tannehill under his wing than Matt Moore, who is trying to make his name and does not appreciate the competition. I think Garrard has a better veteran presence and the players will gravitate toward him more. His game is more compatible with Mike Sherman's, as well. I don't think Joe Philbin is in love with Matt Moore and I think his praise of him in the past has almost come across as like a backhanded compliment.
Gerrard is not a bad QB, he worked his way up in that mess called JAX. Hes a proven playmaker, and lets not forget how much talent he had surrounding him on the Jags......Its nice having multiple options at QB, hopefully one will finally work.
I like the fact that Gerrard took a Jags team with no WRs to the playoffs.
May the best man win...
I think it will take some time for Tannehill to get used to the speed of the game in the NFL.
While I agree that Garrard will be the week 1 starter, I hope nobody is expecting more than a game managing type of QB out of him. His stats are less than impressive. He's an 86 career QB rating, not a 90. He's thrown more than 20 TDs only once in his career. the only 2 seasons in which he started all 16 games, he finished with ratings of 82 and 84 (rounded up). He averaged 19 tds to 12 ints his last 2 seasons. If he played like he did in 07 (18 and 3), That would be great. But while our future at the QB position looks like it could be bright, Garrard does not get me excited in the least bit as the starter this season.
Yea, this should really be no surprise to anyone at all, in fact I think the only way Garrard doesn't end up the starter this season is if he just isn't healthy.
Through more than the last half of last season, outside of NE, we played the best ball in the division, and had the best performing QB. If Garrard, or even T-Hill beats Moore out in a fair competition, it means we've even upgraded beyond that and are likely looking pretty good.
Exactly. Matt Moore is the crowd favorite ( and owner choice) but if David takes advantage of Matt's poor practice habits and is clearing our best choice to start the season so be it. Tannehill will get his shot but it's nice to have veteran options.
Competition is all good, garrard wil win it though... I guess this will be a 2 Qb season..
No matter who starts we should be at better shape at QB than we have been since Pennington signed.
no surprise here, he is the best qb on the roster at the moment. As far as past success in the nfl.
Fine with me. If the Dolphins were to somehow win 10 games with Garrard at QB, I wouldn't complain.
Wow, that's a whole lot of opinions being formulated based on the 1st day of OTAs.
Didn't Blaine Gabbert beat out Garrard last year in preseason?
I remember watching a concession video interview last year. I like all 3 guys about the same, but I can't help but think the two guys who weren't beaten out by Blaine Gabbart have the edge.
Tell me about it, FOUR HOURS into OTAs and fans have picked our starting QB, lol.
But wait, he was also the only QB to throw a interception! OMG, what can that mean?
That works for me. I don't want Tannehill starting until late in the season when we're out of contention.
It is a huge reach to name Garrard the starter, Like CP said, Moore doesn't practice well and that might give Garrard a slight advantage through camp.
The job will be won based upon the preseason game performances. The other issue is how well Garrard hold up. He is still fresh, after a few months, his back might start acting up.
At this point, I think it is Moore's job to lose. He better play great because Garrard will take the starter's job if he slips.
All three(4) QB's bring something to the table. We are in great shape with excellent depth, experience and youth.
My opinion has nothing to do with what happened today.
No. David Garrard was hurt with a serious back injury (herniated disc) and they cut him because they didn't think he could play.
He wasn't beaten out by Gabbert.
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Those that believe I ever came even close to insinuating that I believe David Garrard will win the starting job based on today's OTA are bad with reading comprehension.
We talkin' bout practice?
No. Gabbert didn't beat out Garrard last year in preseason.
Blaine Gabbert was not named the starter for Jacksonville until their third game of the season.
The Jags also cut Garrard because they didn't want to pay him the $8+ million he was due.
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We're talking about practice because that is where it all starts.
I Can't wait until we establish a QB as the undisputed starter for years to come and he gets all of the 1st team reps and builds cohesion with his WR's.
this, if jville thought he was more than a game manager they would have never let him go even he was hurt...you wait on good QBs to come back...
Do I want Garrad to start? Not really but I'll take a game managing QB at this point if he wins the starting QB battle. Pennington was nothing more than a game managing QB and he took a 1-15 team to the playoffs.
Sounds like he's healthy, which is good news.
Garrard is decent as long as he had MJD to hand the ball too.
Seriously, walk away from the edge..........................
I'm glad he's lighting a fire under Moore and Tanny. The better the competition, the more whoever wins deserves it.
I remember Garrard as a QB we had to be concerned about. One who could beat us. Glad to see him on our sideline.
Did you send that memo to Indy?
waitin til preseason to see with my own eyes. Moore is the one least familiar with this offense. Garrard has an advantage knowing this offense too and how it is run. Moore has the knack to pick it up though, as he proved last year in a year with no offseason.
Garrard will be Pennington-like of 08.
As it has been said, Matt Moore is a gamer, not a practice player. I think I was the same way so I will always have a warm spot for those like him. To be honest, Tim Tebow is not a practice player but he wins football games.
The big thing here is that I do not care at all who our starting QB is, who our starting RB, who our starting WRs are etc etc etc. I just want the player who will help us win more games to play the most.
Yep I second that I am tired of the loosing. I do not care who starts as long as we end up winning the games. I sure like the percieved QB depth though you can never have enough of that. My current concerns have more is if do we have the right coaching staff first and second can our defense play as well as better as they did under Nolan. I see a lot of new inexperienced coaches with no track record on the team which makes me nervous more than anything else about this team. We are all focusing on the players but the Shula years proved to me you can coach up the talent enough to beat superior talent that is not well coached.
i wanted us to draft garrard ages ago, but i guess i was also an ECU homer because i was a trainer there when garrard played and got to see how strong garrard's arm was in practice. its 10+ years later but at least i dont have to trade for him on madden anymore.
Garrard was a good player who helped lead JAC to the playoffs with receivers similar to ours (no name) with 18 td and 3 int in 07. his injury is the reason why Gabbert started and why he was cut. IF healthy, he could easily win the starting spot from Moore. I honestly expect this to be a 2 QB race unless Tanny completely lights it up
Matt Moore needs to play well in the preseason games, or he'll be standing on the sidelines with Ryan Tannehil in 2012l.
Very well said, I also believe that Moore will take a little longer to get the offense down. I personally refuse to make any judgements after one OTA, but will wait until the 2nd or 3rd preseason game to make a prediction. My hunch is Garrard will look best early, and Moore looking better by middle/end of camp, with Tannehill possibly overtaking both by end of preseason. But as I said that is just a hunch, way too much football to be played before then.