Resigning Long

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  1. robisok

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    How realistic do you think the chances are that we could resign Jake Long to an incentive heavy contract? Essentially one that pays him a base salary for the type of player he is now (an above average tackle who is injury prone) with incentives if he returns to his form of a few years ago. I know incentives are a bit tougher to measure for a lineman. Also is there anything in the new CBA that would have salary cap implications for doing this? Possibly Long would be up for it since he cashed in nicely on his rookie contract.
     
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    I doubt he would be up for an incentive laden contract because just like anybody else money is the motivator. Nothing about Long suggests anything different esp the tough stance with his rookie contract
     
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    I think the only way that happens is if he has problems passing physicals with some teams. Otherwise, he will be expecting a pretty big payday. I don't see Joe Thomas money anymore, given the injuries the last few years, but probably more than he is worth based on what we have seen the last couple years.
     
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    Not really a good fit for the new scheme, but the Dolphins can afford him and he's 1 of 3-4 pro bowl players.. I think he will stay and make top 5 money
     
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    11% chance. He's just gonna want to much $. Plus I get the feeling Martin is gonna show enough potential that he will take over the LT position next year. If thats the case then put it at zero, (mark it down dude).

    People always ***** about Ireland but they actually don't take the time to look at things he's done differently since Parcells left. Take this situation for instance. When Parcels ran the fins they drafted LT in the 1st & QB in the 2nd. Now with Ireland in charge it was the exact opposite. Coincident, I think not.

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    I am not really interested in Long anymore.
     
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    yet another jersey to add to my pile of players no longer with the team..
     
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    Jake Long is going to be franchise tagged.
     
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    I know I am in the minority, but I think there's a decent chance we re-sign Long. Signing Long saves us a draft pick we could use elsewhere, and even during a down season, he only gave up 4 sacks.

    As far as incentives go, they count against the cap if they are "likely to be earned". The CBA says a bonus is likely to be earned if a player has previuosly achieved that goal. For example, if one of the incentives is for Long to be voted to a Pro Bowl, it would be considered likely to be earned because he has been to the Pro Bowl. If he doesnt reach the Pro Bowl and has that incentive written into his contract, then the team would be be credited with cap space equal to that bonus.
     
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    The long situation will play out like the Soliai situation did last year - he will be permitted to test the market and then only resign with the Dolphins if is willing to accept a contract worthy of his current level of play.
     
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    Jake Long is gone. Move on. Get over it.
     
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    The recent article about continuing to improve the dolphins that quoted another GM used a usefulness criteria: a QB that plays in 14 games at a high level. I believe this criteria should be applied to the five important positions when evaluating contracts. The five are QB, 1st corner, LT, Primary pass rusher, and #1 WR. Given Jake's injury history, the most I would offer is the 12th highest paid LT. I am sure someone will offer more.
     
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    I can't see any other team giving up big money either for someone who is constantly hurt
     
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    There is always one team that will pay stupid money.
     
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    bingo! why let the opportunity go if you know teams will pay him big bucks to be on their squad?

    His injuries aside, he is still a very good tackle, and everyone gets injured every so often. It is Incognito who needs a replacement more IMO. Saw Samuida playing a little RG the other day.
     
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    Franchising a tackle that has been banged up and dissapointing the last couple of years is not a recipe for success
     
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    I have no interest in franchising Long for $15 million and having almost 1/3 of our available cap space eaten up almost right off the bat. It would be beyond stupid to commit that kind of money to an injury-prone, declining left tackle.
     
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    I got two Trent Green replicas i can send you. lol.
     
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    Its one year. We will be able to afford it. Especially since Philbin wont want another teams FA. It will be a move that shows the team that management will keep the family together. I know that probly wont mean much to you, but there is a method to the madness. Its one year or we make an offer that is friendly like Soliai as someone above mentioned.

    Guard will get makeover IMO.
     
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    Hopefully slim to none!

     
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    This is why the only JErseys I own are Marino and Thomas. I will likely never buy another jersey again what with the way players come and go
     
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    Jake Long,Karlos Dansby.Tony McDaniel,Richard Marshall,Justin Smilley,Jake Grove,
    Gibril Wilson,Lydon Murtha,Kevin Burnett,Marc Colombo, all agree
     
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    yeah, then the same subjects come around at FA time and biotch about not spending some big money. Finheaven is a world where your damned if you do, damned if you dont.
     
  25. dlockz

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    when they start winning and the complaints are just as bad theyn u can say that but most people on this board have only been around for the losing
     
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    What incentive? Something like the pro-bowl? A lot of good that would do...they vote him in even when he doesn't deserve it.
     
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    Please NOOOOOOOO!! We need that money to sign a couple of solid free agents. Like a WR and a OG!!!!
     
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    well after blowing draft picks and free agent signings i think it was about time we took a QB in rd 1. It isnt rocket science, no props to Ireland for this one.
     
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    Agree, im sure theres plenty more where that came from
     
  30. goonies

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    I would only sign jake long if he will be our right tackle and take right tackle money. If not , love you jake , give him his walking papers and thank him for the solid years.
     
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    Ppl crack me up with this constantly hurt bs. He's missed a couple of games the past few seasons. The beast plays through injury even. Long is getting re-signed or tagged. Live with it. He's a perrenial Pro Bowl LT who had a couple of bad games. Plz. Smdh He was placed on IR for the past few games the past two years because we weren't going to the playoffs. Ppl need to get real, sheesh.
     
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    Even if we were superbowl contenders there was no way he could play through a triceps tear, its like an announcer said, the DE would just keep attacking that arm.
     
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    I hope not. He is not worth that kind of money. I like the "play in 14 games at high level" criteria for big money. Jake Long has been a very good player, but he misses too many games to be franchised.
     
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    I hope we dont waste $$$ on this guy...
     
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    I hope we dont franchise anyone. I want Smith Starks and Long. No one else, spend the rest of the cap on depth and one of the perennial receivers. Fix everything else through the draft.
     
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    There are over 500 different combinations of players we can re-sign or not of our major free agents and I bet every single one of them would get votes if we could make a poll that big.
     
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    You forgot Ernest Wilford, Bobby Carpenter, Reggie Torbor, Charlie Anderson, Charles Grant, Igor Olshansky, Larry Johnson, Nate Jones, Tim Dobbins, Jason Trusnik, Gary Guyton


    and others.
     
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    Franchise. Then look to sign long term IF her performs well in 2013. If we can't/won't resign - trade him.

    Use this off season for DE, WRs, TE, Gs, CB, S, Speed LBs, RB. We may already have some of those players on the practice squad or IR. Not really a lot to ask. I'm asking for good football players that help the team. I think some of them can become super stars in time. The main players for next year is another DE, two new Gs, diffrence making WRs, and speed LBs. I know we seem to need secondary help. However, if you notice teams with a good front seven the secondary doesn't have to be outstanding (i.e. Partriots, GB, 49ers, Steelers)
     
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    what are we going to do when we have new uniforms next year.ill have to buy a RT and our wr we pick in he first round
     
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    Jake Long will not and should not go anywhere. Many hold this grudge that we didnt take Ryan over Long. Many dont remember that we had the worse offensive line in NFL history prior to drafting Long. Long has been a vital piece in our ability to find and develope a QB. Mat Ryan would of been a bust if we didnt have a LT and at least a solid offensive line. Like Johnathen Ogden, and Richmond Webb you do not let go of a player like Long who has Hall of Fame potential. He is a rock that needs to be kept as a dolphin. And please get over this bias some of you have just because Parcells drafted him.
     

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