RichmondWeb's perfect 2014 Miami draft:

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  1. RichmondWeb

    RichmondWeb Greetings from Portlandia Finheaven VIP

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    I'm not falling for the old "round 1 OL panic/reach" (again). We have our LT so we can rebuild our OL the way smart teams do, with mid/late rounders, UFAs, and castoff FAs. It worked for Seattle and Denver who got to the Superbowl on backup Tackles. We even have an OL Coach now! So instead we can draft impact players with incredible upside; the more, the better!



    1. #19- Marquis Lee WR, USC (Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham)(sorry, Zack...)

    2. #50- Traded to SF for #77, #94, #241, #242 in this scenario. Trade to Cleveland also possible (but less likely) for #71 & #83, OR #71 (or #83), #106, & #127.

    3. #77- Christian Jones LB, FSU (Chris Borland, Jordan Tripp, Telvin Smith)

    3. #81- Traded to Cleveland for #106 & #127.

    3. #94- Jerick McKinnon RB, Georgia Southern (Lache Seastrunk, DeAnthony Thomas)

    4. #106- Ahmad Dixon SS, Baylor (Dion Bailey, Ed Reynolds)

    4. #116- JaWuan James OT, Tennessee (Billy Turner, Jack Mewhort, Michael Schofield)

    4. #127- E. J. Gaines CB, Missouri (Phillip Gaines, Pierre Desir, Louchiez Purifoy)

    5. #155- Max Bullough ILB, Michigan St. (Lamin Barrow, Yawin Smallwood)

    6. #190- Larry Webster TE, Bloomsburg (Blake Annen, A.C. Leonard, Colt Lyerla)

    7. #234- Bryn Renner QB, North Carolina (Brett Smith, Stephen Morris)

    7. #241- Russell Bodine C/OG, North Carolina (Tyler Larsen, Spencer Long)

    7. #242- Calvin Barnett DT, Oklahoma St. (Zack Kerr, Ryan Carrethers)


    The sweet spot in this draft is rounds 3-4 before all those 4th round comps. Plus some extra 7ths are nice in a deep draft like this.

    SF is a likely trade up team with too many picks for their talented roster, although they may try to convert some picks into 2015s.

    Cleveland, although rebuilding, has too many selections as well and may wish to move up and consolidate. This deal still leaves them with 2-1sts, 1-2nd, and 3-3rds plus their lower picks. With that many 1st-4th picks, hopefully they won't blow them all on day one, and instead make a sweet deal with us!

    Except for a few special players, like Lee and McKinnon, there is deep enough talent in this draft to let some other teams go at the trough first. Then using extra picks, come in and clean-up on leftovers. Mostly what we need from this draft are depth and Special Teams guys, with big upside, whom we can coach up for the future!


    That is what I would do!

    RW
     
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  2. futurescout

    futurescout Well-Known Member

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    San Fran has invested quite a few first rounders into their oline.. seems to have paid off.. and Jawuan James will be long gone by 116... he may not make it to 50

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    McKinon in the 3rd is absolutely terrible
     
  3. rickd13

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    I agree with you about not wanting the Dolphins to panic and "reach" in desperation for an offensive lineman in the first round. I hope the Dolphins do not take an offensive lineman in the first round. I am starting to get my hopes up for Marquis Lee in the first round also. If Miami does go offensive lineman in the first round, then I would love to see the Dolphins draft Donte Moncrief at some point.
     
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    I think Lee would be a great first round pick. Our passing game would be scary
     
  5. RichmondWeb

    RichmondWeb Greetings from Portlandia Finheaven VIP

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    Spending 1st and 2nd's has not worked for us, however (see: definition of insanity). I see playoff teams with good OLines which didn't cost them their future. Expensive draft picks are not the only way to build a good OL. There will be a good RT at #116.

    I love McKinnon's upside; he could become a cross between Doug Martin and Darron Sproles who can also throw from the backfield, a Madden covergirl...or...he could struggle. You're right, it's risky; a RT there would be a safer bet. But He's my guy so I grabbed him before someone else does.

    The 3 guys I want are:

    1. Lee
    2. McKinnon
    3. Webster (if we get some extra picks) A BB player who may be the best athlete in this TE class. His dad was a Miami DE.

    If those 3 guys hit, we could outscore anybody, like a younger New Orleans!


    All the rest I'm fine with the alternates (Dixon would be nice too)

    The important thing is to deal for extra picks before the end of round 4.

    RW
     
  6. fishbanger

    fishbanger Phin fan since 1970!

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    Too many trade downs and passing on great talent in the second round is dumb.
     
  7. Awsi Dooger

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    It's hard to keep reading once there are projected trades. I don't know anybody who is that good.
     
  8. BlueFin

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    Yeah...don't see that happening....Lee's production ended with Barkley...Brandin Cooks followed closely by Beckham are my receiver choices.

    James will not be there in round 4...nor will Turner.

    Lee is an average receiver with average numbers who fell off the planet once Barkley left.....Cooks is an explosive rare player with amazing quicks...playmaker.
     
  9. RichmondWeb

    RichmondWeb Greetings from Portlandia Finheaven VIP

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    OK, let's play football....My 11 guys versus your seven. Your "great talent" 2nd can cover my 2-3rds and 2-7ths and your 3rd can guard my 2-4ths.

    What is "dumb", is not trying to acquire extra picks in this draft.

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    Just because he is a former QB in an option offense, doesn't mean he can throw. He didn't complete a pass against Florida.
     
  11. RichmondWeb

    RichmondWeb Greetings from Portlandia Finheaven VIP

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    As I said, both SF and Cleveland will be motivated to move up. Also the picks they got were Miami's original picks which could be negotiated well in advance of draft day. If they don't happen, that is okay; the point is to try to trade down and acquire extra 3s and 4s with whomever we can trade. These trades make some sense pre-draft, but yes, it will be different on draft day. For me, the trading projections do not ruin the mock, they enhance it.

    RW
     
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    McKinnon is intriguing as heck, rare combo of speed and power. Well built but extremely raw. Never played RB before. I heard he had fumbling issues during senior bowl week. But a rare talent
     
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    I dont really think we need 3 7th rd picks
     
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    Canadi-Phin I hate everyone else in the AFC East

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    So you blame Lee for having a crappy QB?? Lee is the guy I think is going to surprise people the most. Kind of like Keenan Allen. Not the same player but has been so good for so long that everyone is taking him for granted. This kid can straight up play.
     
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    Don't like it.

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  16. RichmondWeb

    RichmondWeb Greetings from Portlandia Finheaven VIP

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    That is what I see. Lee's 2013 was tough with its coaching changes, QB incompetence, double coverage, and nagging injuries; all told I am still impressed with what he did accomplish. I remember his superhuman 2012, as just a sophomore, after which he was rated #3 on Walter's 2014 board behind only Bridgewater and Clowney. Yes, he did have a good supporting cast but if not for his 2013 circumstances and the ascention of other WRs like Watkins, we would never have had a shot at Lee at #19 without trading away our 2015 1st. That is why we should not hesitate to snag him if he is there. If last spring you had told me that next year we can draft Lee at number #19, I'd be floored. But if you told me we would probably pass on him for a OG/RT, I would say "WITF???"! Didn't we pass on Randy Moss?

    I'm hoping Ross will see the value of adding one of these superstar WR's, from a ticket sales standpoint, and makes sure we take advantage of this amazing opportunity. The teams' future is on the line here; a crucial test for our new FO. Why?

    1. Lee, without bad circumstances in 2013, would be a top 5 player (special talent).

    2. Miami can find RG and RT help in later rounds (don't panic).

    3. Miami has no true #1 WR (team need).

    4. When Mike Wallace fails to deserve his salary again in 2014, the team will be ready (team leverage).

    5. Wallace needs some competition to push him (strengthen the WR position).

    6. Rookie WRs need a year to develop; when Lee is needed, he'll be ready (plan ahead).

    7. If both Lee and Wallace play well next year, Miami will be formidable (multiple threats).

    8. How often will Miami have the opportunity to draft a #1 WR without trading up (rare opportunity).

    9. "Who is that #9?" (John Gruden).

    10. The offense needs more playmakers for their new new look and OC (offensive diversity).

    11. Lee will provide excitement for the fanbase (sell empty seats).

    12. Fans are sick of the Dolphins annualy spending top picks on O-Linemen and they still are rebuilding (definition of insanity).

    13. Most good teams seem able to build their OLs without drafting all 5 in the top rounds (winners are creative and resourceful).

    14. It will be a miracle if a guy that special falls to them at #19 (Destiny).

    15. Lee will provide a downfield threat if Wallace is hurt (Depth).

    16. Of all the players available in the draft, Lee is easily the best choice for the Dolphins (No Question).


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  17. BlueFin

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    Its not so much that I don't like Lee...I just think Cooks is going to be an absolute stud in the NFL and greater.
     
  18. spiketex

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    I think that you've got the wrong Gaines. Philip Gaines from Rice looks a natural athlete and was invited for a private workout in Miami. He's got skinny legs but he looks a bit of a natural. When was the last time that Rice developed a really good footballer? I don't know how risk averse Hickey is. However, I get the impression that Ireland would have swooped on Philip Gaines in about the 4th round. He looks a more ready than Taylor and Davis to be a starter.
     

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