Ricky on 1st Team, Ronnie Brown 2nd Team...But Showing Better Hands

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  1. Calvin Clean

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    Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown are working on the 1st and 2nd team respectively. Ronnie is showing his catching ability by out performing Ricky so far.

    The following is a quote from Greg Bedard's daily camp report from the Palm Beach Post:

    RICKY WILLIAMS UPDATE

    For the first time Williams took all of his snaps with the first team, and rookie Ronnie Brown worked with the second team. The running backs were used mostly as receivers in a practice dominated by the shotgun formation. Williams has improved greatly catching the ball, but he's still a ways behind Brown, whose great hands helped vault him to the No. 2 overall pick in the draft.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/Dolphins/
     
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    I told everybody that Brown has better hands then Ricky
     
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    Thats the way it should be at this point.
     
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    This shouldn't be surprising to anybody. Brown's known to have excellent hands...Ricky is not.(although he's much improved from his NO days)
     
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    Thanks for the news flash :rolleyes: Pretty sure we all knew Ronnie has superior receiving skills.
     
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    Ricky has averaged about 50 receptions per year. Not bad for a guy with questionable hands. I know Ronnie has better hands than Ricky, but let's not get carried away about it. Some people make Ronnie sound like Randy Moss. I hate to say it, but Ricky is still a better all around RB than Brown. Brown has a lot to learn. He doesn't have the instincts, quickness, and creativity Williams has. He may develop it. But Ricky was just born with it. Good luck to both of them against Pittsburg. We'll have a great tandem after our 4th game.
     
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    indeed.... he was always said to have "small hands" and dropped a lot in N.O. Yet in '02 he was very effective recieving out of the backfield.
     
  9. Calvin Clean

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    I agree! Ronnie needs to prove that he can run and catch the ball in the pros. It will be nice to get a glimpse of him run against Pittsburgh on Saturday.
     
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    I like the research here. Ricky can't be as bad at catching the ball as people say he is. The stats are not supporting that.
     
  11. outlawd2u

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    I don't think any of us can say for sure that Ricky Williams is a better RB than R. Brown. From all the highlight clips I've watched of Brown, he has a lot better vision, and more moves then he seems to be getting credit for. Also RIGHT NOW Brown is Bigger, Faster, and as it's been well documented is a better WR, and from everything I read or hear he is an Excellent Blocker. Ricky does have some major skills at RB, but to say he's better than R. Brown before you even see Brown play a game in the NFL is a bit premature.
     
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    I think you just gotta give the edge to RW becasue he's the vet. He's proven his skills already. I doubt RB has the NFL vision that RW does. Not that he can't or won't, he just doesn't have it yet. I also doubt that RB has better moves than RW.
     
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    Just about everyone agrees Ronnie has the best hands at RB since Tomlinson.
     
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    Then next year Reggie Bush will take that honor.
     
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    I don't know about the vision, I think RB has pretty darn good vision, but anyway.......... Like I said lets wait a year or two and decide who is or was better, because right now you could make a case for either one saying that Ronnie Brown just doesn't have the experience and has a lot to learn but you could also say that Ricky Williams has really only had one good season(take away his 2002 campaign and he has a career average of something like 3.7 yards per carry
     
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    I love the fact that we're able to have this debate but Ricky has proven what he can do and Ronnie hasn't.
     
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    Congratulations captain obvious. :lol:

    Show me one person who thought the opposite and ill show you a woman/fool/kid.
     
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    Word around draft time was that Ronnie had the best hands of anyone in the draft including all WRs... so I'm not surprised by this
     
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    Wouldn't that be the year after next?
     
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    they might be wasting too many reps on Ricky. He wont even be available til the 5th game of the season..
     
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    I think to be fair you need to watch ricky's COLLEGE highlights in order to compare the two, because there is a difference between the play in NCAA and in the NFL. Not saying Ronnie sucks or even that ricky is better, that can't be judged effectively until we all see both of them play in regular season action against the starters that are actually trying their hardest, not just in for a series or two in preseason, but to look at Ronnie's college highlights and compare them to ricky's NFL highlights and say that he looks better isn't really fair (i apologize if you are comparing the two's NCAA highlights). You also have to take into account the fact that Ronnie shared snaps so in a lot of the highlights he can be a lot fresher than ricky was running at. I just think we will really see what BOTH are made of once the regular season starts, we will see if Ronnie can make the transfer and if Ricky can make the comeback.
     
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    All the reviews had the best hands at the draft...

    1-MWilliams Det
    2-HMiller Pit
    3-RBrown Mia


    Which puts Brown (and Miller) ahead of every other WR . Pretty damn good.
     
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    I think what really counts for these guys is Ricky puts the ball on the ground too much. If Ronnie can hold onto it MOST of the time, I think you will see him get a lot of the carries in the goal line, and red zone opportunities.

    Turnovers kill.
     
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    Good work, I dont think anyone was doubting.
     
  25. Mauler

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    Rickys stats on fumbling (for the record)...

    22 fumbles lost in 70 games
    A fumble lost every 3.2 games. Exactly 5 a year.

    1589 carries
    +229 receptions
    =
    1818 touches

    He's averaged 25.9 touches per game.
    A fumble lost every 77.7 touches.
     
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    good job, stats never lie!
     
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    Good post.
     
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    that's going a bit too far for someone who hasn't played a down yet.

    He would make a good 3rd down back until the's ready and the fins are ready to part ways w/ RW or Rw has secured that 8.6 million.
     
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    I like Ronnie and I believe that is going to be good.....but I do desagree with your post.
     
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    Watch TT's Runningback video and read the post's in the thread. Almost everyone comments on how awesome Ricky was in his highlights. Ronnie didnt get mentioned nearly as much as Ricky. This proves nothing I realize but it does say that when people watched Ricky they were blown away by how good he looked. And being Ronnie is our top pick nobody wants to think that he may not be as good as Ricky but not to many people were blown away by his highlights.
     
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    i was just going to say that... many said he had the best hands in the draft, i know jon gruden said so as well (not that THAT means anything)... but still a bold statement to make
     
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    I like this...Saban is probably thinking..'Let's cut through the bullcrap, we only have 3 more weeks of preseason so let's get our 2 best RB's going...."
     
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    Everyone knows that, Jon Gruden went as far as to say Ronnie had the best hands in the combine. Wide receivers included.
    If you guys recall the 1999 draft, Edgerrin James was taken by Indianapolis ahead of Ricky because they felt he could catch better out of the backfield. Not to say Ricky can't catch, but it's not his forté.
     
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    everyone already new
     
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    Yes. This was not news. Not criticizing anyone for posting it. Just agreeing that he was already known for hands. His college coach was telling reporters he could play WR in the NFL. Maybe that was euphoria, or exaggeration, or maybe not, but it attests to Ronnie's hands.
     
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    I thought that was the purpose of WRs? i always that you wanted a RB to run the ball? in which case Ricky is more better at that than Ronnie.
     
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    How do you know that (the bold part)? Have you seen Ronnie play in an NFL game yet? I'd hold off on such comments until you see the man play in a real situation.
     
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    This is kind of off this topic but can anyone tell me if Ronnie Brown was a kick returner at Auburn?

    I watched 3 Auburn games last season and I'm sure I saw him returning, and skillfully at that.
     
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    It isn't that difficult to know because VERY FEW backs are blessed with the abilities Williams possesses. I'll take it a step further. IF RONNIE is AS GOOD as Williams, then he wouldn't have been sharing snaps with Carnell at Auburn. OR if you were to put RW on that Auburn team with Ronnie and Carnell, then neither one of them would have seen the field very much. THAT IS FACT.

    And here is my opinion: Ronnie Brown will probably struggle somewhat behind our line for several reasons:1) He has to adjust to the speed of the NFL in REAL LIVE GAME ACTION. 2) He is a PURE straight ahead power runner. In the NFL, with a questionable line, that will not equate into an impressive YPC. (See Eddie George - though not nearly as immobile as George) Ricky will be great for Ronnie and Ronnie will gain alot of knowledge from Ricky. But (and here is the big one) when Ricky gets back from his suspension, look for him to, within two or three games, take over most of the Tail Back work.
     
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    No. You want a RB that can do more than just run the ball.
     

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