Rishard Matthews

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  1. uk_dolfan

    uk_dolfan Founder of the FH Adam Gase fan club Moderator Finheaven VIP

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    Omar Kelly@OmarKellynow
    Dolphins top performers 1. WR Rishard Matthews (3 TDs). 2. Safety Kelcie McCray (Int, big goal line breakup). 3. Koa Misi (pick 6)

    I have read a lot of good tweets about this kid so far in the OTA's im aware this means little but he also flashed some ability in games and pre season last year as well. Gibson, Wallace and Hartline should all be productive next year, it will be a massive improvement upon last year if we can also get some production out of others like Binns or Mathews.

    Ive a good feeling about this kid.

    A few other mentions of him today:

    Omar Kelly@OmarKellynow
    Nice score by Rishard Matthews on a diving catch on a pass from Ryan Tannehill.



    James Walker@JamesWalkerESPNnow
    #Dolphin WR Rishard Matthews makes two nice catches in the end zone from QB Ryan Tannehill.


    Barry Jackson@flasportsbuzznow
    Rishard matthews looked good. Tannehill threw int to misi which would have been returned for td if play continued


     
  2. ckparrothead

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    Looking forward to his inevitably leapfrogging Brandon Gibson on the depth chart.
     
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    If so, wouldn't Gibson be a subpar option as a no.4?
     
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    I love hearing RT threw at least 2 TDs. He really struggled down in the redzone last year. Now that we have more weapons around him it is important that we start seeing more production from his arm down close to the endzone. The better we are at passing down there, the more it will open up the running game down there. Good to hear
     
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    yes
     
  6. uk_dolfan

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    People need to lay off on Gibson and give him a fair shot, the guy scored 5 tds last year, more than all our recievers combined, if he has another productive season like that this year nobody will be complaining.
     
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    agreed. Let's see what he can do for us
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    I think he's about right as a #4. I wouldn't call him ideal there. If you think about the Packers' receiver situation where they had Jennings, Nelson, Cobb and James Jones, whichever guy was the #4...that's pretty ideal. Gibson is not that. But I'd say Gibson is a #4. But that position is usually reserved for a young player that may still develop into a #1, #2 or #3...hence the aforementioned Cobb was at one point the #4 in Green Bay. Gibson is getting right at the point of being considered too long in the tooth to believe he's going to continue evolving...so teams could shy away from him being a #4.
     
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    At minimum. I think he's got a good shot at replacing Hartline at some point this year, too.
     
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    CK makes an interesting point re a potential leap of Matthews over Gibson and one that I agree with.

    Extending from this though... if Tyms and Binns or anyone else steps to the fore, I wouldn't be surprised to see Gibson be up for a trade bait discussion... considering you would then have, taking CK's suggestion; Wallace, Hartline, Matthews then the question would arise of why would you pay Gibson what you're paying him to be the 4th WR.

    This 3 through 6 spot WR discussion is going to be fascinating to watch. I just hope that Binns doesn't turn into a legawho situation?
     
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    So does that mean some more people are starting to see why I questioned the wisdom of handing Brandon Gibson $3 million of signing bonus?
     
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    Didnt understand it from the beginning either. The guy isn't a slot and we paid big $$$ to hartline and Wallace who will be our outside receivers. This past draft was wr rich and we neglected it. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see chad bumphis out perform Gibson in the slot from the get go. I see all the money we are giving hartline, Gibson, Patterson and Marshall and I can't keep wondering why that couldn't be worked to get Jennings. Wallace and Jennings on the outside supplemented with bailey, bess, Matthews and/or swope seems real nice to me
     
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    Not 'starting' to see... I was always curious about the signing in as far as development, but I always considering it a 'system upgrade' over Bess.

    I viewed it as a safe move to deepen the WR corps with some Vet presence, due to not knowing what would come from the draft and other undrafted FA's.

    What I do like, and taking your GB analogy... is that the 4th spot is for a youngster who has athletic ability to a level where they want to take a shot. Additionally, I would not be surprised at them giving strong consideration to carrying 6 WR's. A lot depends on this potentially interesting development at FB. I'd much prefer going the route of H/Back / TE combos than pure FB's.

    If you're right and Gibson starts sliding [and again, it's early days], then I think that speaks to not only Matthew's development but the others.
     
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    Only if they get into the games and actually perform well.
     
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    Always have to produce to stick around!
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    Well what I mean is let's say your former 7th round pick DOES beat the guy to whom you just gave $3.3 million a year. Yes it's a positive for your 7th round pick, but it's also a negative for the guy to whom you gave a $9.8 million contract ($3 million of which is guaranteed). The only way to tell if you did more positive than negative is if the guy that ends up playing is actually any good.
     
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    That was my thinking all along also. You don't sign a guy who projects to be your #4 WR when he has limited upside even if your WR group is stacked. Contracts expire and guys will want a big contract. It always helps to have a young ascending player to give you leverage.
     
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    Regardless of that situation, (a 7th guy beating out a modestly paid FA WR) I think it was prudent by Ireland not to pin any of his hopes on any of our young WRs stepping it up and contributing. This is a direct reaction to the score of bodies we had in camp and later brought in and none of them really amounted to anything.
     
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    This is still off season training with no pads yes? Just saying ;-)
     
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    we shall see who is up for the task.i don't care what the persons last name is just as long as he puts his best on the field n wins the #3 or #4 spot
     
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    That says more about our WRs last year than Gibson.
     
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    True. Yet I've heard that this is the greatest phins offseason evaaaaa. On numerous occasions
     
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    I think it is a little early to be talking about Gibson as a bust. Or in a lower spot at wr. I like Matthews a lot, but let us all take a breath and see what develops on the field. I also like what I am hearing about the younger wr talent. Different kind of talk than last year when everyone kept asking where the new receivers were, or getting on the 7-11 kick. I believe there is infintely better talent on the field at that position this year, and I would go as far as to say the same about the corners as well.
     
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    They toss out Bess, our 1st down specialist, in order to sign Gibson, another 1st down specialist.

    Bess was earning 2.5 million this year and was a FA. Gibson is getting 3 million a year for 3 years and has 3 million of his deal guaranteed. Now, I wasn't a fan of the Gibson signing when it happened, but now that we are sans Bess, I'm not against it.

    Question is... is Gibson equal to Bess in 1st downs? Does Gibson bring more to the table than Bess on the outside? Can Gibson match Bess's ability in the slot?

    I'm assuming Gibson is the replacement for Bess otherwise I just dont know
     
  25. Digital

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    Matthews is one of several reasons why I couldn't get behind the Brandon Gibson acquisition. I hope he proves me wrong, but I see more burst, power and determination in Matthews, not to mention speed. Of all the current dolphins WR's, Matthews strikes me as the one who most resbles a Green Bay receiver stylistically.
     
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    Well apparently, the one major piece holding 7-11 back was that he couldn't beat press coverage. He had then quickness and speed, but he couldn't get into his routes and was eliminated vs. Press coverage. Seeing as he profiled primarily as a slot guy, that's a huge deal. On Hard Knocks and at the open practices, this wasn't really shown. But, the coaches knew it. Since we don't really play press on defense, it wasn't highlighted in those public practices.

    In the preseason games, like Dallas, he was given a litmus test and did not pass it with flying colors. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see him pip up somewhere in the next couple of years if he can improve that. The kid has some ability to separate, and that's the most important trait a WR can have to make a roster.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    Gibson thus far is being used as the replacement for Bess, that's correct. But I think Rishard Matthews will eventually leapfrog him. And I don't think Gibson is going to show any special gift for Bess' role. I think he'll be worse than Bess possibly by a margin.
     
  28. KTDolphins

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    Really, I don't hear about Wallace tearing it up either. Give these guys time to learn the system, some are so quick to write people off.
     
  29. Valandui

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    That and the fact that our WR coach couldn't stand him for some reason.
     
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    The people who compare our receiving core to the Packers are crazy. If we switched receivers, the Packers would be much better off. Nelson, jones, and Cob have had Aaron Rogers for over one year. Let our guys develop before we destroy Gibson and compare us to the packers.
     
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    I want someone to leapfrog Hartline. I don't think we have a real receiving corps until that happens.
     
  32. uk_dolfan

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    Some forum members may not like Gibson but the staff and GM clearly do.
     
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    Gibson caught my eye last year with the Rams...so, I'm going to cast him aside by any means. What I am concerned with is they may be trying to fit him as a "square peg into a round hole" as a slot...
     
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    Umm... no.
     
  35. uk_dolfan

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    Im not a fan of putting him in the slot either.
     
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    Lots of folks wanted the team to draft someone to replace Davone Bess, without realizing that replacement was already on the roster.
     
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    No.
     
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    I think you have to hedge your bets on Matthews's development. I don't think you can go into the crucial year of your franchise QB's development banking on the idea that Rishard Matthews will buck the odds of the typical 7th-round pick and become a reliable and productive target. If he does, then you still have depth in Gibson for a relatively cheap cost. It's not like we signed him to Mike Wallace money.
     
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    Gibson thus far is being used as the replacement for Bess, that's correct. But I think Rishard Matthews will eventually leapfrog him (In another year he may leapfrog Hartline IMO). I think Gibson will be better than Bess possibly by a margin or 2 or 3. Bess was not good at all sorry.
     
  40. mbhcu98

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    So, you'd rather him not do well? If he scores 5 TDs in our slot position, he will be an excellent signing for us.

    ---------- Post added at 07:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:37 PM ----------

    It is the best. Still offseason though.
     
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    How could a player that has done nothing in the NFL be a reason you couldn't get behind Gibson? Makes no sense. Did you or do you know that Matthews will be a dominant player? Do you know something I don't? Gibson allows Matthews to come along at a slower pace. He may not need it but, who knew that when Gibson was signed? No one did. If Matthews is the WR some think he can be, we have one of those good problems to have. Too many good WRs. Right now, Gibson is our #3 WR, not #4 and he earned his money with his play last year.

    ---------- Post added at 07:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:44 PM ----------

    Why?
     
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    I'm saying that our WRs were abysmal last year and we only have one this year that is appreciably better than what we had last year with a couple of unknowns.
     
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    So, you can't comprehend that by adding a player or players, this will make the players we already have a little better. Like having Wallace will open things up and make Hartline a better WR and Keller a better TE. Having both Keller and Wallace and Hartline for that matter, will make Ryan Tannehill a better QB. Our WRs were abysmal last year but, that's why we've added to them. And we a much better WR group today than we were last year. Our entire WR core looks to be a good one now. And that's with Hartline and Gibson.
     
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    Gibson is learning a new position in a new system to him. Matthews has put in some time.

    that is what you are seeing right now. thats all. in time, it wont matter, we will have 5-6 WR's with two waiting for playing time, which they will get once injuries start happening.
     
  45. uk_dolfan

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    ive said before with Gibson we have brian hartline 2.0 if we want to go by GB's wr gameplan, all wrs have to be able to play all positions. I hope Matthews becomes a beast. but if Gibson can develop an inside game it makes him multifunctional. we're not gonna be 3 wr sets every play. we'll line Gibson up on the outside at times and have Wallace or hartline in the slot. every wr on roster is supposed to be able to run the "tree" if Matthews contributes than awesome! great diamond in the rough. Gibson is still young and has done more in the league than Matthews. has he hit his ceiling who knows, will Matthews reach his ceiling or can he hit it who knows. no team in the league has ever not signed a player and said ooops. and if we go into the season with a wr of gibsons "caliber" as our 4th WR cause a second year late round pick surplanted him I will have no issues with that. as long as he was supplanted by talent instead of lack of talent. let Gibson ride out the season then good bye. as much as it seems a lot of people hate him on here hes better than Armstrong, naanee or any other scrub in league.
     
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    Not really. Now it's Mike Wallace and some other guys.
     
  48. Digital

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    Because I was impressed with Matthews last year but he needed to develop. It usually takes WR's about 3 years to make the big breakthrough that their athletic talent suggests. Matthews impressed me in college, impressed me in the preseason last year and I was one of the earliest people stating how he looked better to me than Roberto Wallace, Marlon Moore, or any of the other guys vying for the last spot or two on the roster at WR. When he finally got into a few games, he definitely flashed potential. IMHO, Matthews may be able to back up Wallace at the X, and definitely can fill in at Y and Z. To me, Rishard Matthews just looks like he's going to become a better WR than Gibson in a year or so. It might even happen this year.
     
  49. CRAZYDOLFAN305

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    Some people ***** when we don't have depth, and turn around and ***** again when we do. Last year we were scrambling to try and find a receiver, Anthony Armstrong, Jabbar Gaffney. Now, it looks like we have may have depth at the position without having to scramble in the event of an injury, and they bitching now..!!

    What ever The Dolphins pay these players is irrelevant from a fan stand point because it's not your money. The league has a revenue sharing system and place and they money has to be spent and since it's a passing league, why not sign someone like Gibson. A young emerging player, that just had he's best season, and has yet to reach his peak. Especially when the coach has been screaming about competition, competition. They actually brought in competition for the godam pro-bowl long snapper for Christ Sake!!
     
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    Thank you. Pretty much my thoughts. From the preseason alone, he earned more of a shot than Naanee. I hope Matthews makes Gibson expendable sooner rather than later
     

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