Rishard Matthews

[ckparrothead]

Always have to produce to stick around!

Well what I mean is let's say your former 7th round pick DOES beat the guy to whom you just gave $3.3 million a year. Yes it's a positive for your 7th round pick, but it's also a negative for the guy to whom you gave a $9.8 million contract ($3 million of which is guaranteed). The only way to tell if you did more positive than negative is if the guy that ends up playing is actually any good.

 

[finomenal]

So does that mean some more people are starting to see why I questioned the wisdom of handing Brandon Gibson $3 million of signing bonus?

That was my thinking all along also. You don't sign a guy who projects to be your #4 WR when he has limited upside even if your WR group is stacked. Contracts expire and guys will want a big contract. It always helps to have a young ascending player to give you leverage.

 

[Wildbill3]

Well what I mean is let's say your former 7th round pick DOES beat the guy to whom you just gave $3.3 million a year. Yes it's a positive for your 7th round pick, but it's also a negative for the guy to whom you gave a $9.8 million contract ($3 million of which is guaranteed). The only way to tell if you did more positive than negative is if the guy that ends up playing is actually any good.

Regardless of that situation, (a 7th guy beating out a modestly paid FA WR) I think it was prudent by Ireland not to pin any of his hopes on any of our young WRs stepping it up and contributing. This is a direct reaction to the score of bodies we had in camp and later brought in and none of them really amounted to anything.

 

[FanMarino]

So does that mean some more people are starting to see why I questioned the wisdom of handing Brandon Gibson $3 million of signing bonus?

This is still off season training with no pads yes? Just saying ;-)

 

[allsilverdreams]

we shall see who is up for the task.i don't care what the persons last name is just as long as he puts his best on the field n wins the #3 or #4 spot

 

[Valandui]

People need to lay off on Gibson and give him a fair shot, the guy scored 5 tds last year, more than all our recievers combined, if he has another productive season like that this year nobody will be complaining.

That says more about our WRs last year than Gibson.

 

[HarryBagpipe]

This is still off season training with no pads yes? Just saying ;-)

True. Yet I've heard that this is the greatest phins offseason evaaaaa. On numerous occasions

 

[Lee2000]

I think it is a little early to be talking about Gibson as a bust. Or in a lower spot at wr. I like Matthews a lot, but let us all take a breath and see what develops on the field. I also like what I am hearing about the younger wr talent. Different kind of talk than last year when everyone kept asking where the new receivers were, or getting on the 7-11 kick. I believe there is infintely better talent on the field at that position this year, and I would go as far as to say the same about the corners as well.

 

[CANDolphan]

They toss out Bess, our 1st down specialist, in order to sign Gibson, another 1st down specialist.

Bess was earning 2.5 million this year and was a FA. Gibson is getting 3 million a year for 3 years and has 3 million of his deal guaranteed. Now, I wasn't a fan of the Gibson signing when it happened, but now that we are sans Bess, I'm not against it.

Question is... is Gibson equal to Bess in 1st downs? Does Gibson bring more to the table than Bess on the outside? Can Gibson match Bess's ability in the slot?

I'm assuming Gibson is the replacement for Bess otherwise I just dont know

 

[Digital]

Matthews is one of several reasons why I couldn't get behind the Brandon Gibson acquisition. I hope he proves me wrong, but I see more burst, power and determination in Matthews, not to mention speed. Of all the current dolphins WR's, Matthews strikes me as the one who most resbles a Green Bay receiver stylistically.

 

[Digital]

I think it is a little early to be talking about Gibson as a bust. Or in a lower spot at wr. I like Matthews a lot, but let us all take a breath and see what develops on the field. I also like what I am hearing about the younger wr talent. Different kind of talk than last year when everyone kept asking where the new receivers were, or getting on the 7-11 kick. I believe there is infintely better talent on the field at that position this year, and I would go as far as to say the same about the corners as well.

Well apparently, the one major piece holding 7-11 back was that he couldn't beat press coverage. He had then quickness and speed, but he couldn't get into his routes and was eliminated vs. Press coverage. Seeing as he profiled primarily as a slot guy, that's a huge deal. On Hard Knocks and at the open practices, this wasn't really shown. But, the coaches knew it. Since we don't really play press on defense, it wasn't highlighted in those public practices.

In the preseason games, like Dallas, he was given a litmus test and did not pass it with flying colors. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see him pip up somewhere in the next couple of years if he can improve that. The kid has some ability to separate, and that's the most important trait a WR can have to make a roster.

 

[ckparrothead]

They toss out Bess, our 1st down specialist, in order to sign Gibson, another 1st down specialist.

Bess was earning 2.5 million this year and was a FA. Gibson is getting 3 million a year for 3 years and has 3 million of his deal guaranteed. Now, I wasn't a fan of the Gibson signing when it happened, but now that we are sans Bess, I'm not against it.

Question is... is Gibson equal to Bess in 1st downs? Does Gibson bring more to the table than Bess on the outside? Can Gibson match Bess's ability in the slot?

I'm assuming Gibson is the replacement for Bess otherwise I just dont know

Gibson thus far is being used as the replacement for Bess, that's correct. But I think Rishard Matthews will eventually leapfrog him. And I don't think Gibson is going to show any special gift for Bess' role. I think he'll be worse than Bess possibly by a margin.

 

[KTDolphins]

People need to lay off on Gibson and give him a fair shot, the guy scored 5 tds last year, more than all our recievers combined, if he has another productive season like that this year nobody will be complaining.

Really, I don't hear about Wallace tearing it up either. Give these guys time to learn the system, some are so quick to write people off.

 

[Valandui]

Well apparently, the one major piece holding 7-11 back was that he couldn't beat press coverage. He had then quickness and speed, but he couldn't get into his routes and was eliminated vs. Press coverage. Seeing as he profiled primarily as a slot guy, that's a huge deal. On Hard Knocks and at the open practices, this wasn't really shown. But, the coaches knew it. Since we don't really play press on defense, it wasn't highlighted in those public practices.

In the preseason games, like Dallas, he was given a litmus test and did not pass it with flying colors. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see him pip up somewhere in the next couple of years if he can improve that. The kid has some ability to separate, and that's the most important trait a WR can have to make a roster.

That and the fact that our WR coach couldn't stand him for some reason.

 

[Wildcat322]

The people who compare our receiving core to the Packers are crazy. If we switched receivers, the Packers would be much better off. Nelson, jones, and Cob have had Aaron Rogers for over one year. Let our guys develop before we destroy Gibson and compare us to the packers.