Risk Vs. Reward

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  1. SR 7

    SR 7 A True Fan

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    So everyone likes to talk about why Ireland should be fired and why he should be kept.

    Lets make it simple..a list of Risk vs. Reward in keeping him for 1 year.

    Risk:

    1) In 5 years he hasn't drafted more than 1-2 Pro Bowl players.
    2) He hasn't found more than 3 players that deserve a contract outside of their rookie contract.
    3) he has gone 0-9 in this FA
    4) He has wasted money on players like Wilson, Incognito, Carey, Grove, Marshall (CB), Green, etc.
    5) He hasn't found any WR in 5 years.
    6) He uses UDFA to find a number 1 and 2 WR for his team.
    7) He hasn't improved the roster at all this year.
    8) RT17 was Phils and Shermans call not his.
    9) He was about ot pay Orton 9 mill a year until Ross said he isn't af ranchise QB i won't pay that much money for him.
    10) He trades back and players to accumulate picks and in turn drafts busts.
    11) Drafts the likes of White, Turner, Davis, Odrik, Misi, Nailborne, Gates, Egnew, Thomas, Jerry etc over players that have performed on TAPE.
    12) He can potentially waste 5 picks in the first 3 rounds if given another chance to continue what he has done repeatedly, which is draft busts.
    13) He can waste 40 mill in cap space.
    14) He can guarantee he gets fired next year if he continues evaluating the way he does becaue we will definitely have al osing record next year especially with the teams we are about to play.
    15) He continues to ruin the face of htis franchise
    16) Players continue to speak badly of him, organization takes hits continuously even with retired players speaking out.

    Reward:

    1) Guarantees he gets fired if he stays
    2) I can't think of 1 positve in keeping him as opposed to firing him because even if we get a new guy, can he honestly be worse than Ireland? Ireland has NOT hit on any FA or draft picks so whats the difference?
    3) Reward would be hiring someone knew and hoping he does better as opposed to Irelands 5 year track record of failing.
     
  2. zach8111

    zach8111 Pro Bowler

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    wow way to put all the bad things on him and not even give him any credit for tannehill or even cam wake. im not a huge fan of ireland but give him some credit for bringing in a few guys
     
  3. SR 7

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    Okay, sure. So who did he bring in exactly?
     
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    im not saying he should return because he should have gotten us more playmakers but if you are gonna put ALL the bad on him then do give him credit for the few he got right...
     
  5. SR 7

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    What did he get right then? You are more then welcome to name those.
     
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    zach8111 Pro Bowler

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    draft hits: Pouncy, Long (still a 3 time pro bowler even though a down year), Bess, Smith, Tannehill
    FA hits: Wake, Dansby, Starks, Bush (trade)

    Granted he did miss on a lot of picks and FA but did get some right
     
  7. JKS4

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    Miami is a good WR and a few missed FGs away from winning 10-11 games with a rookie QB this season. I think Ireland deserves a little more credit.
     
  8. 2413fanphins

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    Not to mention a good bit of negotiating with soliai, drafting jon martin.
    Reshad jones, olivier vernon, more than likely lamar miller.

    Everybody loves to blow a load down their leg over matt moore, who brought him in?
    Make as many lists ad youd like, ireland isnt going anywhere.
     
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    I like your thought process of risk vs. reward. While I do not think everything is on Ireland, I think the reward factor would potentially be better by parting ways with Ireland and promoting Briane Gaines. Ireland is a known commodity and look where we are at. I do agree the Tannehill selection was Philbin and Shermans (thank God).
     
  10. SR 7

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    Jones is the best player he has drafted since Long. But he was a late round pick on his own he came up. JI has busted on everyone else.
    Martin at this isn't anything near special neither is vernon, again, another "playmaker with no speed or acceleration." He simply has NO CLUE what a 40 yard dash is or the 10.

     
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    I will just have to respectfully disagree with you and bow out of this thead bro!

    Go dolphins!!
     
  12. BC26

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    You need to give a draft class three years to determine if they are busts or All-Pro players. Ireland has only had control over two drafts. Quit busting on Martin, Miller, egnew...etc for not being in the Hall of Fame, yet.
    Reshad Jones in the fifth round can't give all the credit to Jones - ireland drafted him. Also, Davone Bess was an UDFA...who found him?
     
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    Risk versus Reward is only useful when you are objective. The fact that you cannot come up with a list of rewards longer than three shows you are not objective. Unfortunately, that invalidates everything you wrote in the original post.
     
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    Well if he didnt have control then he doesnt get credit for Bess
     
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    Ireland is not going anywhere. He has done a great job stock piling for the upcoming draft and will have his finest day as a Dolphin during the 2013 draft. People need to be patient and let this play out. Rebuilding is a process. We took a project at qb who is looking a lot more like award then risk. Give him a few vertical weapons and a new olineman or 2 and this offense is set up for a bright future. The defense is even closer and even without a legit number 1 corner back is among the leagues elite units. Jeff Ireland is a good GM. Sorry to burst all the haters bubbles but its true and every single one of you will be changing your tunes next year when this team is atop the afc east.
     
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    Wow so much wrong with this thread I don't even know where to start.

    How about WRs, he got us Brandon Marshall, he found Bess, and DRAFTED Hartline, he was not an UDFA

    I could go on, but basically these kind of threads show just how misinformed some of these Ireland haters are.

    When people are unhappy they just need someone to blame, and join the biggest mob they can find.

    This post was very SHEEPish
     
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    No love for Misi and Odrick? I definitely would not call them busts. Odrick has played very well when in his position of DT, which is were he should be playing. And Misi has been a freaking terror this year. Ireland has a lot of misses but I just don't get slamming players who are actually performing well just because Ireland drafted them.
     
  18. roy_miami

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    Long might go down as the worst pick in the history of the NFL, Bess was undrafted, Smith is not a hit and Tannehill is to be determined. Ireland's one good pick in the early rounds is the highest center ever picked and he happens to have a clone thats already played a year in the league. Its impossible to play it any safer than that.


    Ireland is to GMs as Sparano is to Head Coaches.
     
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    Oh the irony.
     
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    he needs a few more decades
     
  21. FinHopeful

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    Obviously, you have forgotten about Jamarcus Russell and many other picks. Long was not the best pick, but he does not deserve to be mentioned in a conversation about the worst pick.
     
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    Thats the brilliance of Jeff Ireland's approach to being conservative. Everybody kills the guy that took the QB that turned out to be a bust but passing on what turns out to be a great QB is just as bad imo. Not only is Ireland not getting chastised by everybody like he should be but he's actually getting praised by some because Long did turn out to be a good player for a few years.

    Passing on Matt Ryan = Picking Jamarcus Russel
     

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