Rob chudzinski is who i think would be the best hc and why.....

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  1. thephinger

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    Rob Chudzinski will be the next big thing in Head Coaches. His track record is very impressive and he is a young and hungry OC who is primed and ready to take on a HC position... plus he is not currently on TV etc.... The fact that he was able to get Derrick Anderson to the Pro Bowl as the OC in Cleveland should tell you something about him. He worked as the TE's coach with the Chargers and we all know what he did with Rivers / Gates. Now he is the OC with the Panthers and has been surprising everyone with what he has done with Cam Newton. He is innovative, young and hungry... not to mention he is a CANE!!!!

    All these retired coaches like Gruden and Cowher etc are just names and there is no guarantee that the fire is still there. All we would be doing is buying them by outbidding their TV contracts. As a lifelong Dolphin fan I want someone who will be here for at least the next decade like the Shula days.
    Most of the guys mentioned... Cowher, Gruden, BIllick, mooch and Fisher have been great in the past but times have changed and we should try to bring someone in who fits with Today's NFL ( I like Fisher the best of the other bunch ).

    Big names as Parcells, Jimmy and Saban got us nowhere because those guys didnt want to put up with the BS of todays players and game. I really feel this is the perfect hire for The Dolphins and hope that whomever is giving Ross advice looks into what this team really needs = stud qb wtih a high powered offense. ( if he was our head coach I imagine he would have drafted Jimmy Graham!! He has 2 TE's from the U in Carolina )

    This is just my opinion so im not saying that all others are wrong...
     
  2. SRM

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    I'd like to have him.. having Gruden or Cowher just kinda .. eh, just not thrilled with going with a guy that has been out of coaching for some time.
     
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    Assuming you're correct that he's personally responsible for the good play of Derek Anderson, Philip Rivers, Antonio Gates, and Cam Newton, you do realize that as a head coach he will no longer be in a role in which he can have such effects on individual players?

    So what tells us he would be as good as a head coach as the coaches who are available and have demonstrated track records in that capacity?

    I think if you're going to make the argument for someone like this, your argument has to start there.

    Otherwise we stand a good chance of looking up in three years and wondering why we hired a guy with no track record when people like Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, and Jeff Fischer were potentially available.

    I think if you're going to cast aside the likes of Cowher, Gruden, and Fischer, you'd better have a pretty iron-clad way of predicting that guys like Chudzinski are going to be successful.

    What method do you have for doing that? I don't know of one.

    Now, if Cowher, Gruden, and Fischer weren't available, this wouldn't be as much of an issue, but assuming they are available, and you're going to cast them aside, I think you'd better be able to justfiy -- much more than you have here -- why you're hiring a guy with no track record of success as a head coach instead of one of them.

    If your job was riding on it -- i.e., if you were a front office person for an NFL team -- do you really think you would have convinced your owner (the guy paying your check) not to hire Cowher, Gruden, or Fischer with this line of reasoning?

    IMO your owner would look at you like you're nuts and wonder why he hired you. I think he would say "so we're going to take the chance that Chudzinski may not be cut out to be a head coach simply because we believe Cowher, Gruden, and Fischer -- all three of them -- may have lost their fire?"

    Would your answer to that question really be "yes"?
     
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    just sounds like the last few coaches we've had in here "hungry up and coming cam & tony"
     
  5. Mr. Day

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    I agree with you wholeheartedly. Let the tv guys stay on tv. We already did the Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells thing. Chudzinski is a good choice. He just has to put a dynamite staff together.
     
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    My initial reaction to seeing this thread was nuh uh. I love Chud and think he's a great OC, but maybe not the proper HC makeup. Great coordinators and great HCs can be completely different breeds. But the more I think of it, I really like the idea. I want a passionate Miami guy who understands the area and its pride. We're going to have a new rookie QB next year and Chud is as good as it gets at developing them and maximizing a QB's ability. I'm very down for him as HC. Though I think our broken franchise might be starved for the legitimacy that comes with one of the big name coaches. If we go the coordinator route I'd jump him ahead of Carmichael and he'd be my top choice.
     
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    He should get an interview and kept in the mix. However, I still stand by the fact that this organization needs someone with credibility of winning and establishing a culture of success from their coaching past. Hence Cowher, Gruden, Fisher or Billick.
     
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    I agree on Chud. He is a bright, innovative young mind who isn't afraid to do things a little differently, such as utilize the option with Cam's legs. I really feel that head coaches today need to have a strength in one area or another. The problem with Tony is that he is neither an offensive mind or defensive mind. He's just a motivator.

    I do want to dispell the notion that all Miami has looked at are big names. Jimmy and Nick were really the only big names. If you base this coaching hire off the Dolphins recent history, you wouldn't hire anyone. The established NFL head coach (Jimmy) failed. The former failed head coach (Dave) failed. The college head coach (Nick) failed. The up and coming offensive coordinator (Cam) failed. Now the up and coming offensive line coach/assistant head coach (Tony) failed.
     
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    Love Chud but the one thing I heard someone say on NFL Radio about him is that he may not be networked enough in the NFL to put together a solid enough staff. I think if you get a GM that has been in this league for a number of years (not Ireland) the GM could help Chud put together a solid staff.
     
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    I'd definitely be opened minded enough to give him an interview. The problem with where we sit at the moment though is that we are viewed as a poorly managed organization and it will deter both rookies and free agents from wanting to sign with us. If we bring in someone like Cowher it instantly revives our credibility and shows we are taking steps to establish a winning culture. Someone like Andrew Luck especially, I think, would be much more likely to sign with a team being put together by a Super Bowl winning coach, then our 4th "up and comer" in a row.
     
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    How many of the these successful coaches started as coordinators??......Don't they all come from there to get to the opportunity to be a HC? How many have just always been a coach.....

    Head coaches absolutely have an affect on individual players. The majority of it may be through their assistants, but they have affect on how their assistants work with them.
     
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    I'd take Chud. Panthers offense is playing pretty well right now...
     
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    I want someone here that's going to get players to come down here. Right now no one wants to play for this crappy team. I think a big name like Cowher might just do that.
     
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    Isn't this what this board sounded like a few years back when we were all pining for the new, up and coming guy out of Dallas? People are married to Chud b/c he went to UM. Well so did Randy Shannon, and how did that work out? I'm not saying that he shouldn't be considered, but if I had to choose between someone proven and him, I'd take the old horses.

    If anyone questions Cowher and if he still has the passion or fire, I'd suggest looking for tape from 2 weeks ago when the Tebow/Gators thing was going on. He said during the pre-game that it was about pride and how there was no way it would happen in his stadium. The guy still has it; he just keeps it bottled up on his nightstand.
     
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    There aren't any guarantees either way. As Dolphins fans we've seen veteran coaches who lose their fire and quit. We've also seen coordinators that get in over their head once they become head coaches. We can only hope that Ross is a better judge of people than Wayne Huizenga was
     
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    I'd prefer someone like Chud who can grow into a longterm solution here. Im afraid Cowher would be a short term hire to try and motivate the fanbase, a few years down the line we will be back at square 1.... The whole Parcells thing has left a bad stench of tuna over this team, im over the big name hype... Lets be different
     
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    Miami hasn't tried a Def Co-ord (Wanny doesn't count). Therefore, the choice s/b Pagano... He has been part of a staff that has roughed up Brady & shutdown the jest.. need I say more?
     
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    I could roll with Chud.
     
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    The thing I like is he got two good tight ends to make it easier on the rookie QB and went to a spread offense to take advantage of Cams strenghs. Build the O around your QB and don't try to fit a round peg in a square hole.
    Whom ever is our new QB we should follow this philosophy.
     
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    Only if he is willing to not hold the offense back and be a defense first, run the ball type of coach.
     
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    I still say if we don't get any of the top 3 HC go with Jay Gruden OC for the Bengals, he's done well with a rookie QB in Dalton, and he has previous HC experience for Orlando.
     

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