Rumor: Fins Hoping to Reunite Tanny and Swope

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    I'll take him here without a problem.
     
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    I'm all for it, if he's available with our first 3rd round pick I'd snatch him up QUICK
     
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    I like it but not til late, when is he projected to come off the board?
     
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    My favourite player in the draft... couldn't give a damn what rantsports have to say about him though,
     
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    Mike Wallace and Ryan Swope on the outside with Bess and Matthews in the slot and Miller in the backfield. Beautiful. It'd be great.if we could nab Swope with our top 3rd rounder, although he may even be worth a 2nd.
     
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    Late round pick
     
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    Maybe this is the "slot" receiver that Ireland referred to in that Senior Bowl interview where he said he may upgrade at? Hmm. Could Bess be on the trading block? Hmm...
     
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    My fear is that they pass on Stedman to bring Swope here. Or that they take em both and don't address the WR issue in Free Agency. That's what I meant when I said hoping it was only a rumor, I should have been more clear about that. Assuming they take em both and move a guy like Bess, I'd be more on board with it. I don't think it's wise to pass on Stedman should he be available. I also don't think it's wise to pass on a Free Agent to save money. Those are my fears.
     
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    Swope will be there well into day three.
     
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    They say he "can" run a 4.4 but is generally a 4.5 guy. I don't know. I'm more in the school of thought that if we sign Jennings, both our early round and mid to late round wr draft picks should be 4.4 or lower guys, but hey. Now if we instead sign Wallace, then I could be happy with one 4.4 or lower and a 4.4/4.5 guy like Swope replacing Bess in the mid to late rounds. Ryan yo Ryan TD! I can see that. :)
     
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    having watched this kid, he could be lightning in a bottle and would be a great addition. we lose either hartline or bess, i see him coming in and contributing.
     
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    Swope is as tough as nails, he was getting smashed against Alabama and got right back up as if he didn't feel a hit. He got hit helmet to helmet once too after making a big catch and just jumped right up on fire.
     
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    How would "rantsports" know this?

    I'm sure Jeff Ireland has given their reporters a full briefing of what his draft board looks like at the moment.

    They've just seen we are short at wideout, and Swope played with Tannehill in college and decided he is automatically a target for us. Nothing to see here.
     
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    I could see them drafting Swoop, but Rant sports doesn't really know anything on the inside. I see a lot of linked articles from them talking about trades and signings that are really just speculation.
     
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    **** ya...I would love this!! Make this guy a phin! He is an instant starter in this offense and had his best year with Tanny boy. I think we will have to take him with our 1st 3rd round pick to get him.
     
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    With the combine process he will end up being a top 15 pick in the 3rd
     
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    if he runs 4.5 which is a full 2 tenths faster than davon bess at 6 ft and 206 lbs with the production he had in college and the ability he showed to separate when crossing a mans face with a 2 way go you can forget about any "late round" talk...hell you can probably forget about it already...low 4.5's he's not getting out of day 2...

    my concern is i've been hearing miami was sniffing a slot at the senior bowl but it was denard robinson...the rawest slot wr available and an unknown as to whether or not he can run routes and understands db leverage and coverage...if we go that route when swopes there for the taking i'm gonna lose it...

    does sound like they want a more explosive slot than bess though...

    there is no projection when it comes to ryan swope in an option route system...he sees the field very well reads coverage knows when to sit down and when to carry routes and separates at the los and offers some big play potential as he has pretty good speed for a slot wr... sets dbs up well in his routes...runs good routes...dependable tough...football player
     
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    Swope (sadly) is already better than Bess (he's faster and more YAC ability) and Hartline (he has more YAC ability, strength, and a nose for TD's).

    Not sure if I would spend a second round pick on him though....tough call.
     
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    Swope will probably go in the late third round or possibly early fourth. You could sign him and a second round WR like Woods.
     
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    swopes a lot like matt barkley right now...he's injured or was at the senior bowl and didn't participate in drills so everyones got him off the radar...well once teams start digging into that tape and then private workouts etc both barkley and swope are gonna rise...he already height wise made money for himself when he measured at 6 ft even at the senior bowl week...that's a big darn slot for as a quick twitch and lateral agility as he has...a feather in his cap...if he runs low 4.5's or 4.5 flat better jump on that...cause someone else will...hell i could see the pats if they lose welker being on this kid in round 2...i know they like edelman but i don't think he's the same level smart football player and reader of coverage as swope...swopes like having another qb on the field with you...really smart football player and it shows up on the field...
     
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    We may not have sucked for Luck, but at least there's hope for Swope.
     
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    Good to know! I like the analysis of the guru!
     
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    There's nothing in that article that makes it a "rumor" except for the poor use of the word in the title. It's just sheer speculation on the author's part.
     
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    I'm scared they're going to overvalue this guy and pass on better players than him. It's the Jeff Ireland way.
     
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    Bummer. Not a big fan. I can see him as a replacement for Bess but I don't the Dolphins would look at it that way. They would want to keep both. As an outside guy he's definitely not a fit. He's not going to win out there versus NFL corners like Victor Cruz can, for example. He's a third down, 3WR kind of guy. Now, he is well rounded enough to keep out there full time in a hurry up scheme (which the Dolphins apparently want to run), but I'm not a big believer in that scheme, especially not with the rest of the talent we have on offense.

    A third rounder for Swope is a reach. He's more of a 5th round guy. We'll see how he measures and runs, but that's my impression.
     
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    i agree not a win guy on the boundary...so i don't think the he's better than hartline stuff earlier in this thread makes a lot of sense there...but lets say he does run low 4.5's or 4.5 flat i'll be shocked if a slot wr who measures out at 6 ft with that kind of production and damn good speed for the inside last til the 5th round...really dumbfounded...

    he's the prototype slot wr for this offense and plays very smart...which philbin is huge on...and you need in this system...only thing that keeps him out of say tavon austin level grade is austin has explosive rediculous acceleration and straight line speed plus serious shake and bake and home run hitting ability...that and the specials return he offers...and thats why he's getting a lot of late round 1 buzz these days

    as far as i'm concerned as a true slot swope should be the 2nd guys name taken off the board come april...
     
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    Huge reach. Why not let the combine happen before making such statements? A 2nd for 4th round talent....
     
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    Well I think he has Jordie Nelson type talent. I think his toughness was the reason A&M beat Alabama. He was a headcase for Alabama and they didn't expect him to ball out like he did, he tore them up on the seam.

    Would you draft Jordie Nelson with a 2nd round pick? I would. But I think Swope will be there in the third round, I hope.
     
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    Teal, I think Miami is going to be more aggressive as far as WR, then any year ever. Don't be surprised if Miami gets one of the big three in FA, then in the draft, ends up drafting 2 receivers within their 1st 5 picks (1st to 4th). Miami wants to be a top passing team in this offense, they needed young franchise QB ( I really believe they got one), they now need to fix their receivers, and don't be surprised, if within those 5 picks, it's 2 receivers, and a pass-catching TE.
     
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    Sign him up!
     
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    As someone who actually watched Jordy Nelson in HS and at KST. I have been a huge fan. Jordy has always had the size, smarts and speed to excel in football. But reading the opinions here of Swope, he is a pure slot. Not a boundary threat. Where as Jordy Nelson excels where ever you put him. Also Jordy is a big 6'3.

    I will be honest though, with TAM moving to the SEC this past year, I didn't watch much of them. But off of 2011, I was never impressed w/ TAM...Sherman and Tannehill included. Its why I don't care much for Sherman, and why I thought Tannehill should have been taken later (15-25).
     
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    Sucks u can't face reality.
     
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    What sucks is you Ireland haters, actually offer nothing but the same ole chit. Hint: we get it. We all get it. Just because you and many like you continue to beat the same drum, won't change a thing. You guys are like broken records. Same chit different day.
     
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    I think he reaches the 4th (Even though I believe he is worth more then a 4th), but who knows, then again if he has the type of combines I believe he is capable of, he may even be taken by someone in the 2nd.
     
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    What's the problem, Swope is a bigger, stronger version of Wes Welker and Davone Bess with longer speed. He is an upgrade over Marlon Moore and Armon Binns. Grabbing Swope with our latter 3rd round pick would be ideal, but we may have to snatch him up with our early 3rd pick.

    And don't worry, I'm sure we are going to either acquire one of the big FA Wrs (Jennings, Wallace, or Bowe) and/or draft a first-round talent WR; I'm hoping its Cordarelle Patterson, that guy is a PLAYMAKER and future stud in the NFL.

    We currently have 7 WRs on our roster. Brian Hartline (if we re-sign him), Davone Bess, Armon Binns, Jeff Fuller, Rishard Matthews, Marlon Moore, and Brian Tyms.

    This is what I would like to see on our roster look like after the FA/Draft for WRs:

    Greg Jennings, Cordarelle Patterson, Davone Bess, Ryan Swope, Rishard Matthews, Jeff Fuller, Armon Binns (1st yr WR needs a longer look), and Brian Tyms (deep speed practice Squad WR). This unit not only improves our speed significantly but also mixes in some pretty good possession WRs.

    If we do sign of the big FA WR, there is no need to re-sign Brian Hartline for $6 mil a year to be our #2 when Patterson would be more effective for less money. If we did re-sign Hartline, Patterson would take the job out right before October ends so it makes no sense to me. Don't get me wrong, I like Hartline, he plays hard but we need playmakers who score TDs, and once we sign a big FA WR, there is no need to speed more money on a #2 when we can grab a really good WR in the draft.
     
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    Stedman Bailey is the man. No doubt.
     
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    It should be noted there is absolutely nothing in that article whatsoever justifying the article title: "NFL Rumors: Miami Dolphins Will Look To Reunite Ryan Swope With Ryan Tannehill"

    It's click-engineering journalism at its absolute finest. Pure garbage.
     
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    Are 6ft guys who run in the 4.5s all that uncommon? Seems like there's a bucket full of those guys every year. BJ Cunningham and Rishard Matthews both fit that profile and were taken in the 6th and 7th rounds. And anyway is there a confirmation that Swope is a full 6ft. 206? He always struck me as sort of a boxy 5'10 guy, but I guess I could be wrong.

    Oh, is that all? :lol:

    That stuff makes a huge deal, at least to me. This offense already has "skilled" guys to move the ball between the 20s. We need guys who can put the ball in the end zone, and that's not what spending a third round pick on Swope is going to get me.

    Perhaps. But "true slot" guys have limited value, at least to me. They didn't have one in Green Bay when Philbin was there either until they took Cobb, and he's much closer to Tavon Austin than Ryan Swope. Green Bay used outside win guys on the inside, which is what you should be looking for. You don't want a defense to know exactly where everyone's going to line up when you bring in a particular personnel grouping, but a guy like Swope does that just like Bess does. His limitations force the offense to be more predictable, which allows the defense to dictate more than you should let them. We had the same problem with Bess and Brandon Marshall. Every team knew exactly where those guys were going to line up, because even if the Dolphins broke their habit and put Bess on the outside, he was basically being neutralized by the formation rather than the defense. It's like tying your arm behind your back.

    I'd much rather spend an earlier pick on Stedman Bailey and get a truly threatening slot guy who can also win on the outside. You get a guy like that now you're dictating to the defense. That's worth more than the extra resource you have to spend to get him, imo.
     
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    I'd love to reunite Hartline with the end zone
     
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    6ft 205 4.5 40 would be right in the range of what Green Bay targets
     
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    The size would be but if you really go back through their draft history, the speed is not.
     
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    Who had the break out year, and was a exception to the above rule?
     
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    I think swope is awesome! great fit ...knows the offense.
     
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    Spot on analysis. And in such a scenario maybe if Tyms or one of Binns or Matthews or Swope stand out, we can see Bess traded before the season starts.
     
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    a true slot that runs a 4.5 is absolutely fast...i don't know that wes welker runs a 4.5 flat...and he's much smaller than swope who was measured at the combine at 6 ft and 206 lbs...that's a big darn slot...i don't think he's necessarily what green bay looks for that would seem to be more the quinton patton type to me wr but i do think that a slot is a big part of shermans offense and a big part of what we want to do going forward and if this kid runs a 4.5 flat at that size and with that production already on his resume a team that goes to a lot of 3 wr sets with a true slot should covet him...and i also think swopes the kind of team first guy and lockerroom influence that philbin would covet...

    as for the "is that all" comment from walrus ha ha i knew that was coming...i get it austin offers the explosion plays and can get you in the endzone a variety of ways thus he's more coveted and in turn will come off the board first but for a bang for your buck draft pick if you employ a true slot wr in your offense i think swope will deliver and give you the return that validates the pick...and at 4.5 flat he would have the speed to do things down the seam in the slot against slot corners and with that height he'd also be a lot harder than most slots to overthrow

    austins stock is also higher cause he's a return specialist...we don't need one of them...thigpen did that job just fine...i'll take the true slot with the great size who fits the o like a glove and has better wheels than we currently have at the position and be damn happy bout it

    finally the jordy nelson ryan swope comparisons are WAY WAY off...they're not close to the same player...one wiins with his strength and his ability to go up and highpoint the football down the field and the other wins with his short area quickness and hips and his ability to cross a defenders face and separate...
     

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