Ryan or Marino or Flacco or Manning

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Who had the better rookie year??

Poll closed Aug 13, 2009.
  1. Peyton Manning

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  2. Dan Marino

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  3. Matt Ryan

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  4. Joe Flacco

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  1. aFalconTillIDie

    aFalconTillIDie Fan of the Dirtybird

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    Who do you think had a better rookie year. I am a falcons fan so obviously I will say Ryan but lets try to be unbiased. Flacco had a really good year, Ryan had better then him but didnt go as far, Manning had the best stat wise, but Marino (from what I heard) had the best year. But a lot of experts said Matty Ice had the best rookie season what do you think??
     
  2. dlockz

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    Marino had the best but he had alot more to work with than Ryan.
    Both Qb's had among the best 5 rookie seasons ever for a qb.
     
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    this is like going to a christian church and asking who they think the saviour is?
    Jesus or budah
     
  4. RonBrown

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    I didn't see anything really impressive from flacco, he just had a good defence and run game. I think his year was extremely overrated.
     
  5. aFalconTillIDie

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    I agree I put him there because there are a lot of people who said he had a better year this year then Ryan. I think it was mostly defense and good play calling.
     
  6. RonBrown

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    Yeah Cam took care of him a lot, really didn't force him to do anything too risky.
     
  7. JimToss

    JimToss Thank You Chad Pennington

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    Your not going to get an unbiased opinion on this board. Just like you won't get one on a falcons, ravens or colts board.

    Didn't Peyton set the NFL record for INTs in a season that year.
    I think we can argue he is off the list.
    Flacco was not sensational.

    The vote comes down to Marino and Ryan.
    Probably rank 1,2 in modern day NFL rookie seasons. You could argue either way and it would be hard to refute.

    By the way welcome to the boards. Nice to get some opposing fans views in here.

    If you get criticized for having a dissenting view, don't worry it happens no matter if you are a phins fan or not.
     
  8. Geforce

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    Dan Marino went 7-2 as a rookie. Threw for 2,210 yards with 20 tds and 6 ints with a QB rating of 96.0.

    Matt Ryan went 11-5 as a rookie. Threw for 3,440 yards with 16 tds and 11 ints with a QB rating of 87.7.

    Both had good stats but Marino has the edge in tds, ints and QB rating.
     
  9. foozool13

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    Marino 100%....Manning had a terrible first year...
     
  10. JT-forpresident

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    someone voted for flacco ?? wtf are you thinking lol
     
  11. jlfin

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    Marino didn't start the entire season. Woodley started the season and was benched in the game agains the Raiders.
    Marino wasn't just a solid rookie QB. He was DOMINANT.
    There isn't even an argument. The following yr, defensive coordinators were FORCED to alter their pass defenses. Marino was a once in a generation talent because he forced changes in the game.
    Manning and Ryan aren't even close.
     
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    who the hell is matt ryan
     
  13. X-Pacolypse

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    Dan Marino
     
  14. ADavieDolphin

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    WTF?
    Manning sucked in his first year, rocked his second.
    Flacco just moves the ball, he sucks completion %age wise. He's lucky to have such a solid line and running game. Put him anywhere else he sucks...
    Marino was amazing, especially in his first few years.

    Ryan was good too, but you cantr expect proper love at the biggest fin site in the world.
     
  15. atldolphinfan

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    Marino all the way
     
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    What's most impressive about the numbers Dan the Man put up, is that he did it in less than a full season. If you spread that out over the entire season, then Marino puts up 4,000 yards and almost 40 TDs. Absolutely amazing.
     
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    Marino.

    Both Ryan and Flacco were aided by very good running games. Baltimore and Atlanta led the league in rushing attemps in 08. Ryan had the better running game to aid him, but Flacco had the better defense to ease the pressure. Ryan was clearly the better of the two...he showed a flare for making plays that Flacco did not.

    Where is Ben Roethlisberger on this list? 1st game he lost was the AFC Championship game. He completed 66% of his passes, and had a 98 QB rating. I'd say best rookie QB is between him and Dan.....toss-up IMO, couldn't argue against either.
     
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    agree
     
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    cam cameron is still a member of this site isnt he :foundout:
     
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    Ryan's first pass was a TD so... Well, it means nothing in the long run, but I love telling that Flacco supporters.
     
  21. ryanENGLISH0

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    Joe Flacco Is Most Overrated Player In Nfl! Barnone
     
  22. mikethewreck

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    Dan Marino. Not. Even. Close.

    Ben R had a great D and running game to complement him. Dan's 96 rating is SICK for a rookie (close to veteran Chad P's!). Peyton was bad his first year. Flacco and Ryan had good run games too. Ryan had a very good rookie year (gotta give him props), but I think Dan wins this argument, hands down.

    Hope our defense gives Ryan POPS in the 1st game....
     
  23. j-off-her-doll

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    Marino
    Big Ben
    Ryan

    In that order. Almost without question.
     
  24. Dr. Phin

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    20 TDs and 6 INTs in 11 games as a rookie!!! Not even close....Marino all the way!!!
     
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    This doesnt even seem like its fair to me. Marino only played 9 games and had 20 touchdowns, Ryan played 16 and only had 16.

    So Marino was on pace to have what 35 TD's roughly? No question Marino wins handsdown.
     
  26. Ricky4Life

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    Marino all the way. Could you imagine what he could of done if he had the running game that Ryan and Flacco had??? Or the WR Manning had?? Not to mention he still had James. No contest Dan the Man forever, will be hard to ever see someone match what he did in this lifetime. Even though he never won the "big one".
     
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    I agree with the others on here. Dan hands down, Ryan had a good year but Dan was just better.If Dan had the running game that Ryan had it would have been an absolute blowout. Big Ben gets props as my number 2 on the list.
     
  28. SuperMarksBros.

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    Marino is the only correct answer. Over 16 games, hs numbers project like this:

    3929 YDS
    35.5 TD
    10 INT

    Career year numbers for 99.9% of qbs in league history.

    LOL, did you really include Flacco in this poll?
     
  29. DuderinoN703

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    Who would ever think Flacco would get more votes then Manning at anything other than a unibrow contest?
     
  30. SabanHater

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    no, he voted other. (Beck)
     
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    Where the hell u been man? :d-day:
     
  32. aFalconTillIDie

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    Thank you, yeah Im on the Falcons board a lot so I know how it works. Even if I was a Phins fan and I said I think Pennington is amazing I would have some people down my throat... Just how it is, I just enjoy good football talk.
     
  33. aFalconTillIDie

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    The only reason I put Flacco was because so many people argue he was better then Ryan last year. So I felt it would be wrong to leave him off. I cant believe I for Big Ben, even though I dont like him at all. I cant believe Flacco has 3 votes though. And Mannings rookie year he threw for 3700 yards, and 28 TDs. He also had the worst line the year before that I believe they led the league in sacks allowed. He threw the all 575 times which just sounds crazy for a rookie lol.
     
  34. TedSlimmJr

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    Peyton's rookie year is underappreciated.....all anyone ever talks about is how many INT's he threw......but they leave off the fact that he also set the record for TD passes by a rookie....he was just thrown in there and told to wing it all over the place...and that's exactly what he did...

    That was a terrible team that Manning played on....but he still showed why he was a special player despite how bad they were....

    Marino was drafted by a team that was already mostly built...a superbowl team in fact....but his play as a rookie in the second half of the season has never been matched from a rookie prospective....I believe he also shredded a Pittsburg Steeler defense that still had players from the "Steel Curtain" around....

    Matt Ryan was drafted by an organization that was a complete disaster.....and all he did was start from day 1 and lead them to the playoffs...

    Roethlisberger and Flacco were kept hidden for the most part during their rookie seasons.....

    It's a tough question really....there are several angles to look at it from...

    Shouldn't starting from day 1 count for something? Shouldn't your team being a disaster prior to your arrival count for something? Shouldn't the fact that you basically put up pro bowl numbers in half a season count for something?

    It's one of the more interesting football debates around IMO....
     
  35. zach8111

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    ryan also had a very easy schedule and a great Running game
     
  36. Digital

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    Well this poll is turning out about how you would expect on this site, no surprise. But let's be realistic. Anyone who watched enough games of all of these QB's rookie seasons would have to acknowledge that Marino's was the best of these ... and the best of any QB ever thus far. I don't blame anyone for voting for their home team and favorite players ... but let's be realistic, Marino's rookie season is unequaled in NFL history, and that's not even considering the changes in rules helping the current QB's.

    Ryan certainly made a believer out of me. But it's simply not fair to compare any rookie QB to Marino as a rookie. That's like comparing every LB to Lawrence Taylor, every WR to Jerry Rice, every TE to Kellen Winslow, and every FB to Larry Csonka ... those guys are just apart from everyone else in the Hall of Fame in what they did on the field. While I'd say there are other QB's in Marino's class, there really are no other rookie QB's in Marino's class as a rookie. Them's just the facts.
     
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    I would take Flacco ahead of any QB we currently have on our roster (and I mean NO disrespect to Pennington).

    On the poll: Marino came into the best situation (a coach that respected marino's talents enough to change his coaching philosophy, a team that was SB runner-up teh year before, etc). Manning looked good after week 4 (remember Charlie Batch had the best start between he, Manning, and Leaf). He also set the record for INT in a rookie season. Ryan went to a bad team BUT had Michael Turner to ake some heat off him. Facco had a great defense and never had to do too much. I'll take Marino.
     
  38. Quadfather

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    what? ryan had the best running game in the nfl and had a very underatted recieving core. roddy white is a top 10 reciever imo.

     
  39. #1dolphinsfan

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    No question Dan Marino that was a great year for him he is so much better then any of those QBs up there
     
  40. TedSlimmJr

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    Obviously, you can't have the best rookie "season" if you only started in the 2nd half the season....

    There's no question that Roethlisberger had the best rookie "season" in history....going 13-0 in the regular season and making the playoffs...

    If the question was "Who is the best rookie quarterback in history"?

    It's Dan Marino....
     

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