Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Adam First, May 9, 2017.
Redzone . . .
The 10 is in the red zone. Closer we got more Tannehill sucked while Moore was 7 for 7 4 TDs
I don't understand the argument. Tannehill was the best red zone QB in the NFL. Unless you have an agenda what's the problem? You can't refute that
Intrigued to see where this new red zone debate goes to....
Love it. Bowl bound..
I don't really get it, what is the debate here? Factually, it is correct to say that Ryan Tannehill had the highest passer rating of any NFL quarterback in 2016 on plays that started inside the opposing team's 20 yard line.
I wonder what Moore's was? Maybe its just the O we run.
Ryan Tannehill looked great last year before he got injured. I, along with many Dolfans, wanted to see him "will" us to the playoffs last year when it mattered most. Matt Moore did that in RT's absence. I have no doubt Tannehill would have done the same thing. We have a good QB. Let's protect him and go win a Super Bowl or 2 while he's young.
So I take it you want Moore to be the starter.
No he's just much better in the red zone. Tannehills red zone cautiousness has always been his biggest weakness needs to improve
LOL, some people man.
The redzone is inside the 20, if you can't even get that right then there's no point in continuing the conversation.
Whatever. I'm sure if/when he does improve this there'll be plenty of you looking for something else to be 'concerned' about.
Exactly. I love how these myths of Tannehill's weakness are constantly debunked with his deep ball concerns being the most prevalent among the less informed, but there's still someone out there with a sticking point of, "Oh yeah, well within this 10 yards of space, Matt Moore . . ." GTFOH.
Remember when the detractors said that all the sacks were Tannehill's poor pocket awareness? Yeah, that has been proven wrong too.
Haters gonna hate.
When people claimed tannehill had the worst deep ball of all time I said it was BS as he was pretty good at it
Now he is suddenly elite at it? No. Pretty good
I don't think anybody claimed it was elite but I certainly would put him in the top 10 as far as deep passers go
At least it's not that he has zero pocket awareness anymore
Even us homers have to admit, that is one area that needed improvement ... and sure has improved a hell of a lot
Although his pocket presence has improved, having a consistent pocket to step up in without rushers from multiple angles has certainly helped. Lets hope Gase won't wait as long to jettison his linemen if they provide bottom of the barrel play ala Thomas, Douglas and Turner next season.
He's 23rd in passing TDs in the red zone. Who cares if he completes 75% of his check downs between the 20 and 10 he does not score TDs. Never has he's too protective of the football. I'm sure it was coaching from Philbin. Gase needs to encourage him to sling it more. You can say he was best in QBR but that is ridiculous. Rogers had 31 TDs and O ints in the red zone to Ryan's measly 11. Colin kaepernick had 13tds and O ints. Ryan is the best red zone qb if you like settling for fgs
Well how much of that is due to a better OL? Sure he had issues taking sacks but when you can't rely on any of your OK it happens
Just because Tannehill didn't throw a TD doesn't mean we didn't get a TD. We had a bunch of rushing TDs and I would bet good money we had a lot more red zone rushing TDs then green bay. So basically you want to punish Tannehill for us running it in instead. It's a team game
Lol! On how many attempts? Dont anwser that, I already checked... You should just quit this argument right now...
A WR was GB starting RB for half a year, don't think they ran the ball in the redzone much if any.
Got use attempts as well.
Please share lol
Lol last year was his lowest red zone TDs for his career but you guys love his QBR
He also had 200 less overall attempts for the year, hell he threw the ball a 100 times less than his rookie year, he missed 3 games. Andrew Luck for example has twice as much passing attempts in the RZ while Rodgers almost 3x. So your solution to compare them is a volume stat? Laughable, especially when the number of attempts is dicated mostly by team philosophy. I know Im wasting my time here because you're messing up something so trivial I doubt you'd understand anything if we go further... Like I said, you should just stop...
So...just to clarify...you're coming in to a thread that is praising Tannehill's improvement as a deep passer, and your counter is "Well he's not throwing enough touchdowns in the red zone?"
That's like saying, "Wow, my car is so much better at high speeds now, but it still sucks because I don't have to drive it at 55 mph any more."
I swear if Tannehill had 5000 passing yards 30tds and completed 70% of his throws people would ***** because Miami didn't run the ball enough and it'd be Tannehill's fault.
Passer rating... QBR is a bogus stat made up by ESPN in fairy tale land
It is useless getting into these discussions. People will like/dislike someone no matter what stat or evaluation will come out. You can lead a horse to water....Tannehill could come up with a cure for cancer and people will question why it took him so long. I just love watching this team and pulling for them to win each week. Some people will just do the same thing but add the disclaimer * despite so and so...Nothing any of us could say or Tannehill can do on the field will ever be enough for some. So to me its just noise
No I'm saying great that deep ball improved now score some fckimg points! To do that needs to convert red zone opps to TDs I want an explosive offense 21 per game not enough sorry that is too much to ask
#QBWinzAndScoresTDsAllByHimself apparently to some
Well we all knew he always had a cannon, it was a issue of accuracy. I credit the threat of Ajayi and the running game for this plus Gase game management changing things up.
Tannehill has always been an accurate QB. His completion percentage (62.7%) is in the top 20 (17th). . . for all time. His jersey hangs in the NFL HOF for setting the record for most consecutive completions with 25 straight. Accuracy has never been an issue.
One can never win when the gaol post are allwise moving.
My bad as I should have stated in my post a bit differently and explained it this way is that Ryann T needed more time to be accurate on the long ball
Gase and Ajayi certainly did contribute to his sucess in this area last year as rarely did he have much success with the deep pass until last year. How many sacks has RT taken in the past attempting the long pass? Yes he may have a hall of fame plaque for completions he also has or will have the same plaque for sacks getting those completions without a Gase or Ajayi.
I guess you can credit Gase with getting the OL to block differently and it paid off, but having zero time back there for long passes isn't a fault of the qb when the leaky line lets a player (or 2. or 3) through within seconds. I really hope we see better run blocking this year so ajayi doesn't have to do everything himself. which will in turn help the passing game hopefully
Hey I agree and the threat of a great running game gave him that time. Yes I agree with the blocking, its just amazing to me the issue its been for us for such a long time. As a long time phin fan its my understanding that it takes about 2 seasons for a new offensive lineman to fully adjust. I am hoping thats the case this year. I am afraid that we will miss Albert and Pouncey is probably not a factor.
No it never was. He holds a record for accuracy for God's sake. Why o why do people just make **** up?!