Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by DKphin, Feb 12, 2018.
If RT would get us a 1st coming off an injury what is his value after a healthy year? 2 1sts?
Wentz clinched a playoff spot before he got hurt, Tannehill didn't. We don't know if Tannehill would've won those games late in the year against the Jets and Bills to secure a playoff spot, especially Buffalo considering he's 0-4 in his career at Orchard Park
the only team in love w thill17 is dolphins.
who in their right mind would give dolphins first rd pick for thill17
You sure? Tannehill obviously wouldn't start in Philly so why would they do that deal? To maybe upgrade their backup QB situation? They might not look at it as an upgrade, considering what Foles did for the team after Wentz went down. Even if they did feel that Tannehill was better, you think they'd rather pay Tannehill that $20 mil next year rather than Foles and his $7.5 mil?
I'm not even going to answer this silly question. The premise supposes no QB that has ever suffered an injury and recovered has trade value.
How many knee injuries did Sam Bradford suffer? How much did he fetch in his trades? Minnesota gave up a 1st and a 4th for him for one year under contract. Rams also traded him for Nick Foles and a bunch of picks.
"QB rich draft"
lololol that's funny
Just like "what team would give a 1st for Bradford"
Ok. Sound logic.
Please stop with this Foles BS. Foles won't do nothing without a great OL. So in other words. He is useless in Miami.
I suspect that after we win a Superbowl with Tanny under center, there will be some forum fans screaming "We should trade him now while he has his highest trade value". Basically they don't care who or what we get or already have as long as Tannehill is gone. I don't give those posters don't get much credit for pragmatism; crapmatisim maybe, but not pragmatism.
Oh so you've talked to other teams then?
he's a QB guru don't you know. wait till he tells you how much better jay cutler was then thill17
The fact that Wentz made the playoffs and Tannehill didn't is just about timing really. Yes we don't know if Tannehill would have made the playoffs but we don't know that he wouldn't have either. My response was to the fact that Tannehill needed elite talent surrounding him to be good which was unfair given the fact that before getting hurt he was playing well. If a career backup could win two games to make the playoffs, why couldn't Tannehill even with all his faults. Tannehill did most of the hard work to get this team into the playoffs and that can't be taken away from him, being 0-4 in his career at Orchard Park still doesn't negate his accomplishments for that season.
Tannehill has a losing career W-L record (37-40), has never started a playoff game, has never been selected to a probowl, has been sacked over 200 times, is coming off 2 ACL injuries and hasn't played a snap in 20+ months and is coming up on the wrong side of 30. On Philly Tannehill is a backup to Wentz and not for $20M/yr. I would not trade Tannehill I don't think Miami can get much value for him given the stats above.
Four. He was very good in 2016. I think you missed it. Buy Game Pass and watch the games.
I firmly believe we could not get a first rounder for him from any team so we are stuck with him.
I highly doubt we could even get a Kevin Kolb type trade for Tannehill.
I agree with the first part of this but the second part is just stupid,trolling or whatever you want to call it.
How is it stupid and/or trolling? Kolb was traded for a 2nd rounder and very good CB in Rodgers-Cromartie. It's very unlikely that a team would offer that right now for Tannehill because he's been injured, deep QB draft class, and solid free agent QB market.
For one he never amounted to anything, and secondly, just because Arizona made a stupid trade doesn't he was worth it.
Nobody missed it. He had a 5 of 6 game stretch, where he beat up on mediocre to bad defenses. And this is what qualifies as groomed? Took him 4 years to get to that stretch, and hasn't played a game since. Awesome.
Those are irrelevant to the point
Or an 8 game stretch with a 7-1 record to go along with a 6-1 record over the 2014 and 2015 seasons when the starting OL was intact. In those 15 games, his QB rating is well above 100. I'm sorry you cannot see the correlation between decent OL play on the Dolphins and exceptional QB play by Tannehill. Open your eyes. It's plain as day to see.
I think everyone sees that, seriously. You could say that about any NFL QB. If the OL dominates how can the QB fail? I want a QB that can make a play on his own and knows when that play is at hand. Maybe a more mentally aggressive quarterback.
Yet Nick Foles is hailed as the next best thing since sliced bread in another thread. The guy who had the best line in football. Tannehill can only be good if he is successful with crap in front him?
We have him signed for relatively cheap compared to QBs from his class. Trading him coming off an injury when his value is as low as possible would make almost zero sense for us or for other teams imo
If we trade our QB then we will need a QB which will cost more than what we got in a trade for our QB and will be lucky to equal the production of our past QB.
I mean I'm all for running down to the "Dirt Cheap,System Knowing, No NFL Experienced Needed, Franchise QB Store" except for nobody knows the directions because it doesn't exist.
This human being doesn't exist. Don't believe the hype. You're probably talking about the two best safeties ever. Be happy if James can come close to measuring up to either one and you'll have a great player. The "put together" talk is foolish. EDIT: Ah, nevermind...just read some of the other comments.
As far as Ryan goes, I disagree with the premise of the article. Why would you dangle your QB (even if you could) in a year where there's going to be so many QB options in free agency and the draft? It would make more sense if the QB well was kind of dry, right? Teams could then prioritize Ryan higher than they would this year. Throw in the bad knee and this really doesn't make sense. Unfortunately, I have little faith in the front office to do what the "right thing" is for the team. I don't even know who picks our players? Is it Gase, Grier or Tannenbaum?
I don't think i'd be against it if we got good value.
I am a FAN of Tannehill. I root for him to succeed. I truly believe he can lead a decent team to the promised land based on his skillset. But i'm already thinking "This is the year we get to see Tannehill for real, it has to be this year...." ....and i've been thinking that for quite a few years. So if that cycle gets forcibly broken, i won't really be upset.
Didn't some idiot GM take Culpeper with injury problems.That same GM could trade for RT.Or are we the only stupid azzes that would pass on a hall of fame qb and take an injured qb willing also costing us a 2nd round pick
This article has Tannehill at 24th coming into the season, probably not a high trade value being at that spot.
LOL at Bortles, Dalton, Keenum, Taylor, Winston, Mariota, Goff, Watson, Smith, Garappolo, Prescott, Newton, and Carr all being ahead of Tannehill.
A case can be made for Tannehill being better than any one of those QBs. Three of them (Smith, Taylor, and Bortles) may not even be on the same team next season. Cousins isn't even listed.
It is all just a matter of opinion. Even if someone thinks they are better, none of them are significantly better than Tannehill. That is the problem with some rankings. They pick an order with no ties and no indication of distance between players. In this case, the difference between 24 and 11 is nil.
Everything you said is fair. Are those QBs significantly better than Tannehill...No. But many of those QBs have played in the playoffs and many have won a playoff game. I would say that Newton, Watson and maybe Prescott are a lot better tho.
Newton is a 3 time pro bowler, 1 time all pro, 1 time MVP 1, OPOY, has 3 seasons in which he has 30+ total TD's and 1 season where he had 40+ total TD's. I can't see any case being made for Tannehill over Newton
2016 and 2017. QB ratings of 75 and 80.
That's a BIG stretch comparing Tannehill and Newton. Cam Newton at times has been unstoppable in some big moments.
I don't really just go by QB rating. Alex Smith has a pretty 94.9 QB rating since 2011 but we all know why. If a QB can give me solid production outside of QB rating, i think I can live with that. Newton's rookie year he had 35 total TD's and 4700 total yards with a QB rating of 84.5, I take that every time, cut down the turnovers and we're in business.
And at other times a complete disaster. I mean, complete disaster. Obviously he has played well at times, but sorry not my kind of player.
That is your right, personally I would take the "great" player at times vs. mediocre all the time.
I don't factor the rushing yards and TDs as much as others may. My reasoning is that those are simply carries taken from the RBs. In addition, it is not sustainable over the long haul. Newton is below average in reading defenses, and accuracy and IMO, those are cardinal sins for a QB. Give me a better passer and leave the running to the RBs.