Discussion in 'Beasts of the AFC East' started by BahamaFinFan78, Nov 18, 2011.
Jets fans (others may feel free to answer too), who would you rather have to finish out this season?
sorry, should say Sanchez
Sanchez sucks, I wish we had Tebow, Moore, Fitz or any other # of the great biog game QBs this league has to offer.
It was tebow running the ball down your defense throat on the last drive. It was Sanchez getting picked off for 6. I can understand why you feel that way.
Don't forget Revis, who talked **** all week about Tebow, didn't want to tackle him in crunch time. :lol:
Reading this, I can detect your sarcasm. But you are finally beginning to realize the truth. Nacho is no better than any of those QB's.
we lost to a abd QB last Dec too when Chad henne beat us, it happens. We'll survive.
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he's MUCH better than those QBs.
Is he really?
In completion percentage: Moore and Fitzpatrick are better
In QBR: Moore and Fitzpatrick are better
Your Sanchez man crush is scary. Hope you don't get in trouble with good ol' Rex.
Oh yeah that BAD QB (Henne) you mentioned. Henne and Sanchez are even in completion percentage and Henne trailed Sanchez by a mere 0.9 in the QBR department. :chuckle:
If Henne is bad, so is Sanchez. But we all knew that already.
comp % and QBR:lol2::lol2::lol2::lol2:
So how do you determine how well a QB is doing, since you are so condescending to anyone who brings up the widely used methods? I'm curious as to how you've justified to yourself that Sanchez is a good QB. You can't really say wins, because then you'd also be saying that Tebow is a good QB, which is just crazy...
Silly Locke! It's the back to back AFCC games, duh! :lol: Although, Neil O' Donnell went to back to back AFCC games, and Kordell Stewart went to 2 AFCC games. They weren't back to back, but still. onder:
Watch games, watch when teams need their QB to make plays most and if that QB comes through. This year mark has not come through, he has taKen a step back(as have many young QBs) but last year he came through more often than not and he has played his best in January which many QBs do not do. I don't look at #s only, some guys put up great #s early in games or in garbage time and can't play under the brigfht lights- that's not the case w/ Mark.
The AFC was a complete joke back then and was O'Donnell a 1st and 2nd yr QB?
By the way, you guys love #s so much yet never post any when they favor mark such as in January(you can't understand everything by looking at the #s but I saw all 3 of these QBs play in every playoff game and Mark was vastly superior to the other 2).
Sanchez(6 games as starter): 95-157, 1155 yds, 61%, 9 TDs, 3 INTs, 4-2 record including 4 road wins
O'Donnell(7 games as starter): 158-273, 1690 yds, 58%, 9 TDs, 8 INTs, 3-4 record including 2 home losses
Stewart(4 games as starter): 68-131, 52%, 2 TDs, 8 INTs, 2-2 record inclduing 2 home losses
I have also seen all 3 of these QBs play and Mark might be superior to Stewart (who made more plays with his legs than his arm). I agree that numbers do not always tell the story, but I've watched Mark play. I see a QB that is carried in the playoffs by the D and running game. Maybe he can get better, but call him what he is right now. Not a franchise guy!
Sanchez 2 year playoff #'s are better than Kordell Stewart's, and Neil O' Donnell's playoffs careers. Impressive. :lol: I've posted Mark's playoff numbers before, and they show exactly what I saw. A QB that must have an excellent running game and D. The Jets only have 25 fewer rushing yards in the playoffs wins than they do passing yards.
Give Sanchez a few more years, and we will see what the playoff numbers look like, if they make it. :up: If the Jets can't get back to having a top 5 running game, and D, I'm willing to bet they are closer to Stewart's and O' Donnell's .
By your logic, Tim Tebow has come through for the Broncos and made plays when it counts, making him a good QB. No one outside of the most delusional would agree with that assessment. Ignoring numbers completely is disingenuous at best. YPA is an excellent barometer of how a QB is playing, for example. You can't ignore Tebow's pathetic YPA because he made a few plays with his feet at the end of a game to win a squeaker. You're taking your stance to an extreme. If you were being reasonable, you would say you should take stats with a grain of salt. Such as, higher completion % due to lots of screens and check downs, or a skewed INT stat due to tipped balls, etc. You can't just say stats don't matter at all, because they do. They tell a partial story. You look at the tape to see where the stats are lying, you don't discount them completely...
Locke...it is no use...he is more stubborn than I am..
Not sure "Stubborn" is the adjective I would've used...... :up:
Not even close. Football is about winning games and right now, Tebow is winning games and Sanchez is losing games. Nothing else to be said.
So Trent dilfer must be a first ballot hall of famer to you junc. He won a super bowl!
How good do you think our D is? this isn't the '85 Bears, '00 Ravens or '02 Bucs. In his rookie year the D and running game definitely carried him to the playoffs, last year he was a main reason we won 11 games as both the D and running game were much worse than '09.
It's not about rush yds or pass yds, it's about making plays and limiting mistakes and Mark has done that. You guys get too wowed by meaningless fantasy #s(except when they are good for mark then you ignore them)
Tebow has done it very briefly, if he continues this and they keep winning and make the playoffs I will say no matter what his #s look like tebow had a good year.
Stats do tell part of the story but it's not black and white from a boxscore. We can see 2 QBs in a game, one throws for 300yds and the other 150- does that automatically mean the 300 yd QB was better? No, it's about who made plays and who limited mistakes. Look at the #s in the title game last year, it would appear Mark was much better than Ben but Ben made huge plays to win the game despite having a rating in the 30s.
No he's not a HOfer but he's a very underrated QB, notice how many SBs the great Ravens D has won w/o him? You still need quality QB play to win.
The defense that year was an all time great defense. They have never been as good on d since then. I'd still rather have flaco than dilfer.
Their D's were consitently great the past decade w/ the excpetion of a year here or there, if it is so easy to carry a bad QB why couldn't they win w/o Dilfer?
Flacco has been awful in January, he has held his team back unlike Sanchez. Put mark on Bal the last 2 years and Bal makes at least one SB.
This is a personal question: do you like the taste of mark's jizz?
Rather than look like a nitwit just walk away when you have no clue what you are talking about rather than dragging the board down w/ asinine posts like this.
You'd be the only one who would think that about Tebow then. Outside of the Evangelical Christians who think Tebow can do no wrong, absolutely no one in the sports world thinks Tebow is having a good year, at least not passing the ball. He is setting records in passing futility, and you think there is a chance to categorize this as a good year? Seriously?
I'm surprised, this is the first time you've admitted that stats do tell part of the story. They tell more of the story than you care to admit, but at least it's a start...
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I didn't expect to see that this morning...
if he keeps winning games and making plays to win games we'd all have to give him credit, I don't expect that to happen but if it did he'd earn praise from me. I don't care how ugly it looks as long as you win.
I have always said stats tell part of the story but I hate when people just post black and white #s w/o context.
Stats do lie and wins/losses are just another stat.
you will do anything to prop up sachez or your team. thats why people dont take your post seriously. if the stats make the jest look good you post the stats. if the stats arent in your favor you say that they dont matter.
The people that know football on this board take my posts seriously, those that don't probably trhink you know what you are talking about.
I don't care about individual stats or rankings, I care about wins and losses.
But, but Sancheezy has won playoff games...
on the coattails of his defense and a running game. Funny now how when those both falter Dirty looks less than lackluster and even downright lost and horrible.
Tim Tebow single handily defeated both the Dolphins and your beloved Jests. Just sayin.
tebow is the worst quarterback i have ever seen
there are 15 rb's in the nfl who can play the position better then tebow
ronnie brown is a better qb then tebow
a few 4th quarter comebacks doesnt erase 70 years of football that say u cant win when u complete 44 percent of ur passes
tebow gets all the credit but the broncos defense, o line, and mcgahee are the reason there winning
Wait.......isn't THAT the same thing everyone has been saying about Sanchez and "his" playoff wins??? Sanchez gets the credit but if not for your D and running game then you'd have Sanchez of 2011, which is really bad. On par with Tebow, you saw it when they played each other. Sanchez didn't look like he belonged as an NFL starter.
sanchez has had alot of help but sanchez can win games with his arm which is something tim tebow cannot do
Mark Sanchez is the better QB.
Don't kid yourselves.
This is going to sound somewhat confusing. Hell, it's even confusing to me but here goes: Sanchez is the better qb, but Tebow is the better football player. I'm saying that Sanchez has the better arm and is more suited to play the position the way we are accustomed to seeing. With that being said, I want Tebow behind center with two minutes left and the game on the line. The kid finds a way to get it done and Sanchez has those Hennelike-Moments where he is prone to throw that bonehead pass to kill his team's hopes and dreams.
sanchez has 9 fourth quarter comebacks in his career
44 percent is pretty close to marks completion percentage.
you have a very unhealthy Jets obsession.
i would say they same for you and sanchez. my obession for the jest is not nearly as bad as yours for the dolphins. you dont see me posting all over jest boards.
You'd be laughed off the Jet boards w/ the nonsense you post.
what non-sense? i never praise the dolphins and i give the good teams in the afc (pats, steelers, ravens, etc) their due credit. the few times i have read the jest boards i laugh my *** off. they are more dillusional than any other fan base in the nfl, easily. play like a jet, lmao. you and your obsession for marks man juice is the best though.
You obviously do not watch football.
no i usually watch professional ice skating on sunday afternoons. which ironically is what mark sanchez will be doing in a couple years. maybe you can be his "partner".
I'm sure you know more about ice skating than football.
If we are talking about the Gang Green boards, he would be banned from the site for just being a fan of a divisional opponent. I have heard of plenty of people that are members here and have gotten banned from the GG boards just because they are a Dolphins fan.
Yep, I be in that category.
Was one of the better things that has ever happened to me actually :up:
they get banned because 90 percent of them are trolls just looking for attention
No. I have no joke heard of people that join the site and the minute they are identified as a Dolphins fan, I am sure Pats and Bills fan can say the same thing, they are banned from the site. There isn't even a forum dedicated to the rest of the AFC East like there is here. All they have is a general NFL forum.
I don't know the details, we have plenty of opposing fans on there that give their opinions like I do here. The people that get banned are generally the ones that just antagonize and aren't there to discuss things.