Discussion in 'Beasts of the AFC East' started by FinfanInBuffalo, Dec 2, 2012.
The only question is what took so long.
Looking forward to all the insanity this causes. Should be damn amusing. Best part was he wasnt pulled for Tebow(who yes, was injured). People are going to be all over the place about what to do for the rest of the season.
Sanchez also was lucky. Zona should of had a pick 6 against him too
I think they have to start McElroy and let him play out the season. Mark is clearly not the answer and Tebow cannot be successful long term in the NFL (IMO). Let McElroy play and see what he's got.
Is Sanchez done as the NY Jets starting QB?
I hope not personally :chuckle:
Can't wait till the Spin Master puts his two cents in on this. Speaking of garbage. Anyone check Gang Green to see what type of response the benching made over there?
theyre mostly ecstatic and rightly so
Apparently the roar and general feeling of excitement from home fans when the switch was made were huge.
Let me guess, there's going to be talk that the Jets are still in the playoff hunt? Junc's already said as much b/c they play a "soft" schedule the rest of the year. Look out AFC!
Let #14 start the rest of the season, Sanchez is horrible!
and yet we are in 2nd place!
Mark deserved to be benched, we'll see how he responds but not to make excuses. I had the opportunity to sit dead center behind the EZ so I could see the development of every play, our receivers suck. There's just nowhere to throw the football. That doesn't absolve his poor play but he is in an impossible spot.
It's taken you what, 2 years to finally realise this?
You said "not to make excuses" .... but then you went and made excuses:
Sanchez is just not a good quarterback. He sucked even when he had Santonio to throw to. So, do you ...
1. Think Sanchez is done in NY?
and, if yes,
2. Whats your answer at QB?
If I were a Jets fan I'd be more than slightly pissed after you guys gave Sanchez that contract :lol:
he didn't deserve to be benchec before yesterday.
I don't want to make excuses and ultimately he is judged on his performance regardless of circumstances but he doesn't have much help.
So are you going to answer the questions? Do you think Mark Sanchez is done as the starting QB of the New York Jets? Or is it too painful for you to admit, a bit like it is for Rex Ryan? :lol:
was I asked thre question?
No I don't think he is done, I expect him to start next week or soon after.
Oh please!!! Tom Brady won a Super Bowl with David Patten, Troy Brown, J. Wiggins and Atone Smith for Offensive Talent!!! Not only that but he got to within 1 score of going to another super Bowl with Rasheed "frigin" Caldwell as his leading WR. Great players and really good players aren't measured by when things are going 100% their way, they are measured by how they perform in the worst of situations. Anyone that isn't green glass wearing, green kool aid drinking homer can see that the Taco is garbage. Even when he had a great defense around him, and better offense weapons he was never anything better than below average. It is what it is, David Carr II.
he's not Tom Brady, Brady is a once in a generation type QB thouhg I might add Sanchez outplayed him in Foxboro in the biggest game they ever played against each other.
this week. nobody can deny that with all the hype and $$$ the jest have spent, they are a huge dissappointment. they are not making the playoffs this year. going into next season you have cap problems, a qb issue and, an offensive coordinator that isnt capable, and head coacing questions. i would much rather be a pats, bills or dolphins fan heading into next season, i dont think anyone (except you) would dispute that.
No shat, but the point remains, good players step up, to one degree or another. Taco not on any part of the scale a good player, he's done, it is what it is, the Jets can try drafting another one next year.
most people did not expect the Jets to make the playoffs this year plus we lost our best O and D players and yet we still are the #2 team in the div(as of today) and have a remote chance at the playoffs.
what $$ have we spent? our biggest move this offseason was Tim Tebow.
he's played terrible football this year.
we are all tied for last.
based on tiebreakers we are in 2nd. That can change w/ 4 games remaining but if we won out there's no what anyone could overtake us for 2nd.
Unless Whisenhunt was assured by the Bidwells that he'd be back so long as he "plays for a high draft" at this point, hell, there was absolutely no reason to leave in the QB who makes Curtis Painter vs the 09 jest and '11 league look like Peyton when you've got Skinner on the bench. Henne under center would have delivered AZ a victory; Moore under center for the Cardinals would have delivered a blow-out. Hell, maybe Painter could have even won that cluster****.
Larry Fitz has the patience of a saint; could you picture just how ballistic either Marshall or Holmes would have gone in that game?
Larry Fitz is a rare one.
we got lucky, again you guys had your soft sched earlier, we have it now. we all play similar scheds so no whining like always if we finish ahead.
soft shmoft, you still would have lost with Kolb starting... and likely Skinner too. You faced a guy who couldn't start today for the top 20 Division 1 teams and a coach who either has a tanking agenda or is looking to get fired by leaving Curtis Painter 2.0 in. That's not scheduling, that's stepping in *** in a game that was embarrassing to both franchises and the league in general..
Arizona averaged a little over one yard per play passing the ball yesterday. That is not a typo. There isnt a team in football that wouldnt beat the Cardinals with that joke of a QB they have now. He is literally the worst QB I have seen in my life in the NFL and that includes John Beck.
Both teams should be ashamed to call themselves professional teams. I feel sorry for anyone that had to watch that game with no other options.
you like to deal in the "could have" and would have's".
I have been to over 200 Jet games including the dark years in the 90s and this may have been the worst game I have ever been to, I would say it's right up there w/:
1991: 6-3 loss vs. NE(thankfully you guy lost to SD which set up our win and in game at Miami the next week)
1993: 9-6 loss to Indy
1995: 12-0 loss to NO
2000: 10-7 loss to Det
2001: loss to Buf 14-9
2007: 13-10 win vs. KC(OT)
2010: 10-6 loss to Mia
There have been worse Jet games, worse losses but a game wher both teams(specifically the O's) were as bad as yesterday I have rarely seen.
I think this Sunday's Jets game replaced the Steelers game from our 1-15 season in 07 (I believe it was a Monday night game) as the worst showing of offensive football I have ever seen. At least that game had the torrential rain and mud to blame. Does anyone else remember the punt that landed like a javelin in that game? Literally didnt bounce. Just came down and stuck in the sod :lol:.
Pitt won 3-0 on a last second FG. Terrible.
2nd place. Wow. Ahead of the Bills who haven't done anything in the history of time and the Dolphins who pretty much are the Bills in terms of no success in 542424232 years (SBs not withstanding).
I wonder if (4-8) Chargers fans are on (3-9) Raiders fans message boards crowing about being in 2nd place? :lol:
The week after Sanchez is finally released by the Jets you'll be expecting home to be resigned soon.
Yes you were, read up a bit :up:
Fair enough. I think he'll be gone after this season for the Jets and his replacement ... wait for it ........ Michael Vick :up: :lol:
But it's better than finishing in last place! Nanny nanny!!!! Booooooooo
our team is awful, we lost our best O and D players, you guys were penciled into the playoffs a few weeks ago and yet we are still ahead of you.
It doesn't make me happy to be in 2nd in a bad division w/ no realistic shot at the playoffs but for all the talk you guys have done about the jets and every year how I hear Miami is so much better how come we always finish ahead?
I doubt you hear "Miami is better than the Jets" as much as you hear "The Jets are not as good as they think."
Using tiebreakers to determine second :lol:
The sad truth is the Jets will finish in second ahead of us and the debate will center on them hosting the 49ers, Texans and even the Cards who played with the only QB worse then Sanchez, while we traveled for those same games.
But two thing are certain. One is I'd much rather have the future of Miami then the clown show in NY. Also, the Henne vs Sanchez debate can be put to rest. We let a guy walk to the Jags who is better then the Jets starter.
Wonder what other second place team lost 3 games at home by over 20pts each?
but based on tiebreakers we'd be 2nd, right? which means you are behind us as usual.
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I've been here since 2004 and every year I always here "I'd much rather have the future of the Miami Dolphins" yet every year we are better.
we play similar scheds so no excuses, no matter how bad we have been we are still ahead of you guys.
Jets hold the tiebreaker to what? Lower draft picks?
That is liking bragging about beating a handicap in a foot race 50% of the time. :wheels: :lol:
This has been your Franchise's best 12 years and the Dolphins worst. You should have finished ahead of Miami 12 out of 12 times. I'm sure you have heard a bunch of ridiculous things from fans on this message board. There has not been many years in the past decade that I thought that Miami would finish ahead of the Jets or made that claim on this board. With change comes hope for the future. I have not been happy with the changes the Dolphins made in the past, but for the first time in a long time, it looks like the Dolphins are headed in the right direction. I have no idea if Philbin and Tannehill will pan out, but I like the direction we are heading in. We have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and are in a better cap situation than the Jets. I don't think any expert in his right mind would pick the Jets near future over the Dolphins. The Dolphins are in year one and have already exceeded expectations. The Jets are in year 4 and have been going backwards for 2 years now.
Rex and Sanchez have struggled to have a winning record 3 out of 4 years in the NFL. That has nothing to do with Miami being worse the last 3 years. I hope they keep it up because it won't take much improvement to move ahead.
we've been one of the best teams in the AFC the last decade or so, I think we are 4th or 5th in playoff wins. You guys don't have a playoff win in the last decade.
The dolphins have not exceeded expectations, teams go from bad to good right away. You were supposedly a playoff team after you beat us. Remember all the Tannehill vs. Luck matchups we'll see? the new Brady vs. Manning. Come on.
The 4 playoff wins in 2 years boosted the Jets in the standings, but they have not been one of the best teams in the AFC in the last decade. To me, you have to have a better winning % and actually win something tangible to have that title. NE, Pitt, Bal, and Indy are the best AFC teams from 2000 to now. All have a winning percentage above .600; won their division multiple times and have actually made it to the Super Bowl. The Jets have been average these past 12 years. Prior to the 4 playoff wins in 2009/10 the Jets only had 2 playoff wins since 2000, which would tie with Tenn and Den and is behind Oak and SD. In the last 12 years, the Jets rank #8 in winning % (.515) behind NE, Pitt, Bal, Indy, Den, SD and Tenn.
To be considered one of the best, quality regular seasons are needed. The Jets would not have even made the playoffs in 09 if it was not for Indy laying down. They had a quality season in 2010, but that seems to be a fluke rather than the norm. One more season like this one and Rex, Sanchez and Tannenbaum will probably be gone and the Jets will be starting all over. Sanchez and Tannenbaum might even be gone after this year.
Most experts thought the Dolphins would win 2 to 4 games all year. Especially with a QB as inexperienced as Tannehill, I was thinking 5 or 6 wins. 5 wins with 4 games to go in the season has definitely exceeded expectations. I'm sure you heard a lot of things from fans. You can't attribute those things to me because I never thought that or said that. What I am saying now is I would rather have the Dolphins future over the Jets. Most non homers would as well.
Junc, you don't have a QB. Thats not a bright future. The book is out on ours but we have a head start. Thats a brighter future.
the 2 SBs in the last 5 years boosted the Giants from 1 more SB win than us to 4, what is your point?
we made the playoffs in '09, stop whining. If you didn't play dead teams throughout 2008 you wouldn't have made the playoffs but you did and you made it.
I only go by the experts on here and the experts here told me 9-11 wins, playoff berth and possible overtaking of the Pats.
playoff apps/wins in AFC:
NE: 9 playoff apps, 16 playoff wins, Jets 1-1 vs. them in postseason
Ind: 9 playoff apps, 9 playoff wins. Jets 2-1 vs. them in postseason
Pitt: 8 playoff apps, 12 playoff wins, Jets 0-2 vs Pitt
Bal: 7 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins, 0-0
NYJ: 6 playoff apps, 6 playoff wins
SD: 5 playoff apps, 3 playoff wins. NYJ 2-0 vs. SD
Ten: 4 playoff apps, 2 playoff wins
Den: 4 playoff apps, 2 playoff wins
Cin: 3 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins. NYJ 1-0 vs. Cin
KC: 3 playoff apps, 0 playoff wins
Oak: 2 playoff apps, 3 playoff wins. NYJ 0-2 vs. Oak
Jax: 2 playoff apps, 1 playoff win
Mia: 2 playoff apps, ZERO playoff wins
Hou: 1 playoff app, 1 playoff win
Cle: 1 playoff app, 0 playoff wins
Buf: zero playoff apps
5th in playoff apps out of 16 teams, 4th in playoff wins.
we have a QB we know we can win w/ if surrounded w/ the right cast, you have no idea about yours yet.