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  1. ChambersWI

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    As always first round for the whole NFL then 7 for Miami. Comments much appreciated. Order is based off of CBS Sports.com Quick note, until Brett Hundley and Marcus Mariota announce their intentions I am not putting them in mock drafts since no signs have come out either way. If they do enter, both are top 15 picks.

    1.Houston Texans-Teddy Bridgewater QB, Louisville Bridgewater has been my number 1 pick for awhile, and I still think he is. There is talent in Houston still but Matt Schaub's weaknesses are becoming more prominent.

    2.St. Louis Rams-Anthony Barr OLB, UCLA Boy that RG3 trade looks awesome for the Rams right now. Surprise pick? Well St Louis is getting very good production from their D-Line, and while Ja'Deveon Clowney has been considered the best prospect by a lot of people, his production and fire on the field haven't matched. Besides, Barr is pretty damn good himself. Put him next to Little Animal and Alec Oggletree and behind that DL and you've got the makings of a dominant Front 7.

    3.Jacksonville Jaguars- Zack Mettenberger QB, LSU This is a gut pick. Clowney would be tough to pass up, but I can't see the Jags going into next season with Chad Henne and Blaine Gabbert as their QBs again. Nobody has helped their stock more this year than the LSU QB who a lot of people feel could contend for the number 1 spot.

    4.Atlanta Falcons-Ja'Deveon Clowney DE, South Carolina As I mentioned earlier, Clowney has hurt his stock a bit this season showing a lack of motivation and also deciding he couldn't play in games without checking with the trainers. While he easily is one of the 2 most talented players in the draft, the motor issues will hurt him in this day and age. Still, the Falcons are desperate for a pass rush.

    5.Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Jake Matthews OT, Texas A&M Mike Glennon has surprised me by breathing some life into Tampa's offense, but he needs protection. Donald Penn's weight issues keep flaring up.

    6.Minnesota Vikings-Derrick Carr QB, Fresno State David's little brother had a prolific career at Fresno State, and almost was close to getting the team into a BCS bowl this year. Christian Ponder isn't as bad as some make him out to be, but the constant injuries make him a liability. Carr also has a stronger arm to compliment the weapons the Vikings have.

    7.Oakland Raiders-Sammy Watkins WR, Clemson Not saying that either Terrelle Pryor or Matt McGloin are good enough to be starting QBs, but the Raiders do lack quality weapons outside. Even with me having him go this high, I feel like Watkins is a bit underrated as a prospect.

    8.Cleveland Browns-Johnny Manziel QB, Texas A&M Every time the Browns looked like they were turning it around this year, they had to start Brandon Weeden and then were back to being the Browns. Lombardi reportedly LOVES Johnny Football and has sent a scout to every A&M game. If nothing else Johnny Football will bring excitement to a rather boring franchise.

    9.Buffalo Bills-Khalil Mack OLB/DE, Buffalo The best player you've never heard of. Mario Williams has had a great second year in Buffalo and Dareus/Kile Williams is a great DT pairing. This is just a case of taking the best player available while getting help.

    10.Pittsburgh Steelers-Taylor Lewan OT, Michigan Biggest need for the Steelers is OT. Team could also get an upgrade at NT over McClendon, but their OL is in worse shape than ours is.

    11.New York Jets-Mike Evans WR, Texas A&M If a Manziel, Mettenberger, or Carr were available (which could happen if Hundley or Marriotta declare) I see the Jets going QB, but if they aren't like, the case here, I see them getting weapons on offense. Whether Rex is back or not I think the Jets try to find a way to keep Morningwig as OC and Evans has WCO experience.

    12.San Diego Chargers-Justin Gilbert CB, Oklahoma State Gilbert has been the best CB in the country this season. Derrick Cox has been a major disappointment for San Diego having been benched several times this season for poor play.

    13.Tennessee Titans-Ra'Shede Hageman DT, Minnesota Jake Locker took huge steps forward this year before his injury, and Kendall Wright is emerging as a number 1 WR. DT is kind of a weakness for the Titans, but Hageman is also arguably the best player available.

    14.St. Louis Rams-Darqueze Dennard CB, Michigan State I cannot stand anything about Michigan State, but that defense is just unreal. It's time for somebody on that team to get some credit, and Dennard fits the bill. Courtland Finnegan is on IR but wasn't that good before hand and Janoris Jenkins does give up big plays.

    15.New York Giants-Louis Nix DT, Notre Dame I toyed with the idea of safety, but Stevie Brown will be back next year after tearing his ACL. The Giants are known for going best player available no matter the position, and in my opinion Nix is the BPA.

    16.Green Bay Packers- HaHa Clinton-Dix S, Alabama Packers never have been able to replace Nick Collins. Don't know if Clinton-Dix will be able to either, but he fills a need.

    17.Baltimore Ravens-Marquise Lee WR, USC While the Ravens' offense has improved over the last few weeks, WR is still a bit of a need. Can't see the team letting a guy like Lee fall past them.

    18.Chicago Bears-Jason Verrett CB, TCU Tim Jennings and Charles Tillman when healthy is a damn good tandem, but they are getting older. Time to start injecting some youth into that secondary.

    19.Miami Dolphins- Jace Amaro TE, Texas Tech Charles Clay has been phenomenal for us this season, but he's not a true tightend. An asset for the offense for sure either way. While OT is a need, I'm firm in my belief that we are missing a big physical factor on the offense that can win jump balls, and we also miss a seam threat at tight end. At 6'6 and running a sub 4.7 40, Amaro fits the bill. He's had a monster season for the Red Raiders and has been compared to Gronk by Big 12 coaches. Early in the season Amaro said he wasn't going to declare, but rumors have since stated that he is. Bit of a maturity issue, but the kid is real good.

    20.Detroit Lions-Allen Robinson WR, Penn State Megatron is the best WR in football, but the talent after him in the receiving game for Detroit is significant. Robinson has had 2 great years under Bill O'Brien and truly is the most underrated WR prospect in the country.

    21.Philadelphia Eagles-CJ Mosely LB, Alabama The Eagles Defense has improved during their winning streak, but their LB corp is still a little small for the 3-4 transition. Mosely at 21 is also a bit of a steal.

    22.Dallas Cowboys-Timmy Jernigan DT, Florida State Dallas got rid of Rob Ryan and replaced him with Monte Kiffin... been a bit of a mistake. Dallas's interior DL isn't very good so a player like Jernigan is a good fit.

    23.Arizona Cardinals-David Fales QB, San Jose State Carson Palmer has been pretty good this year, but he's not getting any younger. Fales has put together a great career at San Jose State, and should be able to learn behind Palmer.

    24.Cincinnati Bengals-Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon Pac-Man Jones and Terrence Newman aren't getting any younger, Dre Kirkpatrick has been a disappointment, and Leon Hall just had his 2nd torn achilles. Might be time to address the CB positon

    25.Cleveland Browns-Cyrus Kouandjio OT/OG, Alabama Joe Thomas is one of the best OTs in the NFL if not the best, but the rest of the Cleveland OL kind of struggles. Kouandjio just happens to be BPA.

    26.San Francisco 49ers-Bradley Roby CB, Ohio State Disappointing season for Roby, but still a great talent. CB has been a bit of a weakness for the 9ers.

    27.Kansas City Chiefs-Eric Ebron TE, North Carolina Chiefs' offense lacks playmakers in the passing game. The TE position has been hit with the injury bug but when healthy the only proven guy they have is Anthony Fasano (who while solid is not a threat down the field). Ebron had a very good season, but is a bit raw.

    28.Carolina Panthers-Cyril Richardson OT/OG, Baylor The fact that the Panthers are doing well on offense with a former DT starting at OG says a lot for that coaching staff. Still need to improve that OL. Richardson probably should go a bit higher.

    29.New England Patriots-Will Sutton DT, Arizona State Vince Wilfork got hurt and is getting older so they have to start looking towards the future. I still can't believe more people don't have Sutton in round 1, but I'm sticking with him for now.

    30.New Orleans Saints-Davante Adams WR, Fresno State Kenny Stills is having a decent rookie year, but Marquis Colston and Lance Moore are starting to fade a bit. While the Saints do have bigger needs, they'll always lean towards helping the offense.

    31.Denver Broncos-Vic Beasley DE, Clemson Shaun Phillips is having a nice year replacing Elvis Dummerville but he's on the wrong side of 30. Beasley should give a nice compliment to Von Miller in the future

    32.Seattle Seahawks-Antonio Richardson OT, Tennessee OL outside of Okung and Unger is just meh. Richardson is best OL available.

    Dolphins Draft:
    1.Jace Amaro TE, Texas Tech
    [video=youtube;TuS747XxHE4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuS747XxHE4[/video]

    2.James Hurt OT, North Carolina Have to address the OL at some point. Hurst makes a lot of sense for us. Here's a video of him against Clowney earlier this season.

    [video=youtube;41ow8gODsPg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41ow8gODsPg[/video]

    3.DaQuan Jones DT, Penn State One of Randy Starks or Paul Soliai will be gone if not both. I'm assuming only one will be gone so I look for a replacement early.

    [video=youtube;Zal906TKcQY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zal906TKcQY[/video]

    4.Kurtis Drummond S, Michigan State Chris Clemmons is on a one year deal, and while he has played well, I dunno if we'll give him the contract he's looking for. Even if we do bring him back, we could use a 3rd safety. Drummond was a key part in a scary Michigan State defense.

    [video=youtube;Na6kXLCOMz0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na6kXLCOMz0[/video]

    5.Dri Archer RB/WR/Return Specialist Kent State Not often a guy from Kent State gets preseason Heisman hype. Archer could go higher but his size will push him down. Basically a better version of Marcus Thigpen

    [video=youtube;hMHo1j8fDns]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMHo1j8fDns[/video]

    6.John Urchel OG, Penn State I think Nate Garner and Sam Brenner have shown enough to be given a chance to start next season if John Jerry isn't resigned. We still have Dallas Thomas too but another guard late can't hurt.

    7.Jordan Lynch QB, Northern Illinois Because why the hell not? I just got lazy here.

    [video=youtube;r2Im9ay9Ywg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Im9ay9Ywg[/video]
     
  2. silverfin

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    Not a fan of Mettenberger at #3.

    Would move Fales into the top 10.

    Nix at #15 is a steal.

    I like the idea with Amaro but I think Miami is OT all the way...
     
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    I think the Jets need to take a QB in the first round regardless of who's on the board. I'm hoping they're dumb enough to pick with Geno, but I'm not betting on it.
     
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    I would take Ebron over Amaro...I do like Hurst is the 2nd (a lot), but I get the feeling he will go at the top of the 2nd/late 1st
     
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    jets not going qb would be comedic gold...i guess i got to get a real in depth look at this amaro kid...haven't been doing much college looks this year

    off that mock if it played out that way i'd be looking real hard at cyrus koundjo cj mosley and will sutton

    marquise lee at #17 for baltimore is stealing

    koundjo is not a good move guys run blocker and gets stood up more than i like in pass pro but his feet are better than he gets credit for
     
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    I can't see Clowney falling out of the top three.
     
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    Mariotta just claimed he's coming back next year
     
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    As an ASU fan, Sutton is great, but he has a tendency to get injured, which may be due to the extra weight he put on before this season (about 40 lbs if I remember correctly). Still like him obviously. :lol:
     
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    If Gus Bradley is looking to replicate what they're doing in Seattle, I think Mettenberger is a good option. Obviously, he's not similar to Wilson, but I think he'd thrive in a run-heavy system. And like Joe Flacco, his stature and arm strength will be significant advantages late in the season.
     
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    You did your mock a day too soon, not that I thought Mettenberger was going #3 overall anyway, but his torn ACL definitely moves him down in the second round.


    You talk about Clay not being a true TE then have us take Amaro who is not a true TE. He's a big slot receiver, not a true TE or an inline blocker.
     
  11. ChambersWI

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    [video=youtube;MVOmquEcGEE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVOmquEcGEE[/video]

    Either way Amaro is a different player than Clay and would help.

    And yes the Mettenberger thing blew up in my face lol. It'll be interesting to see what happens if Brett Hundley doesn't declare (from what I've heard he's leaning towards staying in school). If he doesn't Derrick Carr, Johnny Manziel, and David Fales can all move up. So could Tajh Boyd (who I loved early, but when he's played good defenses he's struggled) or even AJ McCarron could join the conversation.
     
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    i want the 285 lb interior pass rushing wrecker will sutton not the 305 lb one who is carrying bad weight and too much for his body
     
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    It's never too early for Draft Talk. I enjoy the NFL draft almost as much as Christmas. :lol:

    We are picking 19th right now, so the guy I really like, Taylor Lewan, Michigan's LT, will probably be long gone. I think Kouandijo of Alabama could be someone that we draft. I like Jace Amaro, but Ireland doesn't seem to value Tight Ends. Maybe someday he will notice what Gronk has done for New England and decide that getting a great TE would be a good thing???

    I also think we could be drafting a DT in the first round with the uncertainty over Starks/Soliai. Minny's Ra'Sheed Hageman would be a nice pickup. Whoever our GM is after this season, he better lock up Brent Grimes. Why hasn't he been given a nice extension? Ireland is clueless.
     
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    Not sure a non-TE type would be 6-6 270. just saying what little I know.

    My buddy who comes over to watch fin games and watches alot of college ball says this guy is also very good. A DUI but that is something that can be overcome. Sarkesian saying he is good cookie and learned from mistake.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2028290/austin-seferianjenkins
     
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    Sure could use a WR. Mike Evans would make me happy.
     
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    Are you talking about Amaro or Jenkins?
     
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    God if Lee fell that far I'd be tempted to trade up a few spots to get him. That kids will be a beast in the NFL. Receiver isn't our biggest need but man he's talented. Also CJ Mosley, I don't care what contrats we just gave out. I draft for talent in the first and he's got tons. First round I feel like this every year, take the best player available except a QB if you have one. Then in the later rounds start grabbing more need type guys. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds I'd be leaning towards OL( Guard and tackle), DT, S. But in the first it would be the best player. Mosley is a beast. Lee is a beast. If they fall that far teams are getting steals. A big RB is someone else we need. Not a punt returner, a punder. Lots of big backs this year coming out that are one cut runners. I think even in the 5th and 6th rounds we could find one of them.
     
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    I would look to the 2nd RD for WR this season. I think you can get a guy who would be in the 1st RD most years.
     
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    Do whatever it takes to get Watkins.
     
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    Jace Amaro is listed at 6'5 260 but he's probably smaller. Even at that size he's still not a TE, he's a slot receiver similar to ex-Pats murderer. Even though he has the best numbers of any tight end in college he's not up for the Mackey Award (top college TE) because he lined up in the slot the majority of plays. And from watching Texas Tech over the years I'm sure the percentage is above 80.

    Seferian-Jenkins is a monster of a tight end.
     
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    I like Seferian-Jenkins as well and you could see him end up in the second round....though I will still bang the drum for Ebron.
     
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    Really like your first two picks for Miami. Jace Amaro would be a nice weapon to add for Tannehill and I think Hurst is solid.
     
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    sefarian jenkins i don't see as a possibility with dion sims here...if they like sims they won't draft someone to essentially be a primary in line tight end and take his snaps even if jenkins offers more in the passing game (which he does)

    if they do get a tight end i bet it's a red zone win option or flex guy with more upside than egnew...but i really doubt they do even that cause they can bring back keller to have our 4 tight end grouping next year dirt cheap and he can offer some of that along with clay

    i don't think tight ends getting touched this offseason
     
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    Some thing else to consider is in 2015 (I think) a guy like Funchess from Mich will come out and offer that sort of big receiving TE.
     
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    Walters latest draft has us going Lewan,Purifoy,Sutton, not terrible if you can get Sutton back in shape.
     
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    I agree, if we take a TE, which I don't think is a big need the way Clay is playing, I would take Ebron. The kid from Notre dame I think could be an option as well..
     
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    I dunno about going TE. I think we will stick it out with what we have this offseason. I could see Ireland signing Keller cheaper this offseason. There is a reason the Dolphins chose not to do an injury settlement with him this past season. I think it was a show of good faith that he comes back next year healthy. He showed a ton of chemistry with RT17 in pre-season before the injury. I know it was a bad injury, but again, you still have Clay, Sims, and gees even Egnew has had some decent plays this season.

    I think you are going to see a "plug-n-play" draft. That means, OT, OG, DT, OLB, RB. Look at our Roster. We are hurting at the "plug-n-play" positions.

    QB = Set
    RB = plug n play
    TE = I believe it will look as I stated about with Keller coming back for cheap to go along with Clay.
    OT = plug n play* Huge need for us.
    OG = plug n play* Huge need for us
    C = Set
    WR = Wallace, Hartline, Gibson, Matthews. Gibson was playing great and he'll be back from injury(another guy with great chemistry with RT17). Hartline is Hartline. I envision a better 2nd year with Wallace.

    DE = Set
    DT = Plug n Play(Odrick + either Soliai or Starks, most likely Soliai because he will come at a cheaper price. Soliai loves it here. We had some preseason depth here too.)
    MLB = Set (Depth would be nice)
    OLB = Plug n Play Misi I'm good with, aside from his injury has had a solid year but we need an upgrade for Wheeler.
    CB = Resign Grimes is a must. We've got some young guys coming up here already.
    S = Jones and I hope we resign Clemens. Clemens has had a better season than Jones.
     
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    There are two draft sites that I really like: WalterFootball, which has regular updates, and also a site called DraftTek which has a four round mock, and gets closer to a seven round mock as you get closer to the 2014 draft. I like the four players that DraftTek has the Phin's picking:


    http://www.drafttek.com/

    Round 1 (21st pick): Taylor Lewan, LOT, Michigan
    Round 2 (53rd pick): Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
    Round 3 (85th pick): Morgan Moses, ROT, Virginia
    Round 4 (117th pick): Jonathan Brown, OLB, Illinois
     
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    the way it looks we cant go wrong with just about anybody from florida state. timmy jernigan could very well be in play depending on how our DT negotiations go.

    Man, its gonna be a boring draft if two of our first three picks are a LT and a RT. haha
     
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    I would like a fast MLB type that is a play maker. He can backup Ellerbe for the first year and then takeover the following year. We have been missing a playmaker there for some time.
     
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    I want to see the rest of the season, but at this point I think I want a top O lineman to shore up the line and add depth, I want a RB who is a bruiser but can get to the next level, and I want a big WR. In a perfect world that would mean guys like Matthews or Lewan, RB like KaDeem Carey or Carlos Hyde, and WR like Mike Evans. I don't think there's any way that happens, but one of those guys and I'd be pretty satisfied already.
     
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    You will not get Mike Evans unless you're trading up for him in the first round. And Ka'Deem Carey is not a "bruiser".
     
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    give me offensive line help and a linebacker who can shed blocks and stop the run
     
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    OK, let me rephrase, a RB who is a powerful and decisive runner. Carey is certainly that. Bishop Sankey is another guy like that.
     

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