Senior DE Cornellius "Tank" Carradine torn ACL

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  1. NorFlaFin

    NorFlaFin PowerHungryMo'fo

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    Sad, sad news over at FSU football today. Senior DE Cornellius "Tank" Carradine, who was having an All-America-type season, sustained a torn ACL late in the Florida loss. He has played his last snap as a Seminole.
     
  2. SF Dolphin Fan

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    Wow. I think he had moved into the 1st round with his play this year, maybe even top 20. On the flipside, a team is going to get an absolute steal at a bargain price. Now I wonder what round he will be drafted.
     
  3. hoops

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    i don't know about 1st round talk there prior to the injury but i guess now i know why he looked so upset yesterday on the sideline...still if someone can take schofield high a couple years ago knowing he won't help them the next year i doubt carradine killed his stock...i would burn a 4th rounder on him...still

    but top 50 pick talk is likely over with...
     
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    I wouldn't mind us taking flyers on him and Jenkins in the second or third rounds. If they return to form...look out!

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    2nd or 3rd rounds? Try the 5th.
     
  6. datruth55

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    Not an "if" I would take a chance on. We're not in position to draft "if's", if this team was deeper with talent sure but not now, not with the lack of playmakers and the lack of depth all over the roster.
     
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    I definitely believe he was a 1st round pick before he hurt his knee Saturday. I still don't think he makes it out of the top half of the 3rd round.

    The upside with Carradine is tremendous. As good as he already is, he can be even better once he learns to play with better pad level instead of playing so upright all the time.

    A lot of guys rack up what I call college sacks, but they don't necessarily translate to the NFL. Clemson in particular for example, has a long line of 'em from guys like Andre Branch, Daquan Bowers, Ricky Sapp, Phillip Merling, Gaines Adams, etc. You're not going to win in the NFL consistently with pure speed or a first move like you do in college.

    Carradine gets NFL caliber sacks based on his ability to finish through incredible functional football strength in his core and upper body, and his ability to fight for hand position to disengage offensive tackles. Carradine has the ability to make an offensive tackle wrong even when he's done everything right. That's a rare quality, especially for a kid who's still playing with flawed technique.

    That's also why he leads a defense full of kids who will be playing in the NFL soon in tackles from his DE spot, which is a fairly rare accomplishment.
     
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    The thing is that both if them are absolutely play makers that could not be had outside the first round had they not have been hurt. They are absolutely worth the risk even if neither plays next year, which us very highly doubtful.

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    Tank Carradine is easily my favorite player in the 2013 Draft. I liked calling him "The Don" as in "Don Cornellius" always was ready for the kill shot. I liked the way he played his position. I was upset when the injury happened, he was a guy I was hoping Miami would draft. They still might? perhaps now getting a steal in the 4th-5th round.
     
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    hellfire, now we can take werner with our first and get carradine late? sign me up.

    I'd take a guy like carradine over a lot of the guys I have tried to pencil in the fourth or fifth round in my research. even with the injury, he'd be a steal in the 4-5 round. It's not as if it's a career ending injury.
    too bad for the guy though, he deserved to go a lot higher than he will go.
     
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    Not onboard with this...that's just my opinion. Carradine will still go in the 2nd round and we absolutely need the players in the first 3 round (all 5 of them) to be contributers next year if we want to take the next step. If we had more depth at DE I wouldn't have an issue with it but we have no depth at the spot and we have no time to wait on someone to see "if" they'll come back from injury...if they don't then you might as well have drafted Pat White cause you just threw away a 2nd round pick.
     
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    Carridine was on the rise fast, and he may very well have gone 1st round. He's cut from clay for a defensive end, and he played the part. This is devastating news for him but I'm sure he'll be no worse for the wear, in the end. Just not quite as rich.
     
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    Truthfully I was more impressed with your boy Werner in the Florida game. Carridine (or however you spell it) got shut down in that game.
     
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    Werner is the best draft eligible defensive end in the country, which is what I said way back in like June or May. I don't know about 'shut down' because I saw Carridine put on the pressure a few times, but he's been on all year and has outperformed Werner in several games. He's made the most of his opportunity and continued on from what was a fantastic showing in the spring game, which is what first had me believing Carridine might actually be a good NFL starter one day.
     
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    The thing is that there are very few bonifide pass rushing DE left in the 2nd or 3rd. You draft for upside there and no one has the upside of Jenkins or Carradine that will likely be available after the first round. That is how you accumulate play makers.
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    That might be true in other years but not this year. This draft is deep at DE.
     
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    Either way, I want a beast pass rush like the NYG! We definitely agree that the Fins need to hit on all five of our first picks.

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    Can you imagine adding Werner and Carradine? We could move Wake back to linebacker, or move him around to create the best mismatch.
     
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    We could very feasibly add all three beasts from FSU...Werner, Carradine, and Jenkins. D-line would be set for a while.

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    I think we should look at creating the Giants defense and the Packers offense. We have a ways to go obviously (on both sides of the ball), but this is a draft where you could get rich with some really talented defense ends. As much as I know we need to hit on our 5 early picks, I'd pounce on Carradine in the 3rd if he makes it that far.
     
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    i think what slimm said is right...carradine plays too upright a lot and loses leverage battles...he got moved off the ball a lot against florida in what i saw...but with better technique that upside is tremendous...i think after watching a lot of both him and woerner the upside lies with carradine...woerner strikes me as more a finished product...and i wonder if he has enough burst as a 3 down de to give you double digit sacks on a consistent basis...i think woerner looks great initially off the ball or has a plus get off but i see a tendency to lose luster as the play develops after that initial get off...and if the plays away from him that kid will straight stop trying as far as pursuit is concerned...but he's stout against the run and he's got strength in his hands...

    i don't think you'd talk me into a top 10 pick though with woerner i don't see the explosive pass rush upside and physical tools to warrant it...i think he'll be a solid pro just not sure that he'll be a high end pass rusher
     
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    The thing about Werner that intrigues me is that he hasn't played football all that long. He could have a lot of upside hidden in inexperience.

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    I agree that Carradine's ceiling looks higher. He has this amazing ability to keep blockers off him while he waits for the right moment to strike. I likened him to a mongoose in another thread and I think it's apt. In the game at the weekend, he was often right there with Werner when he made the sack or pressure. Because his technique is not predicated on brute strength so much as timing and great hands (though he clearly is very strong) he may arrive at the scene of the crime a fraction behind a guy who's bull rushing and getting headway against his blocker. Not to demean Werner, that kid is relentless, but Carradine has a different skillet that will translate very well to the NFL, IMO. I hope the ACL doesn't affect his elusiveness or burst. He's still worth pursuing, IMO.

    Theyre estimating he may be back for training camp. Hmmmm, we'll see.
     
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    Truthfully, Bjoern has been playing football since he was 13 or 14 years old. He played with a club in Berlin, beating up a bunch of players that were much older than him, and then found an offshoot NFL program that gives scholarships to kids around the globe to come to the US and play prep football when he was around 17 years old. I think it's a little bit of a myth that he's not been playing football very long because truly unless you're a quarterback then if you've been playing since you were 13 or 14 then you've been playing as long as anyone else just about. The most impressive thing about his background and "lack" of experience really is just the fact that as a 16 year old kid he went out and created his own NFL future. He did everything himself. His Berlin coach merely suggested that he should go to the states and play football, he didn't do anything for him. Bjoern went out, found the program that gives scholarships, applied himself, got in touch with prep school coaches and secured his spot in a prep school, and made sure he could pay for everything himself...and THEN he presented the idea to his parents, who were mainly concerned that they didn't have the money for all of it. He assured them he had all that taken care of and all they've had to pay I believe was for his plane ticket. Some time later, he married his high school sweetheart from Germany.

    The whole back story is the kind of thing NFL coaches and scouts eat up. He's been acting like an adult far before the time when other guys start acting like an adult (if ever).
     
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    Yes, a lot more kids than you think have played high school football in Germany before coming over the U.S. to attend college. I remember when Eric Zeier came to Georgia after playing high school football in Germany where his parents were stationed.
     
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    werner would be huge for this team. I hope the starts align just right and we have the chance to land him .
     

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