Slimm's 2018 Defensive Ends (Seniors)

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  1. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    1. Bradley Chubb / N.C. State / 6'4", 275

    2. Harold Landry / Boston College / 6'3", 250

    3. Tyquan Lewis / Ohio St. / 6'4", 266

    4. Marcus Davenport / UTSA / 6'7", 235

    5. Justin Lawler / SMU / 6'4", 264

    6. Duke Ejiofor / Wake Forest / 6'4", 270

    7. Chad Thomas / Miami / 6'5", 275

    8. Da'Shawn Hand / Alabama / 6'4", 280

    9. Lorenzo Carter / Georgia / 6'6", 242

    10. Kemoko Turay / Rutgers / 6'5", 241

    11. Jalyn Holmes / Ohio St. / 6'5", 274

    12. Marcell Frazier / Missouri / 6'4", 261

    13. Ade Aruna / Tulane / 6'6", 265

    14. Joe Ostman / C. Michigan / 6'2", 248

    15. Naashon Hughes / Texas / 6'4", 237

    16. Trevon Young / Louisville / 6'4", 254

    17. Marquis Haynes / Ole Miss / 6'3", 225

    18. Aikeem Coleman / Idaho / 6'3", 280

    19. Antonious Sims / App. St. / 6'3", 260

    20. Trent Harris / Miami / 6'2", 248

    21. Ja'Von Rolland-Jones / Arkansas St. / 6'1", 245
     
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    I think Jalyn Holmes is going to rise through this process. Players with his frame, the way he carries his weight, his movement skills at that size, and particularly his highly, highly compelling interior rush capabilities...they become coveted. When you watch him reduce the interior with Nick Bosa, who will be amazing one day, Holmes not only stands with Bosa as far as being compelling as an interior rusher on those pass downs, he probably was more compelling there than Bosa in 2016. And he was no slouch at DE, either.
     
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    I also think that one guy that's going to end up on your list and then moving up it will be Notre Dame's Andrew Trumbetti.

    I see things coming together for him this year, and when the games start, he will be productive and compelling as we go on.
     
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    Looking like another strong DE/Edge group! Rolland-Jones is my pick to be a late-season riser, but he'll have to cement it at the Combine. That said, it's hard to pick one of the eleven players you have ranked higher as someone who should move down so that he can move up.
     
  5. TedSlimmJr

    TedSlimmJr Hartselle Tigers (15-0) 5-A State Champ

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    Some of these kids like Haynes, Keshun Freeman, Rolland-Jones, etc. that line up with their hand in the dirt are going to be looked at as linebackers in the NFL. Similar to Haason Reddick.

    That moves them up simply because they won't be competing with the 6'4", 260-270 pound guys for the same positions at the next level. These kids will all eventually get broken down into two separate groups....DE's and LB's.

    That's why I don't particularly like the "DE" and "Edge" breakdown that a lot of the talking heads and analysts have started doing for some reason. You're either a defensive end or a linebacker. "Edge" serves no real purpose.
     
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    Solid point, Slimm. I think people wanted a way to differentiate Von Millers from the Thomas Davises, but Rush LB and Off LB seem to do the trick.
     
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    That's a nice spot on the rankings for UTSA DE Marcus Davenport, and he really does look and play the part.
     
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    Personally I think Marcus Davenport plays like a 1st rounder. He's the first guy I've seen that actually makes me want to compare to the NFL version of Carlos Dunlap.
     
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    Honestly I like Davenport more than I like Arden Key.
     
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    You know it's really funny you say that because I was just looking at Arden Key and thinking the exact same thing.

    Marcus Davenport is a strong Senior Bowl and validating Combine away from being in whatever 1st round conversations that Arden Key is part of, IMO.
     
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    Jeremy Smith from Tulsa looks like a potential starting 4-3 DE in the NFL. Great size, sound in responsibilities, and he uses his hands pretty well. You might remember his sack against OSU in 2016, where he showed a nice spin move to beat the RT. He only has 6 sacks on the season, but Tulsa only has 12 as a team. 1st team AAC, and I hope he gets a Shrine invite.
     
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    Let's not have any illusions about University of North Texas being full of NFL talent or anything.

    But this is a 6'7" and 255 lbs defensive end predating a 5'11" and 180 lbs quarterback who scrambled/ran the football 66 times for +304 yards and a TD (once you exclude sacks and sack losses) this year.

    Mason Fine is a slippery little bugger and believe it or not he's actually got some talent for the college game, having gone 294 of 497 for 3749 yards, 28 TDs and 13 INTs this season, while running for the aforementioned yardage on the ground.

    But Marcus Davenport made this sh-t look like an episode of Nature.



    Unless I'm way off and the guy runs like a 5.0, which I have a hard time imagining as I sit here and watch him cover Ricky Seals-Jones up the seam in man, then I don't see why Davenport is not a true blue, locked up 1st round pick.
     
  13. TedSlimmJr

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    Honestly I believe every single one of my top 12 Seniors ranked here have some 1st round abilities on the field. It's either injuries, off the field issues, or intangibles where they begin to separate.

    I feel like my top 20 are all top 150 players. Talent runs deep among this group of Senior defensive ends. Its rare for me to find consistency this far down.
     
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    In the couple of games I saw of Marcus Davenport in 2016 he seemed to need to play his way into the game, not really looking all that great early on. He'd get more assertive as the game went on and he figured out what his opponents are doing. He was like that in the Texas A&M game and again in the bowl game against New Mexico. On the plus side, the conditioning must be pretty good for him to stay even while other players start coming down a bit. On the down side, you'd like to see a guy prepared to make an immediate impact.

    That's something I appreciate as I watch him against Baylor, Texas State, and North Texas in 2017. He's showing up to those games ready to make an immediate impact, flashing that strength and explosiveness right away and making plays. He still has a knack for figuring out what opponents are doing to him and adapting as the game wears on, and by the look of things his conditioning is still really good, but he's finding ways to bring it right away in the first quarter. That might be the biggest difference in him from 2016 to 2017.
     
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    You know CK, you mentioned Dunlap as a comparison for Davenport, and I can see that. I read either a mock draft or an article on another website, can't remember which, but the author mentioned Calais Campbell as a comparison for Davenport. What are your thoughts on that? Or anyone else who wants to answer that.
     
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    Just the NFL version? He was pretty good when he wasn't getting hammered and falling asleep behind the wheel before the SEC championship game.
     
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    Not so much on Campbell. The only thing they have in common is they are both very tall.

    Randy Gregory would be a better comp.
     
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    Calais Campbell is an amazing player but he's different from a Marcus Davenport, especially now in the NFL. Calais was more similar in college, when he was played like a true pass rushing defensive end more often, and was slimmer than now. But he still was not too similar to Davenport.

    Two things point me toward comparing Davenport to Dunlap now as opposed to Dunlap back in Florida. One is the usage compares more easily, the way UTSA uses Davenport and the way the Bengals have used Dunlap. Another is that I didn't really think Dunlap had showed as much flexibility in college as I've seen him display in the pros, and I think Davenport has a lot of flexibility for a tall guy.
     
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    Getting greater appreciation for Justin Lawler as I watch him and as I watch more and more of these defensive ends. I feel like he differentiates himself because of how quick he is, how quickly he moves his feet and his playing speed. He's like this year's Trey Hendrickson.
     
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    Sherit retired a few weeks ago because of that hip injury. I knew it was bad but didn't know it was a career ender. He had late round developmental potential IMO. All the best to him.
     
  21. TedSlimmJr

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    Yeah I hated to see that, terrible break for the kid.

    Have to wait and see if K.J. Smith applies for a medical redshirt and is granted a 6th year of eligibility. If so, I look for him to be back for Baylor next year. Talent wise he ranks much higher here.
     
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